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So.. I have paid 100 euro for property tax

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  • #32
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    Marcin_diy wrote: »
    I have paid 100 euro for property tax. Now almost half a year later and nobody knows how many households still didn't pay it. What is government doing to get these money? is there any justice, or am I just stupid and officials won't bother to collect rest of money?

    FYP.

    Al would be so proud of me, it almost brings a tear.....


  • #33
    staker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭staker


    I still haven't received the warning letter about non-payment. Were they actually sent out or is that all pie in the sky?


  • #34
    starviewadams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    We still haven't heard anything about non-payment yet and neither have anyone else we know who didn't pay.

    When the letter eventually does arrive it will be going straight in the bin.


  • #35
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    staker wrote: »
    I still haven't received the warning letter about non-payment. Were they actually sent out or is that all pie in the sky?

    Its pie in the sky. (like the excuses as to where the money will be going)

    Btw, I met my second person who admitted to paying the HHC today.
    Had to avail of a breakdown service today, and the tow truck guy (a nice elder guy prob in his mid to late sixties) and me got talking about the charge.

    He told me he paid it, he said he had to in order to get a tax clearance cert.

    I told him I didn't think that was 100% accurate (for starters a charge its not a tax) he rubbished my advice though as 'Kildare county council told him that on the phone'. And he said a county council official wouldn't be allowed to lie.

    I pray for our future.


  • #36
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Its pie in the sky. (like the excuses as to where the money will be going)

    Btw, I met my second person who admitted to paying the HHC today.
    Had to avail of a breakdown service today, and the tow truck guy (a nice elder guy prob in his mid to late sixties) and me got talking about the charge.

    He told me he paid it, he said he had to in order to get a tax clearance cert.

    I told him I didn't think that was 100% accurate (for starters a charge its not a tax) he rubbished my advice though as 'Kildare county council told him that on the phone'. And he said a county council official wouldn't be allowed to lie.

    I pray for our future.

    Someone in Kildare county council is telling porky's.

    That's what your €100 pays for, liars.


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  • #37
    Plazaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    staker wrote: »
    I still haven't received the warning letter about non-payment. Were they actually sent out or is that all pie in the sky?

    55c to post a letter but lets say there is a special "bulk post" rate for local authorities etc. 800,000 x 0.30c = €200,000. Dude.... we're broke!!!

    Your reminder letter will be sent out by psychic mail soon, you will be compelled to go in and pay out of the goodness of your heart.


  • #38
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    kr7 wrote: »
    Someone in Kildare county council is telling porky's.

    That's what your €100 pays for, liars.

    My sentiments exactly.

    So, almost four whole months since the deadline passed I've met two people who've paid this charge.

    I strongly suspect figures have been massaged.


  • #39
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    kr7 wrote: »
    Someone in Kildare county council is telling porky's.

    That's what your €100 pays for, liars.
    Didn't Ghandee relate the story of the guy he met today to us last week?


  • #40
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    Plazaman wrote: »
    55c to post a letter but lets say there is a special "bulk post" rate for local authorities etc. 800,000 x 0.30c = €200,000. Dude.... we're broke!!!

    Your reminder letter will be sent out by psychic mail soon, you will be compelled to go in and pay out of the goodness of your heart.

    They'll be able to E-mail all the suckers who've registered already for next year, should save a few quid:D


  • #41
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    dvpower wrote: »
    Didn't Ghandee relate the story of the guy he met today to us last week?

    He said it was the second person he's met who paid it....

    I know 4....


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  • #42
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    kr7 wrote: »

    I know 4....
    My deepest condolances to them.


  • #43
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dvpower wrote: »
    Didn't Ghandee relate the story of the guy he met today to us last week?

    No, the guy I 'related' to last week was the FIRST person.
    His reason being he was trying to sell the house.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79798881&postcount=5018


    Good attempt DV.


    More Hyperbole?


  • #44
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    OP,

    Have you paid the late payment fees yet?


  • #45
    dmmnnba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 ✭dmmnnba


    The local authorities are just waiting for the penalties to mount up to make it worthwhile pursuing those who haven't paid.
    Just as they are doing now with the NPPR.


  • #46
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    dvpower wrote: »
    My deepest condolances to them.

    That's what I said..


  • #47
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dmmnnba wrote: »
    The local authorities are just waiting for the penalties to mount up to make it worthwhile pursuing those who haven't paid.
    Just as they are doing now with the NPPR.

    Newsflash.

    People who haven't paid, won't pay.
    This includes 'penalties'.

    If they need money, they should start at the top (with their concurrent pension schemes, overinflated salaries, over generous expense entitlements) then work their way down.

    They backed the wrong horse when they backed the property tax one.

    800,000 can't be wrong.


  • #48
    maddragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭maddragon


    starviewadams wrote: »
    We still haven't heard anything about non-payment yet and neither have anyone else we know who didn't pay.

    When the letter eventually does arrive it will be going straight in the bin.

    Don't be too hasty. If it's printed on a nice soft parchment, I'll wipe my arse with it first. Waste not want not.


  • #49
    crazy cabbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭crazy cabbage


    ScumLord wrote: »
    So am I, but I live in a small town.

    To be honest I think one off housing should be banned and there should be proper town limits on building houses. It's the only way to provide proper services to people at a reasonable cost. I know many won't like that but I do think it's the only way to go forward.

    I see where you are coming from but at the same time i do not want a city/town life. Simple as. If that means i dont get the same quality of services from the goverment well then fair enough (not that they give that much service anyway). That is part and parcle with country life. I cant stand citys. They are ugly, noisy and messy. The people are meaner (no offense intended), there is no fresh air. No trees. People dont say hello when you pass them on the road. I would proberly cost the tax-payer my weight in gold living in the city becouse of the depression i would likly develope. I sound like an advert so will shut up. :o
    But that is a debate not ment for household charge tread. oops

    Back on topic

    Not paying. How can they expect people to pay for living in there house when they are just going to shovel it all into the hole that they have made by giving the banks billions of euro


  • #50
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Marcin_diy wrote: »
    I have paid 100 euro for property tax. Now almost half a year later 500.000 households still didn't pay it. What is government doing to get these money? is there any justice, or am I just stupid and officials won't bother to collect rest of money?

    You are in the majority, more than half of the target of €161 million has been collected. I read a week ago that 10,000 had paid following the first set of reminder letters being sent out. This would have generated and extra €140,000 in revenue because of the late payment penalty. The outstanding charge remains attached to the title of the property and will have to be discharged before the property can change hands so it will be collected eventually. Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream which is the norm in all other developed countries.

    So I think you did the right thing by not breaking the law and loading up penalties and legal difficulties for yourself or others in the future. There is evidence already that conveyancing solicitors are insisting that the charge is discharged in full (as they are legally obliged to do) before title can change hands. Every house will have to change hands eventually.

    All of this was pointed out extensively in the other threads but maybe new people are reading this one and being misled by the "Dont Register, Dont Pay" campaign. It would be worthwhile for anyone concerned to read the actual legislation.

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf


  • #51
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    Raise income tax.

    Very fair with regards to actual income.

    No brainer.


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  • #52
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    PC CDROM wrote: »
    Raise income tax.

    Very fair with regards to actual income.

    No brainer.

    Do you have a PAYE income, as a matter of interest?


  • #53
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You are in the majority, more than half of the target of €161 million has been collected. I read a week ago that 10,000 had paid following the first set of reminder letters being sent out. This would have generated and extra €140,000 in revenue because of the late payment penalty. The outstanding charge remains attached to the title of the property and will have to be discharged before the property can change hands so it will be collected eventually. Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream which is the norm in all other developed countries.

    So I think you did the right thing by not breaking the law and loading up penalties and legal difficulties for yourself or others in the future. There is evidence already that conveyancing solicitors are insisting that the charge is discharged in full (as they are legally obliged to do) before title can change hands. Every house will have to change hands eventually.

    All of this was pointed out extensively in the other threads but maybe new people are reading this one and being misled by the "Dont Register, Dont Pay" campaign. It would be worthwhile for anyone concerned to read the actual legislation.

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf

    Does that mean I can legally avoid paying the charge on the promise that I will pay all monies owed when I sell my house?

    Happy days?


  • #54
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Marcin_diy wrote: »
    I have paid 100 euro for property tax. Now almost half a year later 500.000 households still didn't pay it. What is government doing to get these money? is there any justice, or am I just stupid and officials won't bother to collect rest of money?

    You are in the majority, more than half of the target of €161 million has been collected. I read a week ago that 10,000 had paid following the first set of reminder letters being sent out. This would have generated and extra €140,000 in revenue because of the late payment penalty. The outstanding charge remains attached to the title of the property and will have to be discharged before the property can change hands so it will be collected eventually. Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream which is the norm in all other developed countries.

    So I think you did the right thing by not breaking the law and loading up penalties and legal difficulties for yourself or others in the future. There is evidence already that conveyancing solicitors are insisting that the charge is discharged in full (as they are legally obliged to do) before title can change hands. Every house will have to change hands eventually.

    All of this was pointed out extensively in the other threads but maybe new people are reading this one and being misled by the "Dont Register, Dont Pay" campaign. It would be worthwhile for anyone concerned to read the actual legislation.

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf
    Holy crap.....didn't realise Hogan was a boardsie!!


  • #55
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Do you have a PAYE income, as a matter of interest?


    Dunno tbh.

    PRSI?

    I have a normal job with normal taxes.


  • #56
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    PC CDROM wrote: »
    Does that mean I can legally avoid paying the charge on the promise that I will pay all monies owed when I sell my house?

    Happy days?

    Who would you make the promise to?


  • #57
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    PC CDROM wrote: »
    Dunno tbh.

    PRSI?

    I have a normal job with normal taxes.

    Ok, you do then. Most people already paying half their income in various taxes aren't that keen on paying any more of it. Just sayin'.


  • #58
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Who would you make the promise to?

    Whut?
    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Ok, you do then. Most people already paying half their income in various taxes aren't that keen on paying any more of it. Just sayin'.

    It is a fairer system.

    Tax what people earn. Simple really. 40% of 100 euro versus 40% of 1,000,000

    I'd like the later


  • #59
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    ScumLord wrote: »
    That's what happens when you build your house in the arse end of nowhere. If you want services build in a town.

    Where did i say i want services? I knew what I was getting when building in a rural area. I just dont want to pay for something i dont get.:confused:


  • #60
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭kr7


    maddragon wrote: »
    Don't be too hasty. If it's printed on a nice soft parchment, I'll wipe my arse with it first. Waste not want not.

    Trevor would like that.


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  • #61
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Some people are saying that the charge will be abolished after the next election but for this to happen the law will have to be removed from statute books. I cannot see any combination of parties which will do that and deny themselves in government of an income stream

    Or, deny themselves of a complete and utter headache that was never planned right, nor implemented right from day one.

    Then propose to raise these 'much needed' funds through a fairer more equitable manner than placing what is essentially a ground rent on the family home.

    (and don't get me started on the services we're already paying for)

    Introduce rates like they do in the north, and add the services that go with them. :

    http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/rates/money.asp

    Then, abolish all the fees we get for paying separately for said services, and then id consider paying.


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