Should James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Get The Death Penalty??

efb · 26-07-2012 07:58PM

Delighted to see No is winning the day here.

GunRunner · 26-07-2012 08:07PM

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

**** 'em, who cares that he's got a family. They raised a killer.

But how do you know that they did anything wrong raising him? Someone can come from a perfectly normal background and still end up as a killer.

Matt_Trakker · 26-07-2012 08:22PM

GunRunner wrote: »

But how do you know that they did anything wrong raising him?

kid with orange hair and automatic weapons walks into a cinema, kills a load of people, yea chap, they did a great job of raising him didn't they.

I presume your retort will involve something about him possibly being insane, well if his family were any use they'd have noticed he was a bit touched, as they say, and sought help. Either they did notice and did nothing or didn't notice they'd a ticking timebomb for a son. Yea, great parenting.

irishdude11 · 26-07-2012 08:30PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

My opinion is that I'm against the death penalty in all circumstances, I believe a society should avoid behaving the same way as the person who commited the crime did, I don't think that sends out a good message. Yes I'm the uber liberal here. I cannot accept a society which it says its ok to kill another human being, no matter how bad that person was. We as a society should be better than that, and of course in a lot of circumstances you run the risk of actually executing the wrong people. I wouldn't even execute Adolf Hitler, I'd have him locked up for the rest of his life instead.

So whats your opinion on mass murderers receiving capital punishment, are you for it or against it??

String em up ffs. What's is the point in wasting a fortune on locking these bastards up?

You do realise that it costs ALOT of money to keep someone incarcerated. About €77K per inmate annually here in Ireland (down from €92K - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0623/1224273110852.html

So you would spend millions per prisoner locking them up for the rest of their lives rather than spend this money on doing some good for society, a good example being saving lives in hospitals?

Sea Filly · 26-07-2012 08:35PM

Captain Darling wrote: »

No, he seems to have mental problems. I read in the papers its very likely he had a mental breakdown a few weeks prior to the killings.

I think that's likely too. He was a brilliant student yet suddenly started to struggle academically. That signifies some kind of sea change.

kumate_champ07 · 26-07-2012 08:39PM

Put him in a cell with a big screen playing 'Batman Forever' and 'Batman and Robin', forever.
but edited versions without the female characters in their tight leathers. Maybe any time theres a scene with poison Ivy it cuts to close ups of Adam Wests crotch. Also play them irregularly, some times dont play it in full, leave out the ending and then start again. In a random order.
thats my attempting to be humorus answer in an otherwise fuked up situation

gcgirl · 26-07-2012 08:49PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

I think that's likely too. He was a brilliant student yet suddenly started to struggle academically. That signifies some kind of sea change.

Yes exactly he was a brilliant student but under that he could have been stuggling for a while. I see him who is mentally ill, how the hell did he get a assault rifle I don't know, is it harder to get someone one help with mental issues or is it so easy to get weapons ? I just don't get America

gara · 26-07-2012 08:51PM

No -an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind

Sea Filly · 26-07-2012 08:55PM

buck65 wrote: »

but like Americans we will be sidetracked into his fate just like Obama and Romney hope so they don't have to face the big ****ing elephant in the room.

White elephant. The white elephant in the room.

And even then, it's used in the wrong way.

AAARRRRGGGH!

MetalDog · 26-07-2012 08:56PM

I'm not sure.
My instant reaction is yeah I'd like to see the f**ker swing from a rope or flop around like a landed fish under lethal injection. But, maybe if he was locked up with the general inmate population they'd take care of him. I wonder how many packets of cigarettes his young white ass would be worth?

Either way, I don't think his life is worth spit. The notion that all life is sacred is bollocks when it comes to people like him and Anders Breivik, Timothy McVeigh, Jeffery Dahmer and other assorted aberrations that come to mind.

He's better off dead, I just don't know if I want to see him executed by the state of Colorado with rednecks hooting triumphantly outside the jail, or would I rather learn he'd been "shanked" by another inmate.

And if that sounds cynical and nihilistic, it's because it is.

PC CDROM · 26-07-2012 08:57PM

No.

The Aliens are watching and they are waiting on a number of things.

A few are.

Us not killing each other.

Women not squeezing our newborns out of their vaginas when they could be born in sacks in special hospitals.

Think about it.

Sea Filly · 26-07-2012 09:00PM

gcgirl wrote: »

Yes exactly he was a brilliant student but under that he could have been stuggling for a while. I see him who is mentally ill, how the hell did he get a assault rifle I don't know, is it harder to get someone one help with mental issues or is it so easy to get weapons ? I just don't get America

Remember that Simpsons episode where Homer applies for a gun? His background check comes back, marking him as "Potentially Dangerous". He thinks he's screwed but the clerk says "Relax, this just limits you to three handguns or less". I know this is probably a slight exaggeration, but basically that's the Simpsons mocking some American states' lax gun laws.

EZ24GET · 26-07-2012 09:01PM

If he is deemed sane and guilty of premeditated murder, then he should be prosecuted to the fullest.
Also there are many weapons you can use besides guns, if you are bent on killing you can find a way.

B.A._Baracus · 26-07-2012 09:01PM

gara wrote: »

No -an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind

I absolutely hate that expression in response to an eye for an eye. Its a foolish, unrealistic ideal. This world can be vicious and unrelentless.

Lets take this nut job who did the shootings. A killer. A mad man. No changing him. I understand the argument of a life in prison is worse than death. I see that side. But I cant understand why people say "his death would be wrong" - tell that to the families of the victims.

A nut job like this just poses dangers to others (prison guards etc) and what if he manage to escape? even in 20 years time? then what. Kills more? you'd hear the crys out of people "why wasnt he executed!?"

an eye for eye. or better yet, how about 'what goes around comes around?"

Warper · 26-07-2012 09:03PM

What would you rather? A life in solitary confinement knowing that every fellow prisoner and screw wants you dead or a quick death?

stone roses · 26-07-2012 09:09PM

in life there are many questions and a inability to be aware of ones self but there is no fence to sit on between heaven and hell , there is a deep wide gulf , a chasm , and in that chasm is no palce for any man.. this is where holmes now resides , he is already dead!!

firefly08 · 26-07-2012 09:24PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Remember that Simpsons episode where Homer applies for a gun? His background check comes back, marking him as "Potentially Dangerous". He thinks he's screwed but the clerk says "Relax, this just limits you to three handguns or less". I know this is probably a slight exaggeration, but basically that's the Simpsons mocking some American states' lax gun laws.

Yes, very accurate. They are also yellow in colour and have only 4 fingers.

FWIW the background check normally takes around 10 minutes and has only 3 possible responses: deny, delay or proceed. He got a proceed because he had no criminal history, had not been adjudicated mentally defective, did not have any restraining orders against him, was not dishonorably discharged from the armed forces etc, was not a known drug user etc.

Oh and I voted no BTW. Glad too see No is wining. That is the trend generally in America and I believe we will see the end of the death penalty in our lifetimes. It will have no effect whatsoever on crime since they do not believe they will be caught and/or they don't care.

Ally Dick · 26-07-2012 09:28PM

No. He is clearly insane. I'll put him in a mental institution

Sea Filly · 26-07-2012 09:28PM

firefly08 wrote: »

Yes, very accurate. They are also yellow in colour and have only 4 fingers.

No shit.

firefly08 wrote: »

FWIW the background check normally takes around 10 minutes and has only 3 possible responses: deny, delay or proceed. He got a proceed because he had no criminal history, had not been adjudicated mentally defective, did not have any restraining orders against him, was not dishonorably discharged from the armed forces etc, was not a known drug user etc.

Well, that's kinda worrying, don't you think?

woodoo · 26-07-2012 09:31PM

It would be cheaper on society of we just took guys like Holmes out the back of the court room once convicted and shot them.

firefly08 · 26-07-2012 09:41PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

No shit.

Well, that's kinda worrying, don't you think?

What is worrying? That in America they don't treat people like criminals without a good reason? No I don't find that worrying in the slightest, and I live in America!

GunRunner · 26-07-2012 09:47PM

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

kid with orange hair and automatic weapons walks into a cinema, kills a load of people, yea chap, they did a great job of raising him didn't they.

I presume your retort will involve something about him possibly being insane, well if his family were any use they'd have noticed he was a bit touched, as they say, and sought help. Either they did notice and did nothing or didn't notice they'd a ticking timebomb for a son. Yea, great parenting.

You seem to be getting quite defensive. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just stating my opinion.

I don't know whether he is insane or not, but people can just crack. Someone I know shared a room with a man once who was apparently a nice, respectable person. Later on he killed his parents. Apparently he just cracked suddenly and murdered them. I'm not saying that this is what happened to James Holmes, but it could be.

Also what does having orange hair have to do with it? I often dye my hair bright colours, does that mean that I'm badly raised?

the mer · 26-07-2012 09:50PM

its simple he should have the death penalty as an american citezin i dont want my taxed dollars going towards his stay at the state penitentary he is a sick mofo who doesent deserve life anyway. america doesnt waste time or money on murders

NIMAN · 26-07-2012 09:52PM

They should get together all the family members of the dead, and do a count of YES and NO from them. After all they are affected, not jurors and judges.

I suspect that in most cases you will get a YES vote, but if so, then one of them has to press the button to do the action to kill him.

goat2 · 26-07-2012 09:54PM

i dont know if taking his life is going to be the right thing, but if it is decided that this is the case in the end, then why not hold on to those on death row and wait for someone who need an organ transplant that matches if it is a kidney. take the kidney keeping the person on death row alive until other kidney , heart, liver, lungs matches people needing these organs.

the mer · 26-07-2012 09:55PM

NIMAN wrote: »

They should get together all the family members of the dead, and do a count of YES and NO from them. After all they are affected, not jurors and judges.

I suspect that in most cases you will get a YES vote, but if so, then one of them has to press the button to do the action to kill him.

im not sure but im almost positive that its done by lethal injection more humane i think, no pain

RossieMan · 26-07-2012 10:03PM

am I the only one who thinks legally insane is a load of ****?

if you kill someone intentionally, no matter what state you're in, you deserve to be punished.

but as i've already said, the death penalty is too easy of an escape route for killers, they should pay for what they've done, and be locked in a room 23 hours a day with nothing but 4 walls to look at.

Death is easy, and instant, pain is forever, alive, which they can feel.

nothing will ever fix what he has done, families have been ruined.

its time he paid for what he's done, justice is the answer, not the death penalty.

but then again, it is America, they'll definitely go with the death penalty.

davyjose · 26-07-2012 10:09PM

Locking him up for life will cost the taxpayer money. He doesn't deserve that. Throw him in a pit and let him starve to death. I'm not going to get all faux indignant about how taking a life for a life makes us just as bad etc, etc.

He shot a 6 year old girl dead. Kill the prick.

the mer · 26-07-2012 10:12PM

davyjose wrote: »

Locking him up for life will cost the taxpayer money. He doesn't deserve that. Throw him in a pit and let him starve to death. I'm not going to get all faux indignant about how taking a life for a life makes us just as bad etc, etc.

He shot a 6 year old girl dead. Kill the prick.

right on man to hell if anyone has to pay for his ass

firefly08 · 26-07-2012 10:14PM

am I the only one who thinks legally insane is a load of ****?

Anyone who thinks the insanity defence is as easy way out should read Jon Ronson's The Psychopathy Test. It's extremely easy for them to keep you locked up for longer than you would be in prison. In prison people sometimes get parole hearings, and members of the public have a say in the decision. If you're in a mental institution, only the doctors and nurses get to decide how long you stay there.

Seriously don't worry - this guy is probably never going to be released. But this kind of behavior is fast becoming an epidemic. We can' defend ourselves against it because we don't understand it. I don't mean to sound like a hippie or anything but we have to try to understand why people do this. What motivates this behavior? It is the motivation - the will of such people to hurt that we should be afraid of.

It is the hard heart that kills!

Should James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Get The Death Penalty??

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