Fast Food chain under fire from same sex couples

Attabear · 02-08-2012 10:02AM

jank wrote: »

"What he has a different opinion than me?? Lets protest!!!"

But, isn't that a good thing? Aren't people allowed publicly disagree with his opinion? Since he expressed it publicly.

jaydoxx · 02-08-2012 10:02AM

jank wrote: »

I am not implying anything but it seems a bit like a good ol fashioned witch hunt to me.

"What he has a different opinion than me?? Lets protest!!!"

A mass public display of affection. Hardly comparable to a witch hunt is it?:D
Making consumers more aware of what their money funds can only be a good thing.

jank · 02-08-2012 10:05AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

One example : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association#Labeled_a_hate_group
They are entitled to have their opinion just like the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church, just expect for people to boycott and object to their opinions at the same time.

The fast food chain does in fact hold this stance.

So they are not "officaly" a hate group then. Glad you cleared it up.

What stance are you on about? That they dont serve Gay couples?

Ellis Dee · 02-08-2012 10:07AM

Well, who'd have ever thought it!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

An American right-wing religious fundamentalist homophobe in a position of power wants to force his views on everyone else.:):)

What next?

jank · 02-08-2012 10:08AM

bluewolf wrote: »

and their association with the uganda "kill the gays" bill & spreading lies

http://holybulliesandheadlessmonsters.blogspot.ie/2011/03/afa-teams-up-with-ugandan-anti-gay-bill.html

By that extension Obama is of the same ilk with his association with Rev. Wright as he was a member of a hate group, guilt by association and all that... down the rabbit hole we go:rolleyes:

jaydoxx · 02-08-2012 10:09AM

jank wrote: »

This isnt about conservative vs liberals. Its about tolerance. The man has an opinion yet he is tollerant enough to serve people who may be in a same sex marriage. The people who aren't tollerant here are those advocating boycoats and "protests". Do we have to reduce humanity and induviduals down to lemmings that must blindly follow whatever is deemed acceptable?

You cant have it both ways but many people seem to try.

How noble of him to take money from a consumer and then condemn said consumer to a life of inequality because they are gay.

hardCopy · 02-08-2012 10:09AM

Why is a fast food CEO even being asked about this?

I wonder how the owner of K-Bab K-Lub feels about Seanaid Reform

jank · 02-08-2012 10:09AM

Attabear wrote: »

But, isn't that a good thing? Aren't people allowed publicly disagree with his opinion? Since he expressed it publicly.

Do you think its OK for elected officals to tell the company that they are not welcome?

Attabear · 02-08-2012 10:16AM

jank wrote: »

Do you think its OK for elected officals to tell the company that they are not welcome?

Yes, it happens all the time.

How many times have public officials in towns all over Ireland for example objected to various business activities in their town for a myriad of reasons?

Try opening a lapdancing club in Knock!!

jank · 02-08-2012 10:23AM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Well, who'd have ever thought it!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

An American right-wing religious fundamentalist homophobe in a position of power wants to force his views on everyone else.:):)

What next?

The only one "forcing" their views on other people are elected officials who are telling a private individual that he is not welcome in setting up a business in a political jurisdiction because he as a private individual holds a differing view which ironically enough is the law of the land!!! (reminds me of the SWP here in Ireland)

They are the ones abusing their position of power. Telling others what to think or should I say the "right" way to think. That my friend is government Fascism. They have no business in this matter and the fact that this hasn't even been coped on by posters here is a real indication of the level of ignorance of the matter.

Man holds an opinion....right to protest, hate groups, KKK, money, power, he is the bad guy!
Elected offical tries ban a legal business entity because of personal opinions....not a peep!!

jaydoxx · 02-08-2012 10:24AM

jank wrote: »

Do you think its OK for elected officals to tell the company that they are not welcome?

Absolutely not. But I will say that it doesn't even register on the corrupt politician power-abuse scale. I still don't condone their behaviour though.

jank · 02-08-2012 10:26AM

Attabear wrote: »

Yes, it happens all the time.

How many times have public officials in towns all over Ireland for example objected to various business activities in their town for a myriad of reasons?

Try opening a lapdancing club in Knock!!

So you think its OK that government dictate who can and cannot set up business? OK so, then you are a Fascist.

Guy:Incognito · 02-08-2012 10:28AM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Well, who'd have ever thought it!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

An American right-wing religious fundamentalist homophobe in a position of power wants to force his views on everyone else.:):)

What next?

Who's he forcing his views on

jank · 02-08-2012 10:30AM

I am going to leave you with this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/opinion/let-chick-fil-a-fly-free.html

As a gay man, I’m disheartened by statements like Mr. Cathy’s, with their limited conception of what it means to be a family. “Family” is a treasured — I’ll say it, sacred — word in the gay community. Through decades of modern-day oppression, gay men and lesbians have created families against all odds. Love, loyalty, commitment, mutual support: these things are family. They are scarce virtues that our society should do everything in its power to foster.

But that’s my opinion. And a society that truly believes in individual freedom will respect Mr. Cathy’s right to his views. Those who disagree with him are free to boycott Chick-fil-A in protest. But if our elected officials run Chick-fil-A out of town, they are effectively voting for all of us, regardless of our respective beliefs, and eliminating our individual freedoms.

jaydoxx · 02-08-2012 10:32AM

jank wrote: »

The only one "forcing" their views on other people are elected officials who are telling a private individual that he is not welcome in setting up a business in a political jurisdiction because he as a private individual holds a differing view which ironically enough is the law of the land!!! (reminds me of the SWP here in Ireland)

They are the ones abusing their position of power. Telling others what to think or should I say the "right" way to think. That my friend is government Fascism. They have no business in this matter and the fact that this hasn't even been coped on by posters here is a real indication of the level of ignorance of the matter.

Man holds an opinion....right to protest, hate groups, KKK, money, power, he is the bad guy!
Elected offical tries ban a legal business entity because of personal opinions....not a peep!!

I think people have ignored this point because in general, people in power tend to be corrupt. And their grossly unprofessional, unconstitutional statements should not detract from the people who choose to exercise their right to protest in the correct way.

But if our elected officials run Chick-fil-A out of town, they are effectively voting for all of us, regardless of our respective beliefs, and eliminating our individual freedoms.

The running theme of this thread suggests that nobody believes this to be the right thing to do.

Attabear wrote: »

I actually said they had a right to express an opinion on it. You asked could they say the company wasn't welcome. I said they could.

Bit reactionary to call that fascism.

The thing is, those mayors spoke for everyone in their respective cities when they said that. You have to see that's wrong. For one person to speak for everyone, sounds like a dictatorship to me:\

Attabear · 02-08-2012 10:38AM

jank wrote: »

So you think its OK that government dictate who can and cannot set up business? OK so, then you are a Fascist.

I actually said they had a right to express an opinion on it. You asked could they say the company wasn't welcome. I said they could.

Bit reactionary to call that fascism.

Corkfeen · 02-08-2012 10:42AM

jank wrote: »

So you think its OK that government dictate who can and cannot set up business? OK so, then you are a Fascist.

The word fascism gets thrown around a lot. The American government is in no way close to being fascist. Firstly, i've never heard of a fascist state that were in favour of equal rights for all. :rolleyes: States are perfectly within their rights to tell companies that do fund hate groups to **** off and generally they won't be blocked as a result of the mayors opposition but if there's a large scale protest and boycotting in regards to them on the other hand that is based on public opinion. If public opinion isn't actually opposed to them, I doubt the mayor's stance will have any effect upon their ability to open.

Companies that do fund hate groups (they mightn't be hating enough for you but they still constitute hate) are always to going to result in issues. If a company that funded white supremacists or people who were opposed to inter-racial marriage attempted to base in a city, you'd see opposition once again.

And to be blatantly honest, the ability for same sex couples to marry is a human right that has been prevented for far too long. The groups opposed to it and lobbying against it are generally very nasty, they do constitute hate groups.

Attabear · 02-08-2012 10:51AM

jaydoxx wrote: »

You have to see that's wrong. For one person to speak for everyone, sounds like a dictatorship to me:\

Elected officials claim to speak for everyone or at least the majority of people all the time. That's not dictatorship.

Politicians in Ireland routinely claim that right and they justify it by saying they have a mandate.

Words like fascism and dictatorship are bandied around much too easily for my liking.

hooradiation · 02-08-2012 10:57AM

jaydoxx wrote: »

The thing is, those mayors spoke for everyone in their respective cities when they said that. You have to see that's wrong. For one person to speak for everyone, sounds like a dictatorship to me:\

You do fucking know what a representative democracy is, right?
Protip, you live in one

Sea Filly · 02-08-2012 10:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How is this news? Am I missing something?

Who cares what some business man thinks.. He's entitled to hold his own opinions.

I actually totally agree.

Attabear · 02-08-2012 11:03AM

Sea Filly wrote: »

I actually totally agree.

And others are entitled to say they disagree with those opinions.

(Sings American National Anthem, off key and with the wrong words)

Medusa22 · 02-08-2012 11:04AM

I have a girlfriend and I find this man's stance to be old fashioned and ridiculous. However, I believe that he has the right to express his own opinion but people should also be allowed to criticise him if they disagree. In any case, I'm sure that publicly announcing his stance will cause a loss of earnings and that pleases me greatly. If people want to boycott the restaurant and stage a ''kiss-in'' then they are perfectly entitled to do so. What if he had said that he doesn't agree with blacks mixing with whites but he would allow them into his restaurant? There would be outcry. I wouldn't be comfortable eating in a fast-food chain whose owner believes that I am not entitled to the same rights as others.

jaydoxx · 02-08-2012 11:05AM

Attabear wrote: »

Elected officials claim to speak for everyone or at least the majority of people all the time. That's not dictatorship.

Politicians in Ireland routinely claim that right and they justify it by saying they have a mandate.

Words like fascism and dictatorship are bandied around much too easily for my liking.

But what is the basis for their claim that Chick-Fil-A isn't welcome in their cities? Those anti-gay organisations are not illegal in any way, nor are they hateful, just very very ignorant. The conservatives who share these beliefs are free to set up business wherever they wish and are clearly as anti-gay as this guy.

If any of those mayors did anything similar to Israelis involved in the Israel Palestine conflict, it'd be a whole other level of outrage. I'm all for gay rights, as I should because I am gay but it's not right to prevent people with differing opinions to take automatic penalty to their from a city representative. If they really aren't welcome then there is nothing to fear by having them opening a new branch and subsequently closing due to lack of supposed support.

Attabear · 02-08-2012 11:08AM

Medusa22 wrote: »

I have a girlfriend and I find this man's stance to be old fashioned and ridiculous. However, I believe that he has the right to express his own opinion but people should also be allowed to criticise him if they disagree. In any case, I'm sure that publicly announcing his stance will cause a loss of earnings and that pleases me greatly. If people want to boycott the restaurant and stage a ''kiss-in'' then they are perfectly entitled to do so. What if he had said that he doesn't agree with blacks mixing with whites but he would allow them into his restaurant? There would be outcry. I wouldn't be comfortable eating in a fast-food chain whose owner believes that I am not entitled to the same rights as others.

Seems to sum things up for me. Lets all enjoy the rest of our day in peace.

I'd love some fried chicken now.

mikemac1 · 02-08-2012 11:09AM

Medusa22 wrote: »

In any case, I'm sure that publicly announcing his stance will cause a loss of earnings and that pleases me greatly. If people want to boycott the restaurant and stage a ''kiss-in'' then they are perfectly entitled to do so.

Don't be so sure

Business may go down in some places but it will rise in others

Seems to be doing well in Arkansas

Hundreds of residents in Bryan and College Station waited in line for more than an hour to get their meal in support of Cathy.

"He just had his right to voice his opinion and his values. I feel like being out here and being a part of this and showing that that's what we should all be able to do as Americans,” said Lori Novosad, a Chick-fil-A customer.

http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Chick-fil-A-GainsLoses-Customers-After-Controversial-Comment-164683176.html

Mike Huckabee (remember him) drumming up some support.

Sea Filly · 02-08-2012 11:13AM

Attabear wrote: »

And others are entitled to say they disagree with those opinions.

Of course they are.

Attabear · 02-08-2012 11:17AM

jaydoxx wrote: »

But what is the basis for their claim that Chick-Fil-A isn't welcome in their cities? Those anti-gay organisations are not illegal in any way, nor are they hateful, just very very ignorant. The conservatives who share these beliefs are free to set up business wherever they wish and are clearly as anti-gay as this guy.

If any of those mayors did anything similar to Israelis involved in the Israel Palestine conflict, it'd be a whole other level of outrage. I'm all for gay rights, as I should because I am gay but it's not right to prevent people with differing opinions to take automatic penalty to their from a city representative. If they really aren't welcome then there is nothing to fear by having them opening a new branch and subsequently closing due to lack of supposed support.

I still claim that a public representative is free to say they are not welcome in their cities and that is not an example of fascism or dictatorship.

Attabear · 02-08-2012 11:17AM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Of course they are.

Great, lets go get some chicken.

You're buying.:)

jaydoxx · 02-08-2012 11:20AM

hooradiation wrote: »

You do fucking know what a representative democracy is, right?
Protip, you live in one

Sorry I should have said they spoke for everyone where they didn't have the right to do so. Unless of course the entire City of Boston is discriminating against Christians and their business' right to freedom of beliefs and values.:p

Attabear wrote: »

I still claim that a public representative is free to say they are not welcome in their cities and that is not an example of fascism or dictatorship.

Okay so maybe it's not to that degree, but I still don't believe it was right in this case.

Corkfeen · 02-08-2012 11:22AM

Attabear wrote: »

I still claim that a public representative is free to say they are not welcome in their cities and that is not an example of fascism or dictatorship.

I'm gonna have to agree due to the fact that they're not dictators, they must get elected to office and they can't keep their position as long as they want. If they say the company is not welcome that is based on public opinion, otherwise they won't get re-elected to office. T'is as simple as that..

Fast Food chain under fire from same sex couples

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