Should James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Get The Death Penalty??

al28283 · 26-07-2012 01:05PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Are they? A Canadian could have done the same http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/25/colorado-guns-canada.html

Anders Breivik managed to killed many more peopel without the aid of American gun laws.

Exactly, and they guy had a ****load of explosives at his house, if he wanted to kill the gun laws wouldn't have stopped him

Canis Lupus · 26-07-2012 01:07PM

I'm all for the return of meaningless labour like the threadmill etc for crimes like this. The death penalty is pointless. It clearly doesn't work as a deterrent.

My name is URL · 26-07-2012 01:08PM

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

Exactly what i would have said. Waist of money and space locking him up, he deserves to die imo

It's more expensive to sentence someone to death, and there's a 15 year period in which they have to remain on death row to allow for appeals etc.

Saying 'put a bullet in his head and be done with it' isn't a valid option. It may be what you'd like to see, but it ain't gonna happen. You may as well call for him to be shot into the Sun from a large cannon.

Jhcx · 26-07-2012 01:09PM

Tis bit complicated. Giving him the options to serve lifetime of pain with rapists and murders or give him the easy option and get of this planets meaning one less person in the world to mind in prison. If he is insane and gets cured who's to say he won't do it again. Everyone has a breaking point.

So I can't really say I want to see him dead but I do -_-

IrishAm · 26-07-2012 01:11PM

My name is URL wrote: »

You may as well call for him to be shot into the Sun from a large cannon.

That would be a cool way to go.

kildare.17hmr · 26-07-2012 01:11PM

buck65 wrote: »

American gun law is the real issue here not the death penalty, but like Americans we will be sidetracked into his fate just like Obama and Romney hope so they don't have to face the big ****ing elephant in the room.

If someone wants to shoot someone they will get their hands on a gun, legal or ilegal. Gun laws are not to blame even tho the guns in this were legally owned

Guy:Incognito · 26-07-2012 01:12PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I'm all for the return of meaningless labour like the threadmill etc for crimes like this. The death penalty is pointless. It clearly doesn't work as a deterrent.

It doesnt have to, nothing works as a deterrant. What it does work as and has a 100% success rate at is cutting reoffending rates.

Guy:Incognito · 26-07-2012 01:13PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It's more expensive to sentence someone to death, .

It's not more expensive to kill someone though. The process needs streamlining. If not for all then at least for the cases where there is no doubt of guilt, such as this. Take him out the back and shoot him.

seligehgit · 26-07-2012 01:14PM

No but live the remainder of his life in a penitentiary.

IrishAm · 26-07-2012 01:17PM

buck65 wrote: »

Well America does have 8 times more gun murders than comparable countries so I would say yes.

Actually, Colorado has very restrictive conceal and carry laws, if they didn't, its quite likely that someone in the cinema would have been packing and the murderer could have been nullified. Thus, saving lives.

buck65 · 26-07-2012 01:18PM

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

If someone wants to shoot someone they will get their hands on a gun, legal or ilegal. Gun laws are not to blame even tho the guns in this were legally owned

They will in America but not in most other civilised countries. If I wanted a gun in the morning the best I could hope for would be a rifle which in fairness isn't going to kill 12 people, I'm sure there are Garda checks and I might well have cooled down by the time I get a gun.
In America all these clowns carry guns to movies, playgrounds you name it. Most gun crime in the states would probably not have happened with tighter gun laws.

buck65 · 26-07-2012 01:19PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Actually, Colorado has very restrictive conceal and carry laws, if they didn't, its quite likely that someone in the cinema would have been packing and the murderer could have been nullified. Thus, saving lives.

That's the kind of stuff that I'm hearing from American republicans too. Beggars belief.

I ask again..if American's faced tighter gun control i.e getting semi automatics and automatics off the streets and stronger vetting from the police would gun related deaths drop? If the answer is yes , even by a small percentage surely it is worth it?

OMARS_COMING_ · 26-07-2012 01:23PM

They should keep him locked away until they make the next Batman movie,then use him for various stunts like falling out of windows,crash testing bat cars and then in the end he can be part of the movie in a death scene,serious.If they are going to kill him they should use him first for alls hes got.

Poccington · 26-07-2012 01:23PM

buck65 wrote: »

That's the kind of stuff that I'm hearing from American republicans too. Beggars belief.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707

There's a result of an armed robbery taking place, while someone in the cafe was carrying a pistol.

While there's no guarantee someone could've stopped Holmes, I'd sooner have a weapon with me than not have one, when something like that happened.

IrishAm · 26-07-2012 01:24PM

buck65 wrote: »

That's the kind of stuff that I'm hearing from American republicans too. Beggars belief.

Good stuff.

Its a pity our founding fathers didn't stick the right to bare arms into our constitution.

I would have a fucking arsenal in my house.

Poccington · 26-07-2012 01:24PM

buck65 wrote: »

They will in America but not in most other civilised countries. If I wanted a gun in the morning the best I could hope for would be a rifle which in fairness isn't going to kill 12 people, I'm sure there are Garda checks and I might well have cooled down by the time I get a gun.
In America all these clowns carry guns to movies, playgrounds you name it. Most gun crime in the states would probably not have happened with tighter gun laws.

Actually, a lot of cinemas forbid carrying a weapon on your person while there.

Pride Fighter · 26-07-2012 01:26PM

An eye for an eye makes the world blind- Ghandi

So thats a no for me.

It wasn't me! · 26-07-2012 01:28PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Its a pity our founding fathers didn't stick the right to bare arms into our constitution.

Farmer's tan for all!

Canis Lupus · 26-07-2012 01:28PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It doesnt have to, nothing works as a deterrant. What it does work as and has a 100% success rate at is cutting reoffending rates.

Although it read that way I wasn't suggesting meaningless labour was a deterrent but rather a much better form of vengeance than killing someone. I'd be much more chuffed knowing someone who killed a loved one was having to grind every waking moment of their remaining lives doing a repetitive, physical meaningless job.

Awesome stuff taken from wiki:

Treadmills for punishment were used in prisons in Britain from 1818; they were like twenty-foot paddle wheels with twenty-four steps around a six-foot cylinder. Prisoners had to work six or more hours a day, climbing 5,000 to 14,000 vertical feet. While the purpose was mainly punitive, the mill could grind grain, pump water, or ventilate.[2]

Shot drill involved stooping without bending the knees, lifting a heavy cannon-ball slowly to chest height, taking three steps to the right, replacing it on the ground, stepping back three paces, and repeating, moving cannon-balls from one pile to another.[1]

The crank machine was a machine with a handle that forced four large cups or ladles through sand inside a drum, doing nothing useful. Male prisoners had to turn the handle 14,400 times a day, as registered on a dial. The warder could make the task harder by tightening a screw, hence the slang term "screw" for prison warder.[1]

IrishAm · 26-07-2012 01:29PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

An eye for an eye makes the world blind- Ghandi

So thats a no for me.

Ghandi was also a pacifist and against all forms of violence, Pride Fighter.;)

TwoShedsJackson · 26-07-2012 01:30PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Actually, Colorado has very restrictive conceal and carry laws, if they didn't, its quite likely that someone in the cinema would have been packing and the murderer could have been nullified. Thus, saving lives.

Oh yeah, Joe Bloggs with his handgun, in a darkened cinema, surrounded by screaming people and general chaos would have been able to take down a guy firing a rifle and wearing body armour. No problem.

Certainly no chance of hitting anyone else or being confused for the shooter and getting shot himself.

buck65 · 26-07-2012 01:31PM

Poccington wrote: »

Actually, a lot of cinemas forbid carrying a weapon on your person while there.

That's reassuring.

FutureGuy · 26-07-2012 01:32PM

6x8 cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life.

smash · 26-07-2012 01:32PM

RossieMan wrote: »

lifetime of suffering.... over in 5 minutes.

i know which 1 i'd choose for him.

I wouldn't be so sure that he'd suffer. He's clearly insane and no amount of psychological help would fix that. I'd hazard a guess that he'd happily sit in a cell getting free food, exercise and TV for the rest of his life.

johngalway · 26-07-2012 01:33PM

Perhaps if mental illness got more attention worldwide then a lot of this type of sh1t might not ever get to the stage it does.

As for the death penalty, I'm in favour of it. If he is proved sane at the time, he's obviously guilty, I don't see a need for drawn out legal argument.

Guy:Incognito · 26-07-2012 01:33PM

buck65 wrote: »

I ask again..if American's faced tighter gun control i.e getting semi automatics and automatics off the streets and stronger vetting from the police would gun related deaths drop? If the answer is yes , even by a small percentage surely it is worth it?

and again, why did the same thing not happen in Canada?

Guy:Incognito · 26-07-2012 01:35PM

buck65 wrote: »

They will in America but not in most other civilised countries. If I wanted a gun in the morning the best I could hope for would be a rifle which in fairness isn't going to kill 12 people, I'm sure there are Garda checks and I might well have cooled down by the time I get a gun.
In America all these clowns carry guns to movies, playgrounds you name it. Most gun crime in the states would probably not have happened with tighter gun laws.

Isnt there a cooling off period in America to stop peopel losing the rag and heading straight to a gun shop to buy a gun and go back to kill everyone?

kildare.17hmr · 26-07-2012 01:36PM

buck65 wrote: »

They will in America but not in most other civilised countries. If I wanted a gun in the morning the best I could hope for would be a rifle which in fairness isn't going to kill 12 people, I'm sure there are Garda checks and I might well have cooled down by the time I get a gun.
In America all these clowns carry guns to movies, playgrounds you name it. Most gun crime in the states would probably not have happened with tighter gun laws.

All guns have the potential to kill and depending how long it takes authorities to show up alot more people could be dead.

Most little ****head scumbags are potentially only a few phone calles away from getting their hands on a gun if they really wanted to.

You could be some way right in your last bit, im sure there would be less hot headed shootings over arguments if people were not walking around carrying guns in their pockets but what im talking about is someone planning on going out to commit a crime like that lad last week, it was obviously planned for a good while beforehand so if he didnt have access to legal guns he surely would have got them illegally

buck65 · 26-07-2012 01:40PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

and again, why did the same thing not happen in Canada?

**** it you're right, let's continue as we are maybe it'll sort itself out.

Holsten · 26-07-2012 01:41PM

No, lock him up in a psychiatric hospital and study him for a few years.

He must have some sort of mental illness, by learning about him it might be possible to see the warning signs and perhaps prevent this happening in the future.

Killing him will solve nothing, it's not going to rewind time, it's not going to bring back those who are dead, I'm willing to bet it won't even bring any comfort to the families of the dead.

Should James Holmes, Colorado Shooter, Get The Death Penalty??

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