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Technology these days

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    You hear so many people mentioning how amazing technology is these days, it's almost like they think they are superior to people in the past without the latest technology. Thinking back 10 years ago it was pretty much the same, people continuously talking about the wonders of modern technology with an undercurrent of superiority. When did this start, In 1992 I vaguely remember it being similar but I was only 7 or so so can't really say.

    Was it the same in the 1950's or 15 th century for example?

    My f[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]cking christ - it's almost like technology is constantly advancing and improving.

    What an amazing observation.

    You've missed the point, how has our attitude to improving technology changed, or has it been more or less the same throughout history.

    For example old people's attitude to young people has always been the same. There are written documents of monks over a thousand years ago describing how "young people today have lost their way , they don't respect their elders the way they used to, they need to get the values we had when we were young".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    if 300mb of RAM was enough for KIT it's enough for anyone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,037 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Its ok to have a technological hard on from time to time.

    Hopefully it gets a few bytes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Well, what about the invention of new farming methods, agriculture etc? These effected everyone.
    But these methods have been slow incremental development over thousands of years. Knowledge of improved farming methods migrated across europe for example, but the fine details evolved to suit the crops / animals / climate of the area.

    Take the plough for example. This has been around in one form or another since farming began.

    The design of the plough would be handed down from blacksmith to apprentice through centuries with small changes here and there when someone had a bright idea.

    But those changes wouldn't migrate unless they were exceptional. A plough which allowed a horse to plough 5% more land per hour wouldn't be enough improvement that the blacksmith in the next village over would drop his design and learn this new one.

    With mass production, that 5% improvement becomes billboard material. Every plough made after would be based on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Thank you Al Gore

    You never became President but you did invent the internet so be proud


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    if 300mb of RAM was enough for KIT it's enough for anyone!

    Don't forget Johnny 5 had 500mb of memory too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    We are truely inventing new things at the moment.
    Do you think so?

    Name something released in the last 10 years that's really truly new. Not an incremental improvement / upgrade of something older. Something that wouldn't have been possible to build or emulate 10 years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    Technology today indeed! Sure a fax machine is nothing more than a waffle iron with a phone attached.


  • Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stephen P wrote: »
    I remember being told in college in 1999 that a 3GB hard disk is loads and I think RAM was 32MB.

    I remember my first PC had like a 200mb HDD, i was like yeeeeharrrrrr
    :pac:
    When zip drives came along, it was like revolution :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Name something released in the last 10 years that's really truly new.

    I'm having difficulty thinking of any invention that has not been a development of previous ideas.

    Radio transmission.

    Nuclear power.

    Jet engine? (suck, squeeze, bang, blow only in a rotary way?)

    TV pictures? (development of radio?)

    Difficult question.


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  • Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gurgle wrote: »
    Do you think so?

    Name something released in the last 10 years that's really truly new. Not an incremental improvement / upgrade of something older. Something that wouldn't have been possible to build or emulate 10 years ago.

    Xbox Kinect.:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    I'm having difficulty thinking of any invention that has not been a development of previous ideas.

    Radio transmission.

    Nuclear power.

    Jet engine? (suck, squeeze, bang, blow only in a rotary way?)

    TV pictures? (development of radio?)

    Difficult question.
    Difficult question even when you misread my post as 100 years :)

    I'd agree with Nuclear power, Jet Engine and TV.
    Radio goes back a bit further.

    On the 100 year list: computers, birth control pill, internet (computer networks in general), fibre optics, various plastics...

    There's loads more, but not that many really important ones.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭eth0


    Spending 600e worth of dole money on some iProduct made by slave workers in China and barely knowing how to use it / not having a clue how it works makes you a better person


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    I was trying to explain 'before the internet' to my niece and nephew and told them that the nearest thing to it was having the Encyclopaedia Britannica book collection at home or off down to the library and they were like > :eek::eek:

    I remember before we had internet but had a PC, the Encarta encyclopedia was amaaaazing. "So, you can just type something in there and it will give you information on it? Photos? Video? Mad that is".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Wetbench4


    Its said the technology advances exponentially, so the advances made over two years now, might have taking a decade 20 years ago. Thats mad when you think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Technology these days is fantastic.

    Phones are mini computers with always on access to the internet. When I was growing up there was no internet or even mobile phones, TV consisted of 2 channels (6 if you were really lucky) and getting access to **** material was nigh on impossible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    OldGoat wrote: »
    Pft, the wheel was pretty crap till the axel came along.

    Till your man came up with the grease, the axel was not much use


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    any remember that program Beyond 2000?

    I'd love to watch a few episodes now and see how right or wrong they got how would we be living


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,366 ✭✭✭bonzodog2


    davet82 wrote: »
    any remember that program Beyond 2000?

    I'd love to watch a few episodes now and see how right or wrong they got how would we be living

    Here's one from 1993


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Any tech development is amazing IMO and it started when man invented the spear.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    The next big development that I'm waiting for is some kind of small, light, long lasting battery.

    As impressive as current phones are, they don't last more than 12 hours unless you turn off all the features and don't use them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    hardCopy wrote: »
    The next big development that I'm waiting for is some kind of small, light, long lasting battery.

    As impressive as current phones are, they don't last more than 12 hours unless you turn off all the features and don't use them.

    That drives me nuts, my galaxy s2 is impressive in functionality but it absolutely plsses power, its ridicules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    hardCopy wrote: »
    The next big development that I'm waiting for is some kind of small, light, long lasting battery.
    That one happened already, in 1899 apparently :D
    The various developments since have been incremental: increased capacity, reduced memory effect.

    I expect we'll see a smartphone with a colour E-ink display and ultra smart power management on CPU activity before we get a dramatic improvement in battery performance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    A2LUE42 wrote: »
    What about the Antikythera mechanism which dates to BC. That was pretty advanced. It has taken almost a hundred years to figure out how complex it actually was.
    While very impressive it wasn't really a leap in technology. Gears were known as was the figures for lunar movements.

    We are truely inventing new things at the moment. Technology at the moment is inventing things never thought of.

    We are living in a time of massive innovation. It is also happening at amazing speed.

    That's like saying a car isn't impressive because wheels already existed.
    It was a machine that could tell you the phases of the moon. It predicted eclipses. The calculations that went into it required not just to compensate for the moons elliptical trajectory but for the wobble of that ellipse. It is a fantastically ingenious mechanism, the worlds first true computational device.
    It mapped the movement and trajectory of the five known planets.
    It did all of this in the palm of your hand before christianity existed.
    Evidence points toward the basis of the device as coming from Archimedes' workshop, which makes sense considering it is a work of genius in its own right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    I'm imagining a room full of monks working on copying manuscripts by hand in a cold monestry somewhere, when one monk bursts in "lads, we can get the F out of here, someone's finally invented a printing machine!".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Stephen P wrote: »
    I remember being told in college in 1999 that a 3GB hard disk is loads and I think RAM was 32MB.

    In 99, 10Gb HDD's were standard on all new PC's. I remember cos I bought my first PC in 2000 and it came with a 20gb HDD. And I thought that was loads.



    I'm actually rather disappointed with technology. I was on my balcony two nights ago, looking up at the moon, and I thought "There will probably not be a man on the moon in my lifetime"

    If you asked people 40 years ago if they'd thought that their children would be able to visit the moon, they'd have probably said yes.

    Science and technology has become largely introverted. I say largely because there are exceptions like the LHC. But even those exceptions aren't accessible to the average man. Technological advances are driven by consumerism. So we have PC's in our pockets, which is great. I'm now never bored when I'm taking a dump. But I still cook dinner the same way I did 20 years ago. I still mop the floor the same way. Cars are pretty much the same and so is most of my life. The only big thing to have changed in 20-30 years is the way I consume media and communicate. We have video mobile phones and that probably wasn't imagined 40 years ago. Hell, in star trek the communicators didn't even have video.

    Still, I can't help be disappointed that I'll never have a robot slave or visit the moon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭DipStick McSwindler


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Gurgle wrote: »
    But these methods have been slow incremental development over thousands of years. Knowledge of improved farming methods migrated across europe for example, but the fine details evolved to suit the crops / animals / climate of the area.

    Take the plough for example. This has been around in one form or another since farming began.

    The design of the plough would be handed down from blacksmith to apprentice through centuries with small changes here and there when someone had a bright idea.

    But those changes wouldn't migrate unless they were exceptional. A plough which allowed a horse to plough 5% more land per hour wouldn't be enough improvement that the blacksmith in the next village over would drop his design and learn this new one.

    With mass production, that 5% improvement becomes billboard material. Every plough made after would be based on it.
    This.

    Plus the pace of social and technological change over the last two centuries has been staggering, particularly in the 20th century. In a single lifetime someone could have seen the first newsreels of the Wright brothers flight and then a man walking on the moon. Someone could witness the first moving pictures and the birth of colour tv. That impacts on all our cultural references to technology. In the past when change was slow and steady there was simply less modern tech to either praise of berate.

    That said it did happen at times. I recall reading some ancient Greek dude(whose name escapes) who was complaining bitterly about the sudden fashion for fancy sun dials. Reckoned this was a lot of bollex and we would rue the day! etc. Actually timekeeping has a later example, where people were both praising the new church clocks and berating them in equal measure(using the same arguments as the Greek dude).

    The new fangled printing press also had it's share of mostly "jaysus aren't we great altogether" with fewer naysayers. Funny enough one naysayer was Leoonardo Da Vinci of all peeps. Did not trust the device one bit and you would think the concept and process would give him a raging boner. But no. Refused to have any of his stuff printed. He did do a frontispiece for a mates book, but that was as a favour(and he didn't let him forget it IIRC). It would be like a modern Leonardo refusing to go online.

    I seem to recall others in the ancient world praising modern technology. Romans and Chinese etc.

    Like everything it's not new, the main difference today is the sheer amount of it and the sheer amount of commentary on it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭aido179


    I never said technology hasn't progressed. Many people ten years ago had a similar feeling of superiority due to modern technology IMO.

    Hold on, do you mean feelings of superiority over past generations (or in fact yourself a couple years ago)? Sounds fairly normal to me. It's called progress


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    I remember the parents ordering a telephone and Telecom Éireann said it would take six weeks. That was considered fast

    Back in P & T days it could be a few months before you get a telephone

    Nowadays people complain they spent a few minutes on hold with UPC, spoilt pups :p


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