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Past King's Inns Entrance Exam Answer keys

  • 21-06-2012 11:16AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭


    Is there any way of obtaining an answer guide for the past King's Inns entrance exams?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭page1


    seb65 wrote: »
    Is there any way of obtaining an answer guide for the past King's Inns entrance exams?

    Not that I know of, unless maybe someone who did/is doing a prep course can get one from there.

    If you want to reference a paper or question I would be interested in going over it and what topics and cases are involved, maybe others would get involved too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Tom Young


    seb65 wrote: »
    Is there any way of obtaining an answer guide for the past King's Inns entrance exams?

    Really bad idea. Answering the Inns exam questions is done by following the syllabus in each subject and by knowing the law.

    Even the prep course grids and guides can only go so far. That said, practicing questions is a great idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    Tom Young wrote: »
    Really bad idea. Answering the Inns exam questions is done by following the syllabus in each subject and by knowing the law.

    Even the prep course grids and guides can only go so far. That said, practicing questions is a great idea.

    I know the law. I'm hardly looking to memorize answers if that's your interpretation of my rationale for wanting a guide. I simply want to determine what they generally look for - and if I've picked out the correct issues in their questions. The Fe1's give feedback don't they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    page1 wrote: »
    Not that I know of, unless maybe someone who did/is doing a prep course can get one from there.

    If you want to reference a paper or question I would be interested in going over it and what topics and cases are involved, maybe others would get involved too.

    Good idea. When I get home this eve I'll post a past question - I think maybe the evidence exam to start?

    I assume you are writing them in August as well then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Avatargh


    seb65 wrote: »
    I know the law. I'm hardly looking to memorize answers if that's your interpretation of my rationale for wanting a guide. I simply want to determine what they generally look for - and if I've picked out the correct issues in their questions. The Fe1's give feedback don't they?

    Fe1s do. Inns don't.

    Would be hilarious if they did, particularly given the contract exams.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Tom Young


    seb65 wrote: »
    I know the law. I'm hardly looking to memorize answers if that's your interpretation of my rationale for wanting a guide. I simply want to determine what they generally look for - and if I've picked out the correct issues in their questions. The Fe1's give feedback don't they?

    Well, going to the KI website and printing off the syllabi is a start. This is what the Criminal Syllabus suggests about the exam:

    Purpose of examination
     
    The purpose of this examination is to test the ability of candidates to apply basic legal skills to criminal law problems and issues. It is assumed that students taking this examination will already have successfully completed examinations in criminal law at university level (or equivalent), or in the King’s Inns diploma programme. Essentially, students will be required to demonstrate that they recognise the central legal issues involved in the questions set, and that they can apply the appropriate principles as set out in the leading cases and relevant statutes. While the examination is primarily a test of reasoning rather than memory, students are required to demonstrate:

    (a) the capacity to identify and analyse the salient facts of problem questions in a lawyerly fashion;
    (b) a competent knowledge of the relevant legislation and case law;
    (c) the ability to apply the relevant law to the facts of the case; and
    (d) the ability to frame their answers in logically-structured, clear and concise terms.

    Thereafter, the problem questions would of course be an excellent idea.

    Constitutional law to my mind is the most challenging, as the examiner seems to keep the topics mainstream. .....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 MaryPopins


    Hi Tom,

    As mod, I'm just wondering whether you have noticed the extreme decline in prospective students commenting on boards this year, regarding the entrance exams '12. If I'm not mistaken, this and another post (of mine, which has no replies!) are the only ones. Do you think it's that there are less people sitting them? If so, do you think this will have a knock on effect for the standard expected?

    I am trying to stay calm, although this is particularly difficult given our proximity to the exams, there's literally a day by day countdown going on in my head. I am worried that I won't be able to attain the same level of answering that I would have at undergrad, the volume over these 5 days versus what I would be used to in college is incomparable. Is the same standard (if not higher) really expected?

    If you were to advise, where do you think one should be at this point in the game. Completed revision, on to detailed learning? Half way through revision? Doing questions? I appreciate that this may be a particularly difficult question to answer. At this point any guidance would help.

    Although I've been told they mostly repeat the manuals, I am regretting not taking a prep course.

    Oh, finally (as if I haven't asked enough of you), are you aware of any prominent Constitutional judgments that one should have particular regard to in the last 6/12 months?

    Thanks in advance. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭page1


    Hi MaryPoppins, I was only thinking the same thing myself regarding the lack of a specific thread on the entrance exams compared to the last couple of years.
    Im feeling the pressure now too. At this stage I have all my notes written out twice - a comprehensive set and a more compact set. I am only starting to memorise them today. I dont think I will have time to write out answers to sample questions but I am going over past papers and writing out short notes on the topics and cases involved.
    I am under serious time constraints, I have three children under 5 so my only study time is in the morning before they wake and at night after they go to bed and all weekends.

    Look at the syllabus on the Kings Inns website for recent cases for Constitutional, there are loads on there.

    I know 2 other girls sitting them and there are feeling the pressure now, so you are not alone.
    Try not to panic, write up a timetable for revision and break it down into manageable parts. I try not to think about the volume of work covering all 5 subjects, I am just concentrating on one at a time.

    I have no idea what standard is required, the papers themselves seem quite straightforward. I have sat all the FE-1s and by comparison the questions are not as complex but they cover a wide range of topics so nothing can be left out, particularly with the compulsory first question.

    Remember the week is a test of stamina so keep focused and dont give up if you have a poor paper. I have heard stories of people dropping out as the week progresses thinking they failed a paper only to find out they actually passed it.

    Hope thats helps somewhat. Definitely for constitutional go through the syllabus on the website, it is very comprehensive and informative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    page1 wrote: »
    I am under serious time constraints, I have three children under 5 so my only study time is in the morning before they wake and at night after they go to bed and all weekends.

    Okay, I'm going to stop whining about having to study while working full-time. Three children under five - you must be exhausted!

    You're both right on the time pressure. Feeling it here too. I am definitely not giving the same amount of attention to these exams as the ones during my degree. However, it is only a revision, having already learned it all once.

    That said, I don't know how I am going to memorize all the fine details - case names and statute provisions. I am blocking a week at a time for each subject, problem is I'm memorizing it now and will have it forgotten again by the Sunday night before the exams begin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭Hippo


    seb65 wrote: »
    Okay, I'm going to stop whining about having to study while working full-time. Three children under five - you must be exhausted!

    You're both right on the time pressure. Feeling it here too. I am definitely not giving the same amount of attention to these exams as the ones during my degree. However, it is only a revision, having already learned it all once.

    That said, I don't know how I am going to memorize all the fine details - case names and statute provisions. I am blocking a week at a time for each subject, problem is I'm memorizing it now and will have it forgotten again by the Sunday night before the exams begin.

    I've been doing a subject a day allotted as per the exam timetable, followed by revision of each day's work over the weekend which has (kind of ) helped to keep things relatively fresh. Having said that, like you I feel I'm not hitting these as hard as the Dip exams, something I've put down to just running out of stamina and enthusiasm at this point. It's been a very long year from September.

    I think Tom's right, reading the syllabi and practising the questions is probably the best policy, especially without any examiner's reports to rely on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭page1


    Like Hippo, im switching subjects every couple of days to try and keep things fresh. I only had to sit 2 exams on the Dip course but I am even burnt out now I cant imagine how the rest of the Dip students are feeling having to sit 12 exams in the space of a couple of months.
    Good practice for the exit exams!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Tom Young


    Look: Let there be no panic. It's a marathon, not a sprint!

    Try sync up the days, in terms of study.

    End of the day: You'll be lawyers and will need to be capable of working under pressure.

    Answer keys can't sit exam for you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    I suggested on a thread elsewhere a while back that you should work with a reverse pyramid.

    So if there is lets say 30 days left, study the topics in the same order as the exams for:

    3 days each (15days)
    2 days each (10 days)
    1 day each (5 days)
    EXAMS.

    Thats a 30 day rundown. It gets you used to juggling the different topics and switching between them.

    Re Mary Poppins question, it's highly unlikely there will be less sitting them this year (unless they have stopped the grants for it, that would make a difference I would imagine). I think last year there was just a few active boards users who happened to be sitting them, myself included.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭seb65


    NoQuarter wrote: »
    I suggested on a thread elsewhere a while back that you should work with a reverse pyramid.

    So if there is lets say 30 days left, study the topics in the same order as the exams for:

    3 days each (15days)
    2 days each (10 days)
    1 day each (5 days)
    EXAMS.

    Thats a 30 day rundown. It gets you used to juggling the different topics and switching between them.

    Re Mary Poppins question, it's highly unlikely there will be less sitting them this year (unless they have stopped the grants for it, that would make a difference I would imagine). I think last year there was just a few active boards users who happened to be sitting them, myself included.

    That's quite helpful, thank you. Is there a reason, though, why people suggest to do the pyramid in the order the exams will be given?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,624 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    It just makes sense really! I suppose anything that can help your brain at the stage you're at now is worth it.

    Besides, not only is it allowing an equal time for each subject, its getting your brain used to switching between them at a shorter interval each time. Then you can be confident that you can switch from one topic to the next easily, get "in the mode" so to speak.

    Just remember that the day before the tort exam will be an evidence day, so youre going to have to shift your time to allow a few hours of tort before the first exam, ie, you cant be doing evidence all night the night before. Maybe finish your "1 day loop" a day earlier to allow for tort the day before the exam. Then after the tort exam you have the rest of the day to switch into the mode of whatever topic is next.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 MaryPopins


    Hi All,

    Thanks for your answers to that! I hadn't thought of the most obvious; they're just not boards users!

    Just wondering, I have some contract and criminal answers done out and a contract answer key if anyone has any answers for tort/const or other answer keys that they'd like to swap. You can just PM me. :D

    Best of luck to everyone next week anyway, hope we'll all be classmates come October! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Henry1992l


    Hi all,

    I too aim to sit the exams this coming August. I just have a quick question in relation to the additional documents we have to supply. I sent mine in nearly two weeks ago but the page (which you gain access to when you pay the deposit) is still saying io have to submit them. just wondering if this has updated for anyone yet or should I re-send my documents.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Notcaring


    Hey guys, Im sitting the exam on Aug too and as revision goes this is what Ive done and planned out; like others from this thread I have studied and revised each subjects as per the exam timetable (Mondays = Tort etc.). And each topic Ive done I would look at a question from the past papers re that topic and would try to answer them. Also I got into a habit of just reading the past papers and just quickly jotting down topics that were asked. Identifying the problems quickly will help with time-management which is crucial. I keep or atleast try, as now pressure is getting into me, doing this. I guess there will always be that 'have I studied enough?' question which with the exam coming up gets you out of focus.
    And then the plan is 14 days before the exams, Ill just stop revising and will only focus on practising questions until my pens give up on me and my hand will just write the answers for me on exam week.
    Just make sure that youve covered all the core topics per subject. Focus on question ones. And to allow yourself some rest as to not be burnt out on exam week. Been told the physical aspect of the exam is real and one of the reasons people give up so easily thinking they have failed one paper.
    We can do this guys!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 window2walls7


    Hi, I'm also doing the exams in August. I'm working off the 2015 Independent Colleges materials. I have noticed most of the topics they tipped last year came up, so I was wondering has anyone got their or any of the other preparatory courses tips for this year?? I'm thinking specifically constitutional really.

    My plan is finish the revision materials next week, have three weeks to study intensely and hope for the best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,767 ✭✭✭nuac


    Best of luck to you all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 window2walls7


    Quick question, what is the status of text messages in regards to hearsay evidence. Are the inadmissible or do they come under any exception?? Thanks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    Quick question, what is the status of text messages in regards to hearsay evidence. Are the inadmissible or do they come under any exception?? Thanks.

    They are no different to any other form of hearsay so might be admissible in some circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 folodarolo


    Basically found this thread when I was trying to find some info on one of the questions I have for an assignment that is very similar to a question that was asked in a previous King's Inn Contract Law entrance exam. (2010 - Q.2)

    Are there any websites I could find an answer to this question or similar questions to this? Any help would be appreciated. Btw I am a 2nd year Business student who has to take Law as a subject and I am struggling a bit. :/


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 18,837 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    If you want to post the question here, we might be able to give you a few pointers but won't be able to do the assignment for you, for obvious reasons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 folodarolo


    Of course, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Question is as follows:

    "Amy is a shareholder in Hi-Tech plc, a successful public limited company operating in the UK and Ireland.
    Her concern first arose at the company’s delay in convening the Annual General Meeting this year.
    Now she has heard rumours that the Deputy Financial Executive has been misappropriating large amounts of the company’s reserves over recent years.
    The Chairman of the Board of Directors is reported in the papers as saying that the matter is under investigation but he is satisfied that everything is in order.
    Advise Amy on the legal issues involved in this case."


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 18,837 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Are you sure it's contract law you're looking at? I couldn't see mention of that question in the 2010 past paper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 folodarolo


    Sorry I got confused, but this is the question I have typed out above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 folodarolo


    No help anybody...? :/


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 18,837 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    The question doesn't look like a contract law question, tbh. I think it's a company law matter. It would be helpful to know where exactly the question has come from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 folodarolo


    No it not contract law I got confused. It probably is from company law, its not stated in the question and basically we just have to answer the question for an assignment due today so any pointers would be great :)


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