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Damning Indictment of Ireland's Attitude Towards Alcohol

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  • #32
    mackg
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I don't think you were in town and I think your friend is imaginary.

    If your imaginary friend is taking the piss you know you have problems.
    Its a little dramatic, but this country has a serious issue with its attitude towards alcohol and its consumption, as can be seen even from some of the posts on this thread...

    Point is if you're looking for a "damning indictment of our attitude to drinking" you could have picked a more damning example as opposed to a fairly innocuous exchange between you and your friend eg. the amount of pissed mofo's in every A&E in the country on an average Saturday night.


  • #33
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »
    ... I think what I'm getting at, is the people in this country are so obsessed with alcohol, they will only drink to get drunk and taste isn't important where as my approach is, to drink something that I enjoy the taste of ...
    I think you mean that some people in this country are obsessed with alcohol, either with consuming it or condemning people who drink outright. My own position is I wouldn't begrudge anyone the right to a few drinks if that's their inclination, but there is a group in Irish society, I'd estimate 5% of the drinking population, who unfortunately seem to have a damaging relationship with alcoholl. Maybe your friend is one of them. If it makes you that upset, change your friends.

    BTW, your tipple of choice is not alcohol-free; it contains between 0.4% & 0.5% abv, just so you're aware if you get breathalysed


  • #34
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    I'd say the real issue here is your attitude to your mates. If you want to drink p1ss, go ahead and sup it up. I drink precisely whatever I want to, nobodys calling me gay or forcing beer down my neck. If I want alcohol, I'll have it, if I don't, I don't and nobody will pass any remarks. Get over yourself.


  • #35
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Drugs are bad mkaaaay.


  • #36
    Scioch
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    Pottler wrote: »
    I'd say the real issue here is your attitude to your mates. If you want to drink p1ss, go ahead and sup it up. I drink precisely whatever I want to, nobodys calling me gay or forcing beer down my neck. If I want alcohol, I'll have it, if I don't, I don't and nobody will pass any remarks. Get over yourself.

    Who are you talking to ?


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  • #37
    A_Sober_Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    mathepac wrote: »

    BTW, your tipple of choice is not alcohol-free; it contains between 0.4% & 0.5% abv, just so you're aware if you get breathalysed

    Yeah I know mate, I don't drive and I tend to have only 1 or 2 over the course of a night out.


  • #38
    NegativeCreep
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    A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »
    Erdinger and Paulaner are both delicious beers, I'm not talking about that muck Budweiser or Heineken

    Oh sorry I didn't see that in your OP.
    -

    All I ever see is people giving out about people getting drunk here on boards. Is it really that terrible? I've been in some awful states in my (short) time as a drinker and I haven't damaged myself or anyone else so far. There are very few people who end up in A&E because of alcohol in my experience. Those who do give everyone else a bad name. I enjoy being drunk immensely and yes I do need it for social situations, I'm not afraid to admit that. Alcohol makes things easier and less awkward on a night out. That's just my opinion but I really don't think our relationship with alcohol is that bad tbh :L


  • #39
    woodoo
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    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    You were stupid if it's the same price as the alcoholic version.

    Should have gotten water, TBH.

    Why should he have gotten water :eek: he has already said he likes the taste of it.


  • #40
    A_Sober_Paddy
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    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Oh sorry I didn't see that in your OP.
    -

    All I ever see is people giving out about people getting drunk here on boards. Is it really that terrible? I've been in some awful states in my (short) time as a drinker and I haven't damaged myself or anyone else so far. There are very few people who end up in A&E because of alcohol in my experience. Those who do give everyone else a bad name. I enjoy being drunk immensely and yes I do need it for social situations, I'm not afraid to admit that. Alcohol makes things easier and less awkward on a night out. That's just my opinion but I really don't think our relationship with alcohol is that bad tbh :L

    Go to Bondi Junction on a friday night, all day Saturday & Sunday and you'll see the Irish in Oz making a holy show of themselves.

    Also in any nightclub on a Saturday night in this country your'll see pretty much the same thing


  • #41
    woodoo
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    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Who are you talking to ?

    don't be getting aggressive now lay of the kaliber.


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  • #42
    LETHAL LADY
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    OP are you teetotal?


  • #43
    A_Sober_Paddy
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    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    OP are you teetotal?

    No mate I'm not, why do you ask?


  • #44
    Happyman42
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    A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »
    No it was alcohol free of that I'm certain...

    Its a little dramatic, but this country has a serious issue with its attitude towards alcohol and its consumption, as can be seen even from some of the posts on this thread...

    If there is anything worse than listening to a load of drunken yobs, it's listening to hysteria about the 'end of society' from somebody listening to the same yobs.
    Somebody can't see the point of paying for fake alcohol....get over it, the world isn't gonna end.

    BTW I have tried non alcoholic beers because I drink for the taste and they are piss poor imitations. I'd rather drink water.


  • #45
    LETHAL LADY
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    A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »
    No mate I'm not, why do you ask?

    Well your username and you said that you dont like the way you behave with alcohol.


  • #46
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    Who are you talking to ?
    Mary Robinson. Who da fuc do you think I'm talking to?? The OP maybe??


  • #47
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Well your username and you said that you dont like the way you behave with alcohol.
    His user name is A_Sober_Paddy, ie, usually a reformed alcoholic.:) Scuses if I'm wrong Paddy, but I'm a bit sloshed at the mo, what with de drink and de saturday night and dat. Actually am as it goes, sort of crept up on me, Larry Murphy style.


  • #48
    Tombi!
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    woodoo wrote: »
    Why should he have gotten water :eek: he has already said he likes the taste of it.

    OP should have gotten it because the price of a pint is usually really high.

    If he likes non-alcoholic beer, get it in the supermarket. Water is free in pubs. a 500ml drink of alcohol is usually around at least 4 euro.


  • #49
    mathepac
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    Pottler wrote: »
    ... usually a reformed alcoholic.:) ...
    Is that a bit like a reformed cancer patient, or a reformed manic depressive, or a reformed assault victim?


  • #50
    LaVail
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    I think you're blowing this out of proportion op.


  • #51
    A_Sober_Paddy
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    If there is anything worse than listening to a load of drunken yobs, it's listening to hysteria about the 'end of society' from somebody listening to the same yobs.
    Somebody can't see the point of paying for fake alcohol....get over it, the world isn't gonna end.

    BTW I have tried non alcoholic beers because I drink for the taste and they are piss poor imitations. I'd rather drink water.

    I don't think the world is going to end.

    My main issue was with my mate's reaction to me choosing an alcohol free beverage
    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    Well your username and you said that you dont like the way you behave with alcohol.
    Pottler wrote: »
    His user name is A_Sober_Paddy, ie, usually a reformed alcoholic.:) Scuses if I'm wrong Paddy, but I'm a bit sloshed at the mo, what with de drink and de saturday night and dat. Actually am as it goes, sort of crept up on me, Larry Murphy style.

    Not a reformed alcoholic(we by Irish standards I was an normal drinker) but decided to pretty much give it up. I've drank a few times since making my decision to stop. Mind you, to only have 1.

    I found that drinking was making me feel a bit depressed so since I've stopped I've been in a much better place.
    LaVail wrote: »
    I think you're blowing this out of proportion op.

    I'm not blowing it out of proportion...

    Just a few links

    http://alcoholireland.ie/2011/alcoholic-liver-disease-rates-and-deaths-almost-treble/

    http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=6248

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2012/0619/1224318189455.html

    I'm not against people drinking, but I do have a problem with people been condescending towards me for not drinking...

    Also have a problem with the lack of education young people get with regards the side effects of alcohol. Also the carry on of some people with drink in them is beyond ridiculous.


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  • #52
    Pottler
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    mathepac wrote: »
    Is that a bit like a reformed cancer patient, or a reformed manic depressive, or a reformed assault victim?
    because alcoholism is an...illness??? waytafukwillya


  • #53
    IrishAm
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    Pottler wrote: »
    because alcoholism is an...illness??? waytafukwillya

    Alcoholism is not an illness. Its a form of weakness.


  • #54
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    IrishAm wrote: »
    Alcoholism is not an illness. Its a form of weakness.

    That's daft.
    Giving up alcohol, now that's a sign of weakness. Too weak to handle booze. :pac:


  • #55
    IrishAm
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    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    That's daft.
    Giving up alcohol, now that's a sign of weakness. Too weak to handle booze. :pac:

    Depends how much you are chugging each night. If you go out and can't go home until you are smashed, you have the beginning of a problem. Which can exasperate out of control if left unchecked.

    And it will.


  • #56
    Seanchai
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    Erdinger Non-Alcoholic tastes nice - at least it's easily the nicest of the non-alcoholic beers.

    If people are against "non-alcoholic beer" they might as well be against decaffeinated coffee. It's a bit thick, given that there is much more to the taste of both beer and coffee than alcohol and caffeine.

    For that matter, try tasting pure alcohol and you'll get the idea. In fact, why are you having an "alcoholic" beer that's 95% non-alcoholic? :rolleyes:

    If anybody really thinks the point of drinking alcohol is to get drunk, rather than to help them relax, they've got problems.


  • #57
    IrishAm
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    Seanchai wrote: »
    Erdinger Non-Alcoholic tastes nice - at least it's easily the nicest of the non-alcoholic beers.

    Exactly. If you want a few tasty beers, but want to remain sober enough to drive home, quality non alcoholic beers are the way to go.
    Seanchai wrote: »
    If anybody really thinks the point of drinking alcohol is to get drunk, rather than to help them relax, they've got problems.

    Its quite easy to become a social alcoholic in Ireland and indeed, many countries, in the western world. I should know, I am one. "Ah, hes a laugh on the gargul". "Hes just having a good time".

    Once you earn your own cash, don't cause problems when you drink and pull women, you don't have a problem. Supposedly.


  • #58
    irishconvert
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    A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »
    Sorry for the long thread title firstly...

    So onto the topic at hand, Ireland and its attitude towards drink.

    I went into town today with a mate, we went to a pub and set out in the sun and we grabbed a beer each.

    I got an alcohol free beer, and my mate got an alcoholic beer. To which he turned to me and said


    I told him I bought it because I liked how it tasted and that was the most important thing to me. He rolled his eyes and said I was wasting my money on it.

    To me it was a ridiculous attitude to have. I made a choice to have a drink I enjoyed and because it was alcohol free it was stupid.

    I think what I'm getting at, is the people in this country are so obsessed with alcohol, they will only drink to get drunk and taste isn't important where as my approach is, to drink something that I enjoy the taste of...

    Sorry if I'm not getting my point across in the most coherent manner, but the more and more I think about it and more annoyed by the whole thing I am...

    P.S It was an Alcohol Free Erdinger I was drinking today

    It says more about your friend's insecurities about his drinking than the Irish people as a whole.


  • #59
    IrishAm
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    irishconvert wrote: »
    It says more about your friend's insecurities about his drinking than the Irish people as a whole.

    It was probably an oft the cuff remark. I suspect its the norm in some social circles.

    Off topic, as an Irish convert to Islam, do you still have the occasional sup?


  • #60
    irishconvert
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    IrishAm wrote: »
    It was probably an oft the cuff remark. I suspect its the norm in some social circles.

    Off topic, as an Irish convert to Islam, do you still have the occasional sup?

    Not a sup has passed my lips for 5 years! I do drink non-alcoholic lager though, still like the taste.


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  • #61
    helimachoptor
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    Something is wrong with your mate, alcohol free erdinger is minging


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