Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

lempsipmax · 26-07-2012 05:05PM

I think Henry's comments re Kenny are fine really. Kenny was a short term manager and while they had intended to find a replacement before asking him to step aside, the league results for the second half of the season meant that he had to go at the end of the season regardless.

He has not set the same target for Rodgers this season:
"We don't want to put any pressure on Brendan by saying you have got to make the Champions League this year," said Henry, who has met up with the Liverpool squad at the start of their pre-season tour of the United States. "Of course he wants to make the Champions League, we all do and so does every team in the Premier League. from here

This also seems like a reasonable approach to me, given how poor we were last season and how poorly the new signings worked out.

delw · 26-07-2012 05:06PM

Suarez getting booed at Old Trafford even in the Olympics :eek:

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:06PM

Melion wrote: »

I don't care what he did as a player.
I dont care what he did as a manager in the 80's.
I don't care what he did as blackburn manager with Walkers money.
I DON'T CARE WHAT HE DID IN THE 80'S.

The fact is he was not far off relegation form in the 2nd half of last season.
We played 5 matches to get to the fa cup final, United were the only game we did well to win and very nearly threw that away. We were lucky to beat Everton and were then schooled by Chelsea bar the final 15 minutes.
Penalties to beat Cardiff in the league cup says it all, especially when you remember that we didn't even deserve extra time.

It's time people took off the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kenny just was not able to be so involved in the game at such a high level anymore. SAF has evolved from 1986, Kenny has not.

Simple fact is that Kenny is going to get respect despite last season, and he is going to be loved in Liverpool long after he dies.

Maybe he is not able for the game at the highest level anymore, but he is no longer manager of the club and as such he is in a position again where he can be gushed over.

_blank_ · 26-07-2012 05:07PM

delw wrote: »

Suarez getting booed at Old Trafford even in the Olympics :eek:

hilarious:D

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:10PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Simple fact is that Kenny is going to get respect despite last season, and he is going to be loved in Liverpool long after he dies.

Maybe he is not able for the game at the highest level anymore, but he is no longer manager of the club and as such he is in a position again where he can be gushed over.

Gush away by all means but for people to say someone like BR replacing him is disgraceful is just not right. His one year in the premier league was better than anything Kenny managed since winning the title in 1995

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:11PM

delw wrote: »

Suarez getting booed at Old Trafford even in the Olympics :eek:

Some dedication by all those United fans. Driving up from London to boo Suarez takes commitment.......

smileyj1987 · 26-07-2012 05:12PM

Melion wrote: »

I don't care what he did as a player.
I dont care what he did as a manager in the 80's.
I don't care what he did as blackburn manager with Walkers money.
I DON'T CARE WHAT HE DID IN THE 80'S.

The fact is he was not far off relegation form in the 2nd half of last season.
We played 5 matches to get to the fa cup final, United were the only game we did well to win and very nearly threw that away. We were lucky to beat Everton and were then schooled by Chelsea bar the final 15 minutes.
Penalties to beat Cardiff in the league cup says it all, especially when you remember that we didn't even deserve extra time.

It's time people took off the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kenny just was not able to be so involved in the game at such a high level anymore. SAF has evolved from 1986, Kenny has not.

So you are forgetting how he re united a fan-base in Civil war for that I will be forever grateful . Plus he has done more for this club then nearly anybody in its history so yeah I can overlook the last 6 months of his managerial career . I actually remember sitting in my local and a few of us had a feeling the FA cup final would be his last shot at a trophy and the mood was horrible . Every Liverpool fan I knew was behind him and always will be he still a legend and always will be .
What killed him is the fact he was out of the game too long but that didn't matter in our hour of need he came knowing he could fairly destroy his reputation and for that alone he deserves respect .

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:13PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

So you are forgetting how he re united a fan-base in Civil war for that I will be forever grateful . Plus he has done more for this club then nearly anybody in its history so yeah I can overlook the last 6 months of his managerial career . I actually remember sitting in my local and a few of us had a feeling the FA cup final would be his last shot at a trophy and the mood was horrible . Every Liverpool fan I knew was behind him and always will be he still a legend and always will be .

Well done on completely missing the point

amiable · 26-07-2012 05:15PM

Melion wrote: »

Well done on completely missing the point

What part of Clare are you from?

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:15PM

Melion wrote: »

Gush away by all means but for people to say someone like BR replacing him is disgraceful is just not right. His one year in the premier league was better than anything Kenny managed since winning the title in 1995

Don't agree with some of the comments about Rodgers as we cannot judge him yet, but I do see where people are coming from as many expected/hoped for an obvious upgrade on Kenny once Kenny was sacked.

Rodgers may indeed turn out to be that upgrade, but his one season in the EPL does not make him an obvious one.

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:17PM

amiable wrote: »

What part of Clare are you from?

Ahh don't be starting a Limerick-Clare war. Clare folk are much finer neighbours than that Tipperary shower

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:17PM

amiable wrote: »

What part of Clare are you from?

Shannon, why?

amiable · 26-07-2012 05:18PM

Melion wrote: »

Shannon, why?

Exactly

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:18PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Don't agree with some of the comments about Rodgers as we cannot judge him yet, but I do see where people are coming from as many expected/hoped for an obvious upgrade on Kenny once Kenny was sacked.

Rodgers may indeed turn out to be that upgrade, but his one season in the EPL does not make him an obvious one.

That's my point. Judging them both on last season, rodgers is a big upgrade.

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:19PM

amiable wrote: »

Exactly

Good one, I think???

smileyj1987 · 26-07-2012 05:19PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Don't agree with some of the comments about Rodgers as we cannot judge him yet, but I do see where people are coming from as many expected/hoped for an obvious upgrade on Kenny once Kenny was sacked.

Rodgers may indeed turn out to be that upgrade, but his one season in the EPL does not make him an obvious one.

Well i think Rodgers getting the job can also be the fact he has a system and with the likes of John Henry being big into systems and figures he probably saw Rogders as the man he wanted running LFC or maybe they took a good hard look at how Swansea played and wanted their team to play like that too.

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:21PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Well i think Rodgers getting the job can also be the fact he has a system and with the likes of John Henry being big into systems and figures he probably saw Rogders as the man he wanted running LFC or maybe they took a good hard look at how Swansea played and wanted their team to play like that too.

I can see the logic of hiring Rodgers, and I defo think the guy has it in him to be a good manager.

I'm just saying that I can also see where people are coming from when they say they are not overjoyed at his appointment.

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:23PM

Melion wrote: »

Shannon, why?

Ah feck, I might have to give the Limerick -Clare war my blessing afterall.

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:24PM

Kess73 wrote: »

I can see the logic of hiring Rodgers, and I defo think the guy has it in him to be a good manager.

I'm just saying that I can also see where people are coming from when they say they are not overjoyed at his appointment.

People calling for Pep and Mourinho were being dillusional. We are not the big name we used to be, and I'm sure a lot of big managers looked at how Rafa was treated by a lot of "fans", why would they get involved in a situation like that?

Mr Alan · 26-07-2012 05:24PM

noodler wrote: »

Just to ask, when you came home that faithful day and caught Kenny in bed with your missus, did you wait a few days or did you blame Roy straight away?

I don't blame Roy for any underperformance of any other manager?

Funny though, that's what Roy does though.

Kenny is responsible for Kenny's failings. Roy is responsible for Roys. I know who's are graver.

Kenny is cooler than the fonz. Hodgson is a cretin - that kinda sums it all up tbh.

willmunny1990 wrote: »

TBF King Kenny left a far bigger stain on your club than Roy ever could.

His antics were appalling at times and he didn't even have the dignity to step down in the end, he had to be forced out.

You give KK an easy time just because he was a legend for ye as a player but the reality is he was embarrassing the club off and on field.

How embarrasing for you :P:pac:

Melion wrote: »

The fact is he was not far off relegation form in the 2nd half of last season.

The fact is the first half we were CL contenders form.

The 6 months before that we were top 4/title challenging form.

Is it only the most recent period which is relevant for you? Are you a goldfish by any chance?

Here's an interesting point, ready?

Since returning to the PL Kenny Dalglish has without question shown more to believe he could get Liverpool into the top 4 than Rodgers has in the same time period. This includes Kenny having his team playing at least equally as attractive football & displaying more tactical astuteness. That's not even up for debate tbh. The only exception to that is the last few months of Kenny's reign where we were regularly poor (but often decent too), but as stated above, I refuse to believe you are a goldfish.

Melion wrote:

It's time people took off the rose tinted glasses and realise that Kenny just was not able to be so involved in the game at such a high level anymore. SAF has evolved from 1986, Kenny has not.

Actually, it appeared he was perfectly capable for about 13 months of his 18 month stint in charge. He had a really bad spell at the end, no doubt. Again, though, the majority of the time at the club again, he had the team performing well.

Where Ferguson & Utd have differed is that they've not cut Ferguson loose after every bad spell he has had claiming that he was a dinosaur etc etc Who'd have thought stability was good for a club?!

:P

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:27PM

I'm on my phone so won't try quote and delete as needed but Kenny and tactical astuteness do not belong in the same sentence. And please for my sanity don't mention that ONE game against Chelsea.

smileyj1987 · 26-07-2012 05:32PM

Kess73 wrote: »

I can see the logic of hiring Rodgers, and I defo think the guy has it in him to be a good manager.

I'm just saying that I can also see where people are coming from when they say they are not overjoyed at his appointment.

Oh its very true alot of us where underwhelmed by Rodgers but having looked at how Henry and Co . ran the Red Sox it was always nearly going to be a long term plan implemented at the Club rather then we will do a Man City or Chelsea and just throw money at it until we win the league because lets face they can't compete with the two clubs in the money stakes .
I would say we will have a clear picture on Rodgers in the next few years to see if he was the right or wrong appointment . Lets hope he can bring back the pass and move football we want to be seen played and gets all the backing he needs to make it happen .

NEDDURC · 26-07-2012 05:37PM

Uruguay are 1 down to U.A.E - very surprised. Upside we may get Suarez and Coates back early (hopefully Ramierez too!!).

Kess73 · 26-07-2012 05:37PM

Melion wrote: »

People calling for Pep and Mourinho were being dillusional. We are not the big name we used to be, and I'm sure a lot of big managers looked at how Rafa was treated by a lot of "fans", why would they get involved in a situation like that?

There were plenty of other names suggested that were not Pep and Mourinho.

Don't really want to drag up a "we should have gotten Manager X or Manager Y" debate as we have a man in place now who has our hopes upon his shoulders, but there were more realistic options than Pep and Mourinho who, on paper, were the types that would have seemed like serious upgrades.

But we have Rodgers now, and by the time we hit Xmas we will know an awful lot more about the guy in terms of tactics, flexibility, ruthlessness (either a lack of or an abundance of), self confidence etc etc.

He is not the manager that I had hoped for after Kenny was sacked, but he is one that fires a degree of optimism in me. If he is as much his own man as he appears to be, then I think he will win most doubters over before the season is out, and that he will have the club going in the right direction within two full seasons.

klose · 26-07-2012 05:40PM

Sign the Uae skipper up buck!

GavRedKing · 26-07-2012 05:42PM

whippedcream wrote: »

Sign the Uae skipper up buck!

Some goal by Ramirez!!

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:42PM

There's another 5m on Ramirez transfer fee

NEDDURC · 26-07-2012 05:43PM

The fact that Rodgers has very clear ideas about the way he wants to play etc. gives me hope. If he is backed in the transfer market and can add a few key first team players then I think he's a great chance.

If things start to go wrong it could be a tsunami of critics ready to put him under pressure and it'll be interesting to see how he handles that.

Melion · 26-07-2012 05:43PM

I was just coming on to say that going on the first half I'd prefer Rahman to Ramirez

Mr Alan · 26-07-2012 05:45PM

Melion wrote: »

That's my point. Judging them both on last season, rodgers is a big upgrade.

This is what confuses me, I understand they're Swansea & all.....BUT....

We performed better them in the league (which I'm always told doesn't lie) & both cups & we had an awful league campaign with them having a great one?!

No obvious upgrade there in the slightest. If anything it seems like a downgrade?!

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