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Money talks in Ireland

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  • #32
    AEDIC
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    .


  • #33
    AnonoBoy
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    The medication defence is laughable. I hope to f*ck the judge didn't factor that in when sentencing.


  • #34
    Unavailable for Comment
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Unavailable for Comment


    It is terrible that he will only be in prison for a couple of months but in all fairness, 75K is probably of more use to the victim than seeing her attacker serve at most two years in prison.

    Also as he seems to be independently wealthy there's also the option of a civil case to get even more money from him. Obviously cash can't make this ordeal go away for the victim but it can certainly serve to make her suffering more comfortable.


  • #35
    gypsy_rose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭gypsy_rose


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    The medication defence is laughable. I hope to f*ck the judge didn't factor that in when sentencing.


    I couldn't believe that when I heard it on the news, the jury must have been sickened. I can imagine him telling him friends that and them all nodding in sympathy. At least he's had to step down from his major company and hopefully noone will look at him the same way again.
    75K is probably of more use to the victim than seeing her attacker serve at most two years in prison.

    Also as he seems to be independently wealthy there's also the option of a civil case to get even more money from him. Obviously cash can't make this ordeal go away for the victim but it can certainly serve to make her suffering more comfortable.


    Gonna have to disagree with you there mate, even if it helped you get a house, I'd imagine all you could think of is "this is the house that rape built." If I was her I'd be much happier to see him locked up in the Joy with all the other scumbags for a few years, give him time to think about what he's done.


  • #36
    R0ot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    Have to say I came to this thread expecting something completely different....


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  • #37
    Guy:Incognito
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    One law for the rich, one law for the rest of us..

    Apart from all the lowlife scrotes that manages ot rack up 50 or 60 convictions and still be on the streets? Or are they rich too?


  • #38
    Carlos_Ray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Carlos_Ray


    If the judicial system continues to hand out such ludicrously lenient sentences for such depraved crimes, people will lose faith in it and start to seek their own form of justice instead.

    Its getting to the stage now that you'd be better off arranging a lynch mob than calling the police. After all if you killed a person in revenge for a crime they committed you'd almost certainly be out of prison in less than 5 years. Small price to pay for avenging a serious crime against a family member.

    The legal system really needs to get its act together in this country its farcical at this stage.


  • #39
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    has the judicial system reached a new low?
    apparently a wealthy business man tried to rape a girl but it was cough medicine that made him do it. as he is a man of wealth he could buy his way out of trouble and serve a six year sentence with five and a half months suspended.


    it was on TV3 news and RTE news this evening
    will the judge be publishing a tariff of how has to pay what for rape or attempted rape? I wonder what the fee would be if it were the judges daughter?


  • #40
    Capt'n Midnight
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    seamus wrote: »
    The money is to compensate the victim, the jail time is to punish the offender. The two should be treated as separate items and one should have no bearing on the other.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0730/lyons-jailed-for-six-months-for-sexual-assault.html
    The Rape Crisis Network of Ireland has criticised the six-month jail sentence, saying it was "very low''.

    It said the victim did not ask for compensation, she asked for justice and was not consulted as to the compensation.
    €75,000 isn't much to a millionaire.

    He is described as an owner of an aviation leasing company , there are 5 companies with that name with the same address.


  • #41
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    money talks.... and that is fact.... I wonder if i done that and did not have the 75k compensation would i have still got 6 months.

    It really is bs and i pity the victums.


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  • #42
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Like education, healthcare and pretty every other aspect of life, the rich can pay for justice too.


  • #43
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Money talks and sexual preditors get an easy life over victums....

    That 75k wont make a dint on his pocket.


  • #44
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0730/lyons-jailed-for-six-months-for-sexual-assault.html€75,000 isn't much to a millionaire.

    He is described as an owner of an aviation leasing company , there are 5 companies with that name with the same address.

    he would probably spend that amount on a long weekend.
    the sentence is handy as he will get time off work. something like a three year sentence would have been most inconvenient.

    I wonder will Joe Duffy embrace the issue?


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    I still haven't heard a reason as to why 90% of his sentence was suspended. Good behaviour? What? This guy is not someone I want walking around my neighbourhood (or anyone elses for that matter) at night.


    Where is the remorse? There just seemed to be a consultation with a solicitor during the period after the attack and then a silly "cholesterol medication" excuse.

    The attack seems somewhat planned - he knew who she was.


    Was none of this taken into account?


  • #46
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    The medication defence is laughable. I hope to f*ck the judge didn't factor that in when sentencing.


    no, he factored in the fact that the accused was man of wealth.


  • #47
    languagenerd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    Unavailable for Comment wrote: »
    It is terrible that he will only be in prison for a couple of months but in all fairness, 75K is probably of more use to the victim than seeing her attacker serve at most two years in prison.

    Also as he seems to be independently wealthy there's also the option of a civil case to get even more money from him. Obviously cash can't make this ordeal go away for the victim but it can certainly serve to make her suffering more comfortable.

    I disagree with you too. If it was me, I wouldn't want any money from him - how could you spend it, knowing where it came from and why you had it? I'd much rather say "f*ck the money" and make him serve his full sentence. It's disgusting that he will be totally free to walk the streets and live a normal life in 6 months time after he has quite possible destroyed someone else's.

    And it's not so much about the victim seeing him serve time, it's about her (and everyone else) knowing that he's locked up and not able to attack anyone again!


  • #48
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    donegal_road wrote: »
    5 years in prison @ €70k per year = €350,000 cost to the taxpayer. Maybe the judge is looking at it like that

    people who are less wealthy should pay half that sum when they rape some random woman.

    this case will be forgotten about with a week.


  • #49
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    imagine living next door to someone like Anthony Lyons? Griffith Avenue is supposed to be a respectable place.


  • #50
    lazygal
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    Fuinseog wrote: »
    imagine living next door to someone like Anthony Lyons? Griffith Avenue is supposed to be a respectable place.

    Rapists can be just as 'respectable' as ordinary people. They don't wear a sign or have an identifier on them.


  • #51
    i71jskz5xu42pb
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    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Further suggestions are he knows people who somehow got the judge to give him a lesser sentence.

    Further suggestions are that the moon is made of green cheese.

    Is there any basis to any of these suggestions?


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  • #52
    SocSocPol
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    Fuinseog wrote: »
    imagine living next door to someone like Anthony Lyons? Griffith Avenue is supposed to be a respectable place.
    How much does any of us know about our neighbours?
    New neighbour could be a saint or could be a multiple rapist, murderer etc...
    Griffith Ave is respectaable , Lyons on the other hand is lowlife with a big wallet!


  • #53
    token101
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    Contrasted with the fact that another man (who had pleaded guilty fairly early on) got 3 years last week for filing fraudulent tax returns, this is a joke. People will say there shouldnt be a comparison between cases, but how can anyone not compare? It's a ****ing sick joke.


  • #54
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Carlos_Ray wrote: »
    After all if you killed a person in revenge for a crime they committed you'd almost certainly be out of prison in less than 5 years. Small price to pay for avenging a serious crime against a family member.
    Do it with a car and you'd be out even sooner.


  • #55
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    imagine living next door to someone like Anthony Lyons? Griffith Avenue is supposed to be a respectable place.
    Or living next door to many of the non-wealthy scumbags who also get insanely lenient sentences. Wealth has nothing to do with this. It's the p*ss poor sentencing structure employed by an archaic judicial system.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
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    SocSocPol wrote: »
    How much does any of us know about our neighbours?
    New neighbour could be a saint or could be a multiple rapist, murderer etc...
    Griffith Ave is respectaable , Lyons on the other hand is lowlife with a big wallet!

    The problem being, we KNOW he's a dodgy bastard now, and the law is supposed to look after that.


  • #57
    candy-gal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭candy-gal1


    Heard this today, fcuking ridiculous imho, not just for the whole getting his sentence down to nothing in fairness, but him saying "oh im on new cholesterol meds and i just got a unreprehendable urge etc etc" WTF
    :rolleyes:


  • #58
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    It's clear from this verdict today that not all people are treated equally under the law in this country, especially if it's somebody who's considered middle class and "respectable".
    Take the Eamon Lillis case, for example. He killed his wife, he took the calculating step of making it look like a burglary and then tried to accuse a completely innocent man of the killing. For all this he gets a sentence of 6 years and 11 months, meaning he'll be out in about 4 or 5 years. If this had happened in Tallaght or Ballymun I doubt that he'd have gotten such a lenient sentence. Justice is supposed to be blind but it clearly isn't. Sean Quinn Jnr has been sent to the training unit of Mountjoy prsion. Heaven forbid that he'd have to slum it with the "underclasses" in the main prison. We're supposed to be living in a republic where all people are supposed to be equal but it seems that the rich are a lot more equal than others, especially when it comes to crime and "punishment".


  • #59
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53674127 And that's just one of many examples.

    As I said, it's nothing to do with money, it's to do with the system. In Ireland if you respect the system, you get f*cked by the system. If you have no respect for the system, you can get away with murder (which I'm sure there's been literal cases of).


  • #60
    gypsy_rose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭gypsy_rose


    I also can't believe that they reduced his sentence due to their belief that he will exhibit good behaviour and not be a danger to the public, he rugby tackled her to the ground ffs!


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  • #61
    laoch na mona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    humanji wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53674127 And that's just one of many examples.

    As I said, it's nothing to do with money, it's to do with the system. In Ireland if you respect the system, you get f*cked by the system. If you have no respect for the system, you can get away with murder (which I'm sure there's been literal cases of).

    sean quinn begs to differ


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