Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

whatawaster wrote: »

While working towards changing our style of play, clearing out the dead-wood and inflated wage bill that Dalglish, Hodgson and even Benitez allowed to fester.

There is more to this than just league position.
Dalglish left us 8th, but he also left us with a squad full of players who are massively overpaid relative to their contribution on the field. We have thankfully started to address that this summer.

Honestly, I hazard a guess I could find identical posts from many people from when Hodgson took over from Rafa.

You more than others, I predict will turn on Rodgers lightning fast.

whatawaster wrote: »

Alan - if FSG are only interested in short term results rather than the long-term health of the club, then why would they go for Rodgers over a "safe pair of hands" like a Capello, Van Gaal or even Benitez?

It can't be money, because not only is Rodgers probably well paid, but he also cost us millions in compensation.

To me it shows that they are in this for the long term. They wanted someone to come in and completely rebuild things. And rightly so, because LFC has resembled a civil service department more so than a well-run football club, with a bloated wage bill and personnel who had long outstayed their useful life.

My fear is that they are easily led by media & hype. That they don't rate the likes of Rafa & Capello because the media in England & numpty fans don't rate them.

Swansea were lauded last season & Rodgers was rightly praised. They wanted him (seemingly ignoring the structure that was in place at Swansea prior to his arrival). They got him. He was the shiney object they desired.

I've never heard such praise & hyperbole used by people (our owners) to describe a manager who has yet to manage a competitive game at the club & has less than 50 games managed in the top flight.

The shine will quickly wear off if he doesn't deliver quickly. That's my prediction.

As bad as Hodgson was does anyone really believe he decided I'll get rid of you Mr Aquilani and I'll replace you with Poulsen?

It's my opinion that Aquilani probably wanted out.
Of course only Aquilani can answer that but if he really wanted to stay he could have refused the loan moves.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Hodgson was different. He has just never been & never will be good enough a manager for Liverpool. Compounded by the fact he was a cretinous man.

He deserved nothing but the treatment he received.

Dalglish had fantastic abilities as a manager. Clearly illustrated by his record & shown as recently as our CL/title winning form after he took over from the hodge. Also illustrated by what he was able to perform in the cups last season.

He made mistakes & underperformed at times last season, no doubt. However, he deserved time to see if he could improve this year.

Rodgers has clear potential to be a top manager & seems a decent bloke.

He deserves time now the choice has been made.

Hodgson is beyond comparrison with the two lads above.

You can be a ****ing disgrace at times.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Honestly, I hazard I could find identical posts from many people from when Hodgson took over from Rafa.

I'd bet you could. Of course, it quickly became apparent that Hodgson had no intention of dealing with the pressing issues at the club. In fact his signings added to the problem, as did the new contracts handed out during his reign.

My fear is that they are easily led by media & hype. That they don't rate the likes of Rafa & Capello because the media in England & numpty fans don't rate them.

Swansea were lauded last season & Rodgers was rightly praised. They wanted him. They got him. He was the shiney object they desired.

The shine will quickly wear off if he doesn't deliver quickly.

You're talking about your fears as if they are facts.

"The shine will quickly wear off if he doesn't deliver quickly"
- you are stating this like it's a fact, when in reality, Rodger's is the first chance they've had to really appoint their own man as manager.

opr wrote: »

Purslow at that time let Insua leave and was trying to get rid of Lucas so letting Aquilani go isn't any kind of stretch.

I'm just not buying this PR stunt by Aquilani.
If you want to stay then tell the manager and not the media.

opr wrote: »

He says he has sat down and had a good chat with the manager that went well. If what he says is true and the club have forced him out out in successive years after his move to Liverpool. I can tell you if it was me I would have bit my tongue much less in that interview.

We have nothing else to go on except his word.
You can't force a player out who is under contract if he doesn't want to go.
We'll never know what actually happened.

amiable wrote: »

We have nothing else to go on except his word.
You can't force a player out who is under contract if he doesn't want to go.
We'll never know what actually happened.

Well we know Kenny/Comolli forced him out. They say as much themselves in the quotes I just posted and the player confirms the same thing? You would hardly hang around somewhere you're not wanted if they organise a loan back to Italy.

It just annoys me that so many fans seem to think Aquilani has been driving these moves when everything else points to the opposite.

Opr

Some player highlights from last night

Jonjo


Suso


Cole

The Joe Cole video won't embed. I guess "computer says no"....lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLF9RKHIchc&feature=plcp

Lucas

opr wrote: »

It just annoys me that so many fans seem to think Aquilani has been driving these moves when everything else points to the opposite.

But how else can people build their hate for him for being a failed, crocked, Anglophile who is not fit to lace Xabi's boots!?

Daemonic wrote: »

Reading the interview with Henry I'm wondering if Rodgers was the long term choice why did it take so long after Kenny was sacked to appoint him. And if The board and Kenny agreed he was only in place until a long-term younger candidate was found, why not just yearly rolling contracts?
Lot of revisionism in that interview.

Agree. It's quite obvious that 1) they only realised Dalglish was not the answer when the season started to deteriorate and 2) they didn't know who the long term solution was until after they started talking to Martinez, Rogers, etc.

noodler wrote: »

You can be a ****ing disgrace at times.

:eek:

How dare you!

:pac:

whatawaster wrote: »

I'd bet you could. Of course, it quickly became apparent that Hodgson had no intention of dealing with the pressing issues at the club. In fact his signings added to the problem, as did the new contracts handed out during his reign.

You must be very worried about signing the likes of Dempsey & Allen for big money in that case, because to be perfectly frank if I didn't know any better, I'd think our transfers were being dictated by the same person who has been doing it for the last couple of years.

In fact under Dalglish we were continually linked to both players, only to be met with howls of disgust on this very thread from the same people who seemingly now think that they're gonna be cornerstones to our return to greatness! :pac::P

whatawaster wrote:

"The shine will quickly wear off if he doesn't deliver quickly"
- you are stating this like it's a fact, when in reality, Rodger's is the first chance they've had to really appoint their own man as manager.

No he's not?

They clearly were 100% responsible for the appointment of Dalglish.

Ardent wrote: »

Unbelieveable. You really are some tulip.

Not quite sure who you are, are you the guy who thought Kuyt should be loaned out a few seasons ago & that Lucas was a disgrace to the jersey?

Tulip indeed.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Not quite sure who you are, are you the guy who thought Kuyt should be loaned out a few seasons ago & that Lucas was a disgrace to the jersey?

Tulip indeed.

Nice, that's nice.

Morzadec wrote: »

Ádrian (who we were linked to the other day) is about to play for Spain in the Olympics if anyone wants a look at him.

I've actually heard very little about him joining and as much as I'd love him to join I don't think it's going to happen. Spurs and Arsenal have also been linked.

Looks as though Spain are losing, 1-0 with a man sent off. Am in work and not watching it but that's pretty surprising.

Mr Alan wrote: »

:eek:

How dare you!

:pac:


You must be very worried about signing the likes of Dempsey & Allen for big money in that case, because to be perfectly frank if I didn't know any better, I'd think our transfers were being dictated by the same person who has been doing it for the last couple of years.

In fact under Dalglish we were continually linked to both players, only to be met with howls of disgust on this very thread from the same people who seemingly now think that they're gonna be cornerstones to our return to greatness! :pac::P

Was it not Sinclair we were linked with?

K-9 wrote: »

Was it not Sinclair we were linked with?

Liverpool scouts had watched Joe Allen quite a bit IIRC