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What's the longest you've fasted...

  • 26-07-2012 02:53PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    ...and would you recommend it?

    My dad recently embarked on a 14 day water diet because of a condition he has. He researched it all himself, and then sought medical permission from his doctor. It was a diet of complete abstinence, with the exception of water. Neither food or liquid, other than water, passed his lips for two weeks. I thought it was daft, and was concerned about the negative health impact it might have. More importantly, I couldn't fathom going without food for a couple of hours let alone a couple of weeks!:D

    Anyway, he seemed to get through with no problems, and after undergoing blood tests, it seemed that the anticipated benefits were realised. At about the same time, I was struggling to shift some lbs. I had lost about 8lbs in three weeks of moderate dieting and exercise, but for two full weeks I had remained stubbornly at the same weight. I could deal with one week, but two weeks was taking the p*ss.

    I decided then, that I'd give the water fasting a go. I modified it somewhat to include tea and coffee, and from last Monday week at midnight I went without food. I lasted until Thursday at 6pm, which is approximately 90 hours without any food whasoever passing my lips. I ate normally that night, and on the Friday. Then, I renewed the fast for the weekend.

    I have to stress that I am quite overweight, so I wasn't endangering muscle. I also kept up with my multi-vitamin supplements. Very strangely, I didn't feel that hungry. At times I felt a little light-headed, and somewhat weak, but that was the extent of the effects.

    I weighed myself Monday morning last, and I had lost approximately half a stone. Which is pretty remarkable, I think. It's certainly not going to become a regular feature of my lifestyle (I like food far too much for that:o), but I was pleasntly surprised both by the efficacy of the method, and lack of, for want of a better word, side effects.

    I wanted to ask have other people tried this approach, either in dieting, or as part of a medical intervention? And did you think it was worth it etc?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    I always loved the idea of fasting and bingeing (in a calculated way) having an effect of leptin, glucose and the other myriad of hormones associated with appetite and food processing. Was anything like that ever proven or was it just more marketing bumpf that I inadvertently subscribed to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    14 days!! Sometimes I can't even make it through the night without waking up and having something to eat.

    I would have thought its not good for you, your body needs vitamins.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    AntiVirus wrote: »
    14 days!! Sometimes I can't even make it through the night without waking up and having something to eat.

    I would have thought its not good for you, your body needs vitamins.

    14 days is pretty impressive. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    Bad Panda wrote: »
    14 days is pretty impressive. :D

    I didn't do 14 days, maybe 14 hours when I was a student but does beer count? :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    The Guvnor wrote: »

    Interesting story there Guv, looks like you're ready for the 4 day fast now :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Deise Musashi


    70 odd hours, years ago.

    I used it as part of a cut to make weight for a fight. I used to weigh 76kg and cut to 72kg for competitions. Three days fasting got me down to 68kg @ 5' 10".

    I have started to "IF" again to lose weight. It's easier than arranging food to bring in to work, I just don't eat.
    I borrowed a glucometer and tracked my blood for about a week (damn "four hour body").
    Fasted blood sugar was 4-4.5mmol/l and after eating, it went to 6-7mmol/l.
    This testing showed that even protein shakes can take two hours to alter my blood sugar, whole foods up to four hours depending on fat content etc.

    Have a look at this though.

    http://pmj.bmj.com/content/49/569/203.abstract
    Summary
    A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision
    for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his
    normal weight. Blood glucose concentrations around
    30 mg/100 ml were recorded consistently during the
    last 8 months, although the patient was ambulant and
    attending as an out-patient. Responses to glucose and
    tolbutamide tolerance tests remained normal. The
    hyperglycaemic response to glucagon was reduced and
    latterly absent, but promptly returned to normal during
    carbohydrate refeeding. After an initial decrease was
    corrected, plasma potassium levels remained normal
    without supplementation. A temporary period of
    hypercalcaemia occurred towards the end of the fast.
    Decreased plasma magnesium concentrations were a
    consistent feature from the first month onwards. After
    100 days of fasting there was a marked and persistent
    increase in the excretion of urinary cations and
    inorganic phosphate, which until then had been minimal.
    These increases may be due to dissolution of excessive
    soft tissue and skeletal mass. Prolonged fasting in this
    patient had no ill-effects.
    However...!
    There have been reports of five fatalities coinciding
    with the treatment of obesity by total starvation
    (Cubberley, Polster & Schulman, 1965; Spencer,
    1968; Garnett et al., 1969; Runcie & Thomson,
    1970). One was attributed to lactic acidosis during
    the refeeding period following a 3 week fast (Cubberley et al., 1965). Two were considered to be due to
    ventricular failure, occurring during the fast, at 3 and
    8 weeks respectively in patients who had shown
    evidence of heart failure before beginning the fast
    (Spencer, 1968). One patient (Runcie & Thomson,
    1970) died on the thirteenth day of his fast from small
    bowel obstruction. Only one of the five 'fasting'
    deaths has been associated with a fast of more than
    200 days' duration. It occurred during the refeeding
    period after a fast of 210 days in an apparently well
    young woman (Garnett et al., 1969).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    382 days without food?? :eek:

    I thought I was extreme at 90 hours, and my dad loony at 14 days!!

    Seriously, how could anyone go without food for that long?

    The thing that surprised me about my fast was the fact that i wasn't particularly hungry during it. I relished the chance to eat again, but I didn't need to stop when i did. I could have kept going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Locust


    i did 13 days a few years back, nothing but water with a squeeze of lemon and cayenne pepper... Very good for you - as a detox, followed up by an auld 'salt water cleanse.'

    Most people on a 'western diet' have years of gunk stuck to the walls of their intestines (meant to lead to cancers/illnesses etc). Good to give you intestines a break and clean them out every once in a while. Gross but very healthy.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lost about a stone when I went a week without eating. Generally I'd go 24 hours without eating at least once a week, it doesn't help me with managing my weight at all. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Deise Musashi


    Most people on a 'western diet' have years of gunk stuck to the walls of their intestines (meant to lead to cancers/illnesses etc). Good to give you intestines a break and clean them out every once in a while. Gross but very healthy.

    I've often thought about using "Cleanprep" or "Picalax" to clean the auld gut. It's used prior to putting in a camera to check the gut, so should be every bit as efffective a colonic irrigation et al. for gut cleaning?

    Only takes spending a day on the toilet to achieve inner cleanliness ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Locust


    I've often thought about using "Cleanprep" or "Picalax" to clean the auld gut.

    Go on a fast for at least 3 days so you have empty stomach bowels. Then do a cleanse of some sort.

    To be honest the classic Salt water cleanse is probably best/cheapest - its just 1-2 table spoons of sea salt (non-iodinized) in 1.1L of water. Chug it down as best you can in one or two goes without gagging. Lie on you left side for half an hour.

    That or a pint of prune juice, down it in one go! Just make sure you have the day off and immediate access to the toilet/sh*tter

    http://themastercleanse.org/salt-water-flush/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭Wicklowrider


    Just as a matter of Interest: any of you who did fast over a few days exercise/train?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Just as a matter of Interest: any of you who did fast over a few days exercise/train?

    I started on a Monday and I went to the gym that day, and did a spinning session the following day. Unfortunately, it was my first spinning session, and I was so busted afterwards I couldn't do anything else for a few days! I didn't experience anything different whilst working out, but I imagine if I had went to the gym after the 2nd day I would have have noticed it. I was feeling somewhat lightheaded at points after the initial 48 hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    I'd say maybe 19/20 hours.

    But that was due to jetlag.

    Normall I can't go 4/5 hours without food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    Einhard wrote: »
    I have to stress that I am quite overweight, so I wasn't endangering muscle

    Where was the needed glucose coming form?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    rocky wrote: »
    Where was the needed glucose coming form?

    Eh, through osmosis. Yes. That's it. Through osmosis.

    :pac:

    I really have no idea what glucose does for the body (sugar/energy maybe?), and how it's retained/stored by the body, if at all. Surely the levels wouldn't have gotten critically low over 90 hours of fasting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    The brain needs glucose. Glucose is stored as glycogen in muscles and liver. An uneducated guess, but I'd say you definitely ran out of it in your fast. After your liver glycogen reaches a low level, the body then turns to muscle for generating glucose from protein/amino acids.

    I only did 24 hour fasts max.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rocky wrote: »
    The brain needs glucose. Glucose is stored as glycogen in muscles and liver. An uneducated guess, but I'd say you definitely ran out of it in your fast. After your liver glycogen reaches a low level, the body then turns to muscle for generating glucose from protein/amino acids.
    When the body is using fat as a main energy source it produces ketones as a by-product. These can replace glucose as the brains fuel.
    I don't think they can ever replace 100% of energy requirements, but if they are providing 90% or so it reduces the amount of muscle the body consumes via glucogenesis (spelling?).

    I've no idea how long glycogen stores would last if you are sedantry while fasting. But probably a while, it takes most of a marathon to deplete them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Stuck Cone


    40 days straight!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    Mellor wrote: »
    When the body is using fat as a main energy source it produces ketones as a by-product. These can replace glucose as the brains fuel.
    I don't think they can ever replace 100% of energy requirements, but if they are providing 90% or so it reduces the amount of muscle the body consumes via glucogenesis (spelling?).

    I've no idea how long glycogen stores would last if you are sedantry while fasting. But probably a while, it takes most of a marathon to deplete them.

    Only the liver glycogen can be used by other organs as glucose. Storage capacity for it is about 100-120g, so 500Kcals max worth of glucose.

    Says wikipedia:
    After the diet has been changed to lower blood glucose for 3 days, the brain gets 25% of its energy from ketone bodies.[4] After about 40 days, this goes up to 70% (during the initial stages the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain).

    I think there are signals that step up GNG before the liver glycogen is depleted - to keep blood sugar at a minimum level, it has to be up and running when glucose is no longer available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,378 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    For some reason I thought I read it reaches 90% after a week or two. It's been a while since I read much about it.

    I think the brain burns about 20% of energy, so that might give an idea of the max time liver glycogen could last.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Stuck Cone wrote: »
    40 days straight!

    Is that you Jesus?? :p

    Just an update: I continued my fast into last week. I ate normally on Monday, then naught but water for the following three days. Back to normal on Friday, and fasting again over the weekend. Am going to break that fast in a few minutes. I felt it more this time around than in the previous week. Again, I was rarely hungry which surprised me, but I was noticeably more light-headed. Nothing major or anything, but significant enough to notice. I'm not working over the summer, but I don't think a second week would have been wise if I were.

    Going with 2500 calories a day as a standard requirement for someone my size, I estimate that in a fortnight I'd normally require 35k calories. Over the past two weeks, I've taken in approx 10k. This time 16 days ago, I was just over 16 stone, and had been for two weeks despite a diet/gym routine. I weighed myself last Monday, and I was down to 15.7. Today I'm 15st 2lbs. Which means I've lost 12lbs in just over two weeks. Which is quite remarkable.

    I'm going back to my regular regime now, exercise and healthy diet. But I do think there's something to be said for such fasting. I realise that people have raised concerns about glucose deficicency, and of course that should be investigated. However, this course of action was approved by my GP (indirectly), so I think that llayed any major concerns that I might have had.

    And now- I'm off for brunch. nyom nyom nyom :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    For glycogen research I normally go to the Health Correlator blog

    http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/do-you-lose-muscle-if-you-lift-weights.html

    I guess that's where my idea of a max 24h fast came from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    1800 cals yesterday, 1700 day before, 20 hour fasts in between. doing the same again today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Low Energy Eng


    I've done 24hours on a number of occassions, probably could have kept goin, I'll keep me eye on this thread to find out what a healthy duration of fasting is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Reality_Check1


    I just started a 30 hour fast :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    I have lost close on a stone in a week eating 170gramms of protein a day so there are a number of ways to loose big weight, there is method in intermittent fasting but not for prolonged periods of time (14days is a lot) there are a few on here doing 18 hours on 6 off and other things like that.

    For me I would be far too grumpy, and to be honest I was pretty much doing IM at my heaviest, was eating pizza mind you but none the less I think its not for me. Best find things that are sustainable for you rather than gimmicks, only then can you keep off the weight.



  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jason Crashing Waffle


    I managed a few hours once. It was touch and go there for a while. :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭madma


    good video vitzgeme.. i actually only started IF there about 2 weeks ago and really enjoy doing it now. the first couple of times i felt a bit dizzy etc but now im grand.
    just like that guy in the video i look at sunday as good start to the week for it. i did a 20hr one no bother from last sunday i had a nice healthy sunday roast dinner around 3.30/4 and i didnt eat again until 1pm next day. ive introduced it more to my diet this week and its a good boost for me as im looking for weight-loss

    its not for everyone though but the early signs for me its working!


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