Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

G.K. · 25-07-2012 01:21PM

amiable wrote: »

Is he not going to Southampton?

No, they signed an Argentine keeper from Gillingham instead.

opr · 25-07-2012 01:22PM

amiable wrote: »

Is he not going to Southampton?

They were one of the clubs interested but I didn't think anyone had bagged him yet.

Opr

missingtime · 25-07-2012 01:23PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Which again begs the question, what the hell are the scouting department up to?

I picture our scouting department to be the same as the one at the start of Moneyball.
about 10 out of touch aul fellas sitting around a table watching re runs of MOTD.

A lot of our recent purchases have been quite unimaginative, almost immature.

"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"
"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"
"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"

amiable · 25-07-2012 01:27PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Which again begs the question, what the hell are the scouting department up to?

I picture our scouting department to be the same as the one at the start of Moneyball.
about 10 out of touch aul fellas sitting around a table watching re runs of MOTD.

Rumours that Montpellier want 8 million for Yanga-Mbiwa
The scouts were seen at a few Montpellier games.
Pehaps he's not seen as a player that needs to be signed right now?

SlickRic · 25-07-2012 01:31PM

amiable wrote: »

Rumours that Montpellier want 8 million for Yanga-Mbiwa
The scouts were seen at a few Montpellier games.
Pehaps he's not seen as a player that needs to be signed right now?

if that sum is true, and the rumours about him are true (i haven't seen much of him at all to pass judgment), well then he should be snapped up immediately.

to put it in perspective, Ryan Shawcross was rumoured to be available for circa £10-12m recently, and his wages would outstrip whatever you'd have to pay Mbiwa initially.

amiable · 25-07-2012 01:32PM

If Loic Remy joins Newcastle do people think there's less chance of Andy Carroll leaving?
The Guardian say Remy will join Newcastle for £15 million.

G.K. · 25-07-2012 01:33PM

I would hope the only reason that the targets seem to largely be players Rodgers knows or are from the EPL at this time is because the scouting system is reorganising itself.

Any club with Jen Chang on board surely wouldn't scout on prejudices, given the amount of ranting he did on the subject pre-Liverpool.

amiable · 25-07-2012 01:33PM

SlickRic wrote: »

if that sum is true, and the rumours about him are true (i haven't seen much of him at all to pass judgment), well then he should be snapped up immediately.

to put it in perspective, Ryan Shawcross was rumoured to be available for circa £10-12m recently, and his wages would outstrip whatever you'd have to pay Mbiwa initially.

Milan have supposedly had bids rejected for him already.
I'd imagine his wages wouldn't be massive either.

amiable · 25-07-2012 01:35PM

G.K. wrote: »

I would hope the only reason that the targets seem to largely be players Rodgers knows or are from the EPL at this time is because the scouting system is reorganising itself.

Any club with Jen Chang on board surely wouldn't scout on prejudices, given the amount of ranting he did on the subject pre-Liverpool.

Agreed, several of the scouts are only in place a few weeks.

I'm not sure how much influence Jen Chang can have over transfer targets in his position?

Rekop dog · 25-07-2012 01:36PM

missingtime wrote: »

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Which again begs the question, what the hell are the scouting department up to?

I picture our scouting department to be the same as the one at the start of Moneyball.
about 10 out of touch aul fellas sitting around a table watching re runs of MOTD.

A lot of our recent purchases have been quite unimaginative, almost immature.

"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"
"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"
"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"

Yeah it's them hidden gems that have rubbish seasons that you should be targeting. Far maturer approach!

Luckycharms_74 · 25-07-2012 01:37PM

amiable wrote: »

Wolves keeper Dorus De Vries linked to Liverpool for £9 million

only kidding on the fee

haha I only now saw the part about the *fee.
If we could get him for a couple of million it might not be too bad

Kess73 · 25-07-2012 01:38PM

amiable wrote: »

Rumours that Montpellier want 8 million for Yanga-Mbiwa
The scouts were seen at a few Montpellier games.
Pehaps he's not seen as a player that needs to be signed right now?

He would be a steal at that price. Excellent centre back, strong in the tackle, very good reader of the game, proper leader, decent pace, good passer and still only 23 years of age. Has refused to extend his contract as well so is in the final 11 months of his current contract.

Would rate him as being better than any of our current CB options save for Agger, and there would not be a whole lot between him and Agger at that imho.

If Skrtel wants out, it would be a no brainer imo to go after Yanga Mbiwa.

Milan are meant to be sniffing around him though, but the player has long said that playing in England is his career goal, so would make sense to go after him before he ends up at Milan and increases his value.

Every season I say in here that we need to be going after some of the obvious talents in Europe that are not yet at household name level. Every season sees a number of genuinely good players move for low to medium prices to clubs that are not one of the big CL teams.

Leiva · 25-07-2012 01:38PM

amiable wrote: »

I'm not sure how much influence Jen Chang can have over transfer targets in his position?

Exactly .

Would the Head of Communication (or whatever his title) have much influence in scouting/first team matters? ...doubt it .

G.K. · 25-07-2012 01:39PM

amiable wrote: »

Agreed, several of the scouts are only in place a few weeks.

I'm not sure how much influence Jen Chang can have over transfer targets in his position?

Aye, I'd hope that his ideas would be taken into consideration though, he's a very intelligent person and was a good journo too.

Luckycharms_74 · 25-07-2012 01:40PM

Sid Lowe
‏@sidlowe There's an obvious joke in there... "@101greatgoals: Gerrard & Totti swap signed shirts ahead of Livrpool v Roma tonight
http://twitpic.com/abklbl/full

I don't get the obvious joke

The LFC jersey signed & the Roma one not ???

amiable · 25-07-2012 01:41PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18981850

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew says Liverpool must accept a significant loss if they are to sell Andy Carroll.
Liverpool turned down an initial bid by Newcastle to take the 23-year-old, who they sold to the Reds for £35m in January 2011, back to Tyneside on loan.
But Pardew told BBC Radio Newcastle: "[Reading chairman] John Madejski used to say to me about certain players, just wipe your nose and move on.
"And I think [Liverpool] are going to have to do that with Andy."
New Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers is willing to accept offers of around £20m for the England striker.
And Pardew, who became Newcastle manager the month before Carroll's departure, believes that the striker was destined to Merseyside leave once Rodgers took over at Anfield.
"I think it was obvious that as soon as Brendan went into Liverpool that Andy's time was going to have to be somewhere else," said Pardew.
"I think it's quite right we're involved in that. Whether he comes here, is something that I will take or I will leave.
"It's a lot of money for Mike [Ashley, Newcastle owner], although we'll obviously be getting a big upside in terms of what we sold him for and we've got three great strikers here already.
"But of course as the manager I want the best players I can get."

Leiva · 25-07-2012 01:43PM

amiable wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18981850

reading between the lines it looks very much on for Carroll to move .

SlickRic · 25-07-2012 01:47PM

seriously Pardew, shut the fúck up.

he's not your player, stop talking so openly about him as if you have some sort of right to him just because you're manager of his boyhood club.

fúck right off.

Chucky the tree · 25-07-2012 01:49PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Which again begs the question, what the hell are the scouting department up to?

I picture our scouting department to be the same as the one at the start of Moneyball.
about 10 out of touch aul fellas sitting around a table watching re runs of MOTD.

Maybe we have and they have concluded that they just aren't that good? Or else maybe they've told us they aren't interested in us?

Kess73 · 25-07-2012 01:53PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Maybe we have and they have concluded that they just aren't that good? Or else maybe they've told us they aren't interested in us?

Well when one looks at what we have actually bought in the same period, and for big money, then I would be very worried about what exactly is a good player in the eyes of our scouts.

Sir Gallagher · 25-07-2012 01:54PM

Pardew has one good season in football and now he thinks he's Fergie.

Gbear · 25-07-2012 01:54PM

Does anyone else feel like they're taking crazy pills with us signing Dempsey from Fulham rather than Dembele?

LuckyLloyd · 25-07-2012 01:55PM

Rekop dog wrote: »

Yeah it's them hidden gems that have rubbish seasons that you should be targeting. Far maturer approach!

I know this was tongue in cheek, but that is LITERALLY what we should be doing. Trying to identify players who are undervalued for whatever reason. Not paying top dollar taking players on the crest of a wave.

Suarez was a great acquisition along those lines - his discipliniary issues at left him at Ajax for longer than he should have been and we swooped in to take advantage. As a result we have a player who is top shelf and would bring in far more than we paid were he to leave...

SlickRic · 25-07-2012 01:55PM

Gbear wrote: »

Does anyone else feel like they're taking crazy pills with us signing Dempsey from Fulham rather than Dembele?

if it's the question of another £3m or less, and Dembele was interested in us, then yes, we're taking crazy pills.

but whether he wants to come is another thing.

missingtime · 25-07-2012 01:56PM

Rekop dog wrote: »

missingtime wrote: »

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Which again begs the question, what the hell are the scouting department up to?

I picture our scouting department to be the same as the one at the start of Moneyball.
about 10 out of touch aul fellas sitting around a table watching re runs of MOTD.

A lot of our recent purchases have been quite unimaginative, almost immature.

"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"
"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"
"Oh, he's had a good season, lets get him"

Yeah it's them hidden gems that have rubbish seasons that you should be targeting. Far maturer approach!

What im saying is we are not doing enough research on players.

LuckyLloyd · 25-07-2012 01:57PM

G.K. wrote: »

Aye, I'd hope that his ideas would be taken into consideration though, he's a very intelligent person and was a good journo too.

Doesn't really work like that in most workplaces even if it should...Chang will have his job to be getting on with and I'd be shocked if portions of his week are being allocated to attending scouting meetings or providing his written opinion on our transfer targets...

Chucky the tree · 25-07-2012 01:58PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Well when one looks at what we have actually bought in the same period, and for big money, then I would be very worried about what exactly is a good player in the eyes of our scouts.

Well I think it's unfair to criticise our scouts when we have no idea what input they have had. Maybe they have recommended all these players and managers have said no. Comolli did admit that scouts gave negative reports about Enrique but he was bought anyway. Scouts just recommend players, can't do much more than that.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I know this was tongue in cheek, but that is LITERALLY what we should be doing. Trying to identify players who are undervalued for whatever reason. Not paying top dollar taking players on the crest of a wave.

Suarez was a great acquisition along those lines - his discipliniary issues at left him at Ajax for longer than he should have been and we swooped in to take advantage. As a result we have a player who is top shelf and would bring in far more than we paid were he to leave...

Suarez cost over £20m.

Leiva · 25-07-2012 02:00PM

Gbear wrote: »

Does anyone else feel like they're taking crazy pills with us signing Dempsey from Fulham rather than Dembele?

Dont get me wrong I think Dempsey would strengthen our squad but I think his nationality has a lot to do with why he is linked to LFC, and the potential commercial value from across the pond it may bring .

Leiva · 25-07-2012 02:01PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Well I think it's unfair to criticise our scouts when we have no idea what input they have had. Maybe they have recommended all these players and managers have said no. Comolli did admit that scouts gave negative reports about Enrique but he was bought anyway. Scouts just recommend players, can't do much more than that.

Comolli needs a swift kick in the bóllox !

daingeanrob · 25-07-2012 02:09PM

Leiva wrote: »

Dont get me wrong I think Dempsey would strengthen our squad but I think his nationality has a lot to do with why he is linked to LFC, and the potential commercial value from across the pond it may bring .

that is for sure, he would certainly add to our squad as well.

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