Sky entering Broadband in Ireland

GAAman · 26-07-2012 04:37PM

I used to work sky broadband tech support, and at one point could have had it for free. The service was so bad and the "support" so poor I actually laughed in their (My superiors) face when they offered it to me and told them I was sticking with virgin media!

nbar12 · 26-07-2012 04:43PM

Captain Darling wrote: »

My sisters best friends uncle told my dog in a dream five years ago. Its old news. :rolleyes:

:pac:

lies

Sleepy · 26-07-2012 04:44PM

I prefer Sky's programme guide, channel offerings etc. but unless they can match UPC's broadband offering at a similar or lower price, I'll be sticking with UPC.

Good broadband can compensate for poorer TV packages via torrenting etc. Better TV can't make up for crap broadband.

yoyo · 26-07-2012 04:47PM

Even in the UK Sky resell BT DSL and its rubbish (someone I know in the UK has it), if your getting 4/5meg from eircom/Vodafone et al Sky will be the same, the more competition in the TV/Broadband market aint a bad thing though, maybe UPC will have a bb price cut because of it (hopefully :pac: )

Nick

ScumLord · 26-07-2012 04:50PM

PogMoThoin wrote: »

If we can deliver electricity to every house, we can easily do broadband. Fibre is dirt cheap. Blame successive governments for not investing properly and expecting the market to sort it (the national broadband scheme didn't bring a single person broadband)

It can be done yes but it's much more expensive trying to get it to houses spread out. People need electricity so they'll make it work but don't expect phone companies to go out of their way putting down expensive lines so that some out of the way farmer can see porn for the first time.

PogMoThoin · 26-07-2012 04:54PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It can be done yes but it's much more expensive trying to get it to houses spread out. People need electricity so they'll make it work but don't expect phone companies to go out of their way putting down expensive lines so that some out of the way farmer can see porn for the first time.

I don't expect phone companies to do it at all. We need a new fibre network, built and owned by the people that every provider can use. Let the ESB do it, they already deliver electricity to every house in the country. Broadband should be a requirement, just as essential to any home or business as electricity and water.

ScumLord · 26-07-2012 04:58PM

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I don't expect phone companies to do it at all. We need a new fibre network, built and owned by the people that every provider can use. Let the ESB do it, they already deliver electricity to every house in the country. Broadband should be a requirement, just as essential to any home or business as electricity and water.

They'll have to dig up all the lines again because they had no foresight to make it easy to upgrade these things. They're still doing work today that is out of date and are leaving no room for upgrades.

The ESB won't do it out of the kindness of they're hearts.

PogMoThoin · 26-07-2012 05:03PM

ScumLord wrote: »

They'll have to dig up all the lines again because they had no foresight to make it easy to upgrade these things. They're still doing work today that is out of date and are leaving no room for upgrades.

So? We need this network.

ScumLord wrote: »

The ESB won't do it out of the kindness of they're hearts.

Nor should they. We need a long term plan and a Government with a plan longer than the 4 years they're in power. We're late starting, other countries are finished. The sooner we plan and start the better, We need this network.

ejmaztec · 26-07-2012 05:10PM

ScumLord wrote: »

They'll have to dig up all the lines again because they had no foresight to make it easy to upgrade these things. They're still doing work today that is out of date and are leaving no room for upgrades.

The ESB won't do it out of the kindness of they're hearts.

Eircom laid fibre-optic cable along the road a few years, about ten yards from our house, and I haven't a clue whether or not anyone's actually connected to it. With my 2mb download speed about 1.5 miles from the exchange, I know it isn't me.:(

Gunmonkey · 26-07-2012 05:15PM

I think the governments just gave up years ago after realising selling all our phone lines with Eircom was a f**ing dumbs**t move.

Seems they just thrown money at the mobile companies since all they have to do is slap a booster onto a pylon and job done, that will be good enough for em, just get as close to "100% coverage" as possible and leave it be lads.... :rolleyes:

And even if Eircom went under a Sky bought them out, what incentive would they have to update the country lines? Most likely they get into a pissing match with UPC for the services in the major towns, country folk have no alternative so no chance of em jumping ship

juuge · 26-07-2012 05:31PM

ScumLord wrote: »

.... so that some out of the way farmer can see porn for the first time.

I'm a farmer - What's this 'porn' you speak of??

vard · 26-07-2012 05:33PM

I had sky when I lived in London. Couldn't get their highest speed package, but had a typical DSL connection which was 17MBPS; never had any problems at all with it. I'm back in Ireland at the moment and forced to put up with pitiful Eircom speeds. UPC not available in my area...

I hope I'll have alternatives soon. Can't wait to escape eircom.

LowOdour · 26-07-2012 05:43PM

I suppose they will be looking for a home service staff? Anybody know if sky installers are well paid?

Biggins · 26-07-2012 05:43PM

Sky Broadband will still be limited to using the same crappy lines laid down by Eircom.

I have recently contacted Sky (inquiring about it) and they confirmed to me that they will NOT be able to give the speeds that are currently available to countries elsewhere – where the lines are of much better quality and that includes England.
For the foreseeable future, the bulk of the country is stuck using the same far out of date lines which really only slower speeds and a lot of line degradation.

Say “Thank you Eircom” !!!

starviewadams · 26-07-2012 05:43PM

No alternatives will be forthcoming in the medium to long term,unless the government realise that if they want to achieve this 'smart economy' that they're always banging on about they need to invest a substantial amount of money upgrading our out of date telecommunications infrastructure.

Of course they won't though.They'll pay 3/02/Vodafone a few million to set up satelite 'broadband' schemes and throw up a few more 3g base stations instead.

I'm lucky enough to be in an area covered by UPC broadband,but I know people living in Dublin City Centre that have to rely on un-reliable 3g dongles,which is ridiculous for a capitol city in the year 2012.

Biggins · 26-07-2012 05:47PM

vard wrote: »

...I hope I'll have alternatives soon. Can't wait to escape eircom.

Sadly, you (and I) will be waiting a least another few years - to say the least!

DenMan · 26-07-2012 05:48PM

starviewadams wrote: »

No alternatives will be forthcoming in the medium to long term,unless the government realise that if they want to achieve this 'smart economy' that they're always banging on about they need to invest a substantial amount of money upgrading our out of date telecommunications infrastructure.

Of course they won't though.They'll pay 3/02/Vodafone a few million to set up satelite 'broadband' schemes and throw up a few more 3g base stations instead.

I'm lucky enough to be in an area covered by UPC broadband,but I know people living in Dublin City Centre that have to rely on un-reliable 3g dongles,which is ridiculous for a capitol city in the year 2012.

Why won't they not starviewadams? Isn't it in the best interests of the country to have a sustainable and reliable broadband infrastructure in place for growth to return to the economy?

johndoe99 · 26-07-2012 05:52PM

DenMan wrote: »

Landmark day! Let's see what greedy Eircom now will do about this!

Eircom will do what it always does, reduce its customers speed and increase the price.

con71 · 26-07-2012 06:00PM

They're actually going to use BT for the backbone. Sky chappie said so on Matt Cooper's show this evening.

starviewadams · 26-07-2012 06:04PM

Sky are bending the truth already then so,BT only have about 60 exchanges nationwide with their own equipment installed,so for the majority of their service delivery Sky willl be reliant on Eircom's shoddy infrastructure.

mydogjack · 26-07-2012 06:04PM

Also said 100% coverage. How's that when using BT's 'backbone'. Said rural Ireland can avail also, how? Sat dish? Existing non-broadband phone lines?

KoolKid · 26-07-2012 06:41PM

Surly they have the ability to set up a satellite service .?
Why resell an inferior product?

PogMoThoin · 26-07-2012 06:44PM

KoolKid wrote: »

Surly they have the ability to set up a satellite service .?
Why resell an inferior product?

Broadband cannot be delivered by satellite. Because of the distance the latency is much too high for anything in real-time, gaming, skype etc. Also a satellite has about as much bandwidth as a small rural exchange, this is shared across Europe to all customers, hence most satellite offerings have pitiful download limits and throttling in the evening

B.A._Baracus · 26-07-2012 06:47PM

On the subject of broadband and upc being better...

has anyone noticed upc broadband dropping alot lately? I'm in west dublin. its weird. Will be down for a few mins (sometimes over an hour) then come back on.

B.A._Baracus · 26-07-2012 06:48PM

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Broadband cannot be delivered by satellite. Because of the distance the latency is much too high for anything in real-time, gaming, skype etc. Also a satellite has about as much bandwidth as a small rural exchange, this is shared across Europe to all customers, hence most satellite offerings have pitiful download limits and throttling in the evening

No wonder when I was on Irish broadband it was shit!

KoolKid · 26-07-2012 06:53PM

With the likes of Onwave able to offer 10meg/4 meg I thought Sky would be able to go way better.
I cant see them getting any great custom from using poor quality Eircom lines.

KoolKid · 26-07-2012 06:54PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

On the subject of broadband and upc being better...

has anyone noticed upc broadband dropping alot lately? I'm in west dublin. its weird. Will be down for a few mins (sometimes over an hour) then come back on.

Mines been great since the big blackout a few weeks back.:D

mydogjack · 26-07-2012 06:57PM

So how will it be 100% coverage? Anybody?

KoolKid · 26-07-2012 06:58PM

mydogjack wrote: »

So how will it be 100% coverage? Anybody?

They can't make that claim with just DSL

starviewadams · 26-07-2012 06:59PM

It won't be,either the guy interviewed doesn't know what he's talking about (very likely) or he was lying.

Sky entering Broadband in Ireland

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