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racist judge

  • 02-08-2012 08:12AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭


    just heard this on Morning Ireland-A judge has claimed that social welfare is a charity for Poles. Judge Mary Devins was forced to apologise but it makes you wonder if judges are subject to any kind of professional standards. If a British judge said something similar about the Irish they would be disciplined. if a lowly civil servant made the remark they would probably be suspended.


    from the Irish Times
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0802/1224321296119.html
    Judge apologises for saying social welfare a Polish charity
    A DISTRICT court judge has apologised over a remark she made in court suggesting that social welfare was a Polish charity.
    Judge Mary Devins yesterday issued a statement through the Courts Service to clarify a comment made in court in Castlebar last Friday.
    The judge made the remark while hearing the case of a trainee plumber over a public order offence in which the man had called an Irish security guard a “fat Polish f***er”.
    Enda Moylette, of Derrycoorane, Islandeady, Castlebar, had pleaded guilty when his case was heard several months previously by Judge Conal Gibbons.
    Judge Gibbons had adjourned it to a sitting on Friday last after he ordered the man to save up and pay €1,000 to a Polish charity in lieu of a conviction and a fine.
    The case returned before Judge Mary Devins last Friday.
    When the question arose at Friday’s court hearing over whether there was a Polish charity in Ireland, Judge Devins remarked: “A Polish charity? There is. It’s called the social welfare.”
    Judge Devins issued a statement yesterday after the remarks were reported in some Co Mayo newspapers.
    She said that the “recent comment in court was made in the context of – and alluding to – another recent, violent, alcohol-fuelled incident”.
    The incident had involved “several defendants of Polish origin who were all recipients of social welfare payments”, she said.
    The comment was “intended to be specific to that incident and occurrence and was never intended to offend any community, or members of any community”, she said.
    “If insult was taken from my comment I apologise for same,” she added.

    The number of Polish nationals in Ireland has grown by 94 per cent since 2006. Polish – with 119,526 speakers – was the foreign language most spoken in the home, the census found.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,160 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    it makes you wonder if judges are subject to any kind of professional standards.

    Lol, no they aren't. It's why they get away with so many disgraceful rulings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    just heard this on Morning Ireland-A judge has claimed that social welfare is a charity for Poles. Judge Mary Devins was forced to apologise but it makes you wonder if judges are subject to any kind of professional standards. If a British judge said something similar about the Irish they would be disciplined. if a lowly civil servant made the remark they would probably be suspended.

    it depends on the context it was said in....and that has not been reported.....

    if somebody gets something for nothing ...that is charity....

    just because laws are made, it does not change that fact........


    the previous british prime minister said....he wants british jobs for british workers.......no, he wasn't sacked.......at that time..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Judges are becoming the underbelly of society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    its been discussed on morning Ireland now.

    the remark sound ignorant. there are Polish charities such as the Polish chaplincy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Apologising for any offence taken is mealy-mouthed crap. It carries the implication that it was grand and it's just those touchy Poles taking offence thats caused the problem. She said something crassly bigoted and now doesn't have the basic decency to admit it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    it depends on the context it was said in....and that has not been reported.....

    if somebody gets something for nothing ...that is charity....

    just because laws are made, it does not change that fact........


    the previous british prime minister said....he wants british jobs for british workers.......no, he wasn't sacked.......at that time..

    I think it was reported - It went something like this:

    The person says "I want to make a donation to a Polish charity in Ireland"

    Next person say "there are no Polish charities in Ireland"

    Judges says "yes there is, it's called the social welfare!"

    Have to admit I would have laughed if it wasnt such a serious remark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    if a guard said that he would be disciplined.a half hearted apology would not work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭weisses


    Bloody pms


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    What an absurd punishment in the first place. So if he'd called this Irish security guard a "fat Monegasque bastard" they would have made him pay a grand to a charity in Monte Carlo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I think it was reported - It went something like this:

    The person says "I want to make a donation to a Polish charity in Ireland"

    Next person say "there are no Polish charities in Ireland"

    Judges says "yes there is, it's called the social welfare!"

    Have to admit I would have laughed if it wasnt such a serious remark.

    its not their job to make bernard manning humouristic remarks. these days only a judge would get away with saying something like that. what about the incitement to racial hatred act?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    its not their job to make bernard manning humouristic remarks. these days only a judge would get away with saying something like that. what about the incitement to racial hatred act?

    Never heard of the polish race


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    I have just told this story to four polish Lads that I work with and every one of them laughed and thought the comment by the judge was funny and they didn't think it was an offensive racist remake. I know it's only 4 guys but it makes you think that is this just another pc brigade thing to keep 'em shouting from the rooftops.
    I'm sure another judge will say something stupid soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭giles lynchwood


    She just said what a lot of people around the country are thinking. Big deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Lol, no they aren't. It's why they get away with so many disgraceful rulings.

    I'm disgusted at you , a 'Mod' , using this term ... Lol.
    Its another example of a 'Mod' getting away with things . :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Father Damo


    An apprentice who I would assume is working fcuk all at the moment getting a 1000 euro fine for drunkenly calling a bouncer fat?

    That is the real scandal here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    An apprentice who I would assume is working fcuk all at the moment getting a 1000 euro fine for drunkenly calling a bouncer fat?

    That is the real scandal here.

    He didnt get a fine, he had to make a donation to a charity instead.

    And if he can afford to get hammered and abuse people he can pay up!


  • Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,744 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    What an absurd punishment in the first place. So if he'd called this Irish security guard a "fat Monegasque bastard" they would have made him pay a grand to a charity in Monte Carlo?
    Well seeing as they are not regularly singled out and targeted for racist/xenophobic abuse in this country it might not be seen as inciting hatred. If there had been Polish people present when he had been making the comments to the security guard, things might have become very nasty.

    This Judge Devins should face punishment for her ignorant comments. We shouldn't have idiots like that in such powerful positions.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    Every single comment under the article about this in the Independent is a xenophobic get them out they're robbing us blind etc type of comment. It's just the way of the world I'm afraid. I would imagine there are as many Irish people on the scratcher or more in the UK, one pub I know of in London is full of them, haven't worked in years, and piss all their money away. But let's not tar everyone with the same brush!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    This isn't going to end well, might a well wrap it up folks.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    cournioni wrote: »
    Well seeing as they are not regularly singled out and targeted for racist/xenophobic abuse in this country it might not be seen as inciting hatred.

    It all has to start somewhere. How long can people go on slagging off the poor innocent people of Monaco before it's recognised as racial hatred?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭Marcin_diy


    Judge Mary Devins- as Polishman I ask you to pay 1000 euro to a charity, for your offensive words. This time to balance everything you can select Irish charity of your choice. And yes it can be social welfare too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    She just said what a lot of people around the country are thinking. Big deal.

    some people may think this but dare not say it as they know there would be serious consequences especially if they say it at work. the issue I have is that judges seem to be exempt from such considerations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Never heard of the polish race

    its an ethnic group in this country. there are a different race to us. more so than the travelling folk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Father Damo


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    He didnt get a fine, he had to make a donation to a charity instead.

    And if he can afford to get hammered and abuse people he can pay up!


    Trade apprentices got FA money during the boom, never mind now. If he is lucky he is working 2 or 3 days a week. A few months earnings for one drunken comment is a disgrace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    An apprentice who I would assume is working fcuk all at the moment getting a 1000 euro fine for drunkenly calling a bouncer fat?

    That is the real scandal here.

    you wonder from where the judges get the sum of money the defendant should pay? it could just have easily been a hundred euro or are there guidelines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 813 ✭✭✭working fool


    My mate Pavel calls me a fat bast##d all the time .
    He better put a few quid behind the bar for me the weekend .
    Ps he's proably right too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭cometogether


    She just said what a lot of people around the country are thinking. Big deal.

    A lot of racists perhaps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    hawkelady wrote: »
    I have just told this story to four polish Lads that I work with and every one of them laughed and thought the comment by the judge was funny and they didn't think it was an offensive racist remake. I know it's only 4 guys but it makes you think that is this just another pc brigade thing to keep 'em shouting from the rooftops.
    I'm sure another judge will say something stupid soon.

    The four lads you spoke to musn't get bothered about getting abuse from bigoted ignorant assholes.

    I have a Polish friend who gets it on a regular basis. despite being a strong person, it gets to you after a while.

    When those fools in the Irish Independent wrote the ridiculous article about the Polish lady in Donegal, my friend recieved a public bashing while working, from a fúckin nun :eek:

    When times were good, they were taking all the jobs, and when times are bad they are taking all the benefits. You can't win..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    There's a serious amount of idiots sitting behind benches in this country.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    weisses wrote: »
    Bloody pms

    mod:
    Infracted. Bans to follow for any more of this crap.


    hawkelady wrote: »
    I have just told this story to four polish Lads that I work with and every one of them laughed and thought the comment by the judge was funny and they didn't think it was an offensive racist remake. I know it's only 4 guys but it makes you think that is this just another pc brigade thing to keep 'em shouting from the rooftops.
    I'm sure another judge will say something stupid soon.

    OK.

    This is an anecdote. A little tale of 4 possibly real, possibly fictional friends.

    This has absolutely no bearing on reality or on this case.

    Furthermore you then go on to extrapolate from your charming anecdote that the fault lies with the PC brigade.

    This, in a nutshell, is why so many arguments about immigrants fall flat on their faces. There is no room for an intelligent debate to form as a result of this post. It's just a nonsense, blaming victims and appealing to rabble and creating a mystical 3rd party of easily offended people to blame for the story even existing. Of course the judge was right to make a disparaging remark about the Polish. In fact good on them. Give them more money. What a great and fantastic person they must be. Lets throw a parade in their fúcking honour.


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