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Alcohol AND drugs

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  • #32
    Honest opinion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Honest opinion


    Jesus Shaves wrote: »
    And perhaps you should try some before giving your honest opinion?

    I have ;)


  • #33
    Sea Filly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Sea Filly


    dttq wrote: »
    when it's in fact a drug no different from cannabis, coke, heroin etc. and probably as addictive as the latter two.

    As addictive as heroin or cocaine in crack form? No. I agree with parts of your post and yes, alcohol is a drug, but come on now. Don't know about you, but I personally don't find alcohol addictive. Some people do but I think heroin and crack would be addictive to more people than is alcohol.


  • #34
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Sea Filly wrote: »
    As addictive as heroin or cocaine in crack form? No. I agree with parts of your post and yes, alcohol is a drug, but come on now. Don't know about you, but I personally don't find alcohol addictive. Some people do but I think heroin and crack would be addictive to more people than is alcohol.
    A substance being addictive is a physiological effect on the human body, not on some humans bodies.

    Heroin and crack are more addictive than alcohol, ie it takes less use to develop a full physical addiction.


  • #35
    Sea Filly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Sea Filly


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    A substance being addictive is a physiological effect on the human body, not on some humans bodies.

    Heroin and crack are more addictive than alcohol, ie it takes less use to develop a full physical addiction.

    OK, well I don't find alcohol in any way addictive, because I am probably nowhere near drinking the amount one would have to drink to develop a dependency. So, I think it's wrong for the OP to say it's AS addictive as these substances, though some people seem to get addicted to alcohol more easily than others.


  • #36
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Sea Filly wrote: »
    OK, well I don't find alcohol in any way addictive, because I am probably nowhere near drinking the amount one would have to drink to develop a dependency. So, I think it's wrong for the OP to say it's AS addictive as these substances, though some people seem to get addicted to alcohol more easily than others.
    You can't say you don't find alcohol addictive because it is, if you did enough of it your body would need it to function normally.
    The average amount people take isn't enough to cause a change to the way their body functions, but this does not mean the substance is not addictive.

    This is like someone who has used a small amount of Heroin only a few times over a long period therefore not becoming physically addicted, saying "I don't find Heroin addictive". The only reason they would think that is if they haven't done enough, because it is incredibly addictive.


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  • #37
    Sunnyisland
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    It’s not always easy to see when your drinking has crossed the line from moderate or social use to problem drinking. But if you consume alcohol to cope with difficulties or to avoid feeling bad, you’re in potentially dangerous territory. Alcoholism and alcohol abuse can sneak up on you, so it’s important to be aware of the warning signs and take steps to cut back if you recognize them. Understanding the problem is the first step to overcoming it something that government agencies here failed to act on,as they well understand the problems alcoholism/abusive drinking costs the state.


  • #38
    Sunnyisland
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    Did I just kill the thread or is everybody gone to the pub :-)


  • #39
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    realies wrote: »
    Did I just kill the thread or is everybody gone to the pub :-)
    Hello. :D


  • #40
    Sunnyisland
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    Hi


  • #41
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    realies wrote: »
    Hi
    I think you're right, the have all gone to the pub or else to score.
    I'm only here cause I'm stoned and it's drizzling outside.
    Have you any good stories??


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  • #42
    Sunnyisland
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    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    I think you're right, the have all gone to the pub or else to score.
    I'm only here cause I'm stoned and it's drizzling outside.
    Have you any good stories??



    Well now Cu Giobach (cant do the fada) A bit of topic but I'm always amazed to hear of air crash victims so badly mutilated that they have to be identified by their dental records. What I can't understand is, if they don't know who you are, how do they know who your dentist is ? ;)


  • #43
    Real Life
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    alcohol is a gateway drug


  • #44
    Sea Filly
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    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    You can't say you don't find alcohol addictive because it is, if you did enough of it your body would need it to function normally.

    I know that, but as I basically drink feck all, I know it won't ever get to that point, so for all intents and purposes I don't and won't find it addictive. :cool:


  • #45
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Because ethanol dealers are respectable, upstanding members of d'community, many of them councillors and TDs.


  • #46
    Pushtrak
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    token101 wrote: »
    I can't tell if you're saying you have a job or you're saying you're unemployed! Either way, how has being off drink given you structure?
    And even granting structure, it says nothing about how good a person one is.


  • #47
    aaronjumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭aaronjumper


    Real Life wrote: »
    alcohol is a gateway drug

    Hmmmmmm no it's not. I've been drinking for years and while I have tried other things out of curiosity I went back to booze.
    It's my drug of choice.

    I think the reason people try to seperate the two is that booze has been legal for so long it's just considered the norm. I agree it's a drug but for all it's faults I don't think it's as bad as other drugs. All it does is amplify your current mood (yes I know there are chemicals in it that can bring you down) in my experience. If you drink when you're happy you will be happy, same as if you drink when you're angry or sad it will amplify those moods.

    Back to the point though, it is not a gateway drug.


  • #48
    Cú Giobach
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    Sea Filly wrote: »
    I know that, but as I basically drink feck all, I know it won't ever get to that point, so for all intents and purposes I don't and won't find it addictive. :cool:

    Whether or not you personally ever become addicted to something is utterly irrelevant as to whether or not it is an addictive substance.

    Using your very logic and reasoning I could say "I don't find heroin addictive", which for one of the most physically addictive substances known to man, would be just plain stupid.


  • #49
    Scioch
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    Because when most people see "drugs" they think of narcotics and dont associate the word drug with alcohol. So you have to highlight the fact that alcohol is included in this.

    Drugs are bad = Glad I dont do drugs, fcukin junkies *sips pint*

    Alcohol and drugs are bad = Everything is bad these days *sips pint*


  • #50
    Sunnyisland
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    Alcohol is a drug, and alcoholism is every bit as damaging as drug addiction. Alcohol addiction causes changes in the body and brain, and long-term alcohol abuse can have devastating effects on your health, your career, and your relationships. Alcoholics go through physical withdrawal when they stop drinking, just like drug users do when they quit.


  • #51
    tdv123
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    aaronjumper wrote: »
    Hmmmmmm no it's not. I've been drinking for years and while I have tried other things out of curiosity I went back to booze.
    It's my drug of choice.

    I think the reason people try to seperate the two is that booze has been legal for so long it's just considered the norm. I agree it's a drug but for all it's faults I don't think it's as bad as other drugs. All it does is amplify your current mood (yes I know there are chemicals in it that can bring you down) in my experience. If you drink when you're happy you will be happy, same as if you drink when you're angry or sad it will amplify those moods.

    Back to the point though, it is not a gateway drug.

    And if your good at darts you'll become a bit more dartsyer.


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  • #52
    ScumLord
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    Father Damo wrote: »
    It is to appeal to people aged over a certain age who might drink vodka for brekkie but would rather chop their leg off than take a recreational drug as they regard any illegal drug as being for addicts and scumbags. People of a different generation, 50 plus.
    I'd agree with that to a certain extent. I think saying "alcohol and drugs" is to highlight to certain people that drink is drugs too. If you just said drugs many would automatically exclude alcohol from the equation.


    In all truth I know alot more successful businessmen with chronic drink problems than I know successful stoners.
    Probably because the stoners can hide it better.

    From personal experience I would regard daily cannabis use as more harmful than daily alcohol use.
    That's one of the craziest things I've read. It's nonsense.
    Sea Filly wrote: »
    As addictive as heroin or cocaine in crack form? No. I agree with parts of your post and yes, alcohol is a drug, but come on now. Don't know about you, but I personally don't find alcohol addictive. Some people do but I think heroin and crack would be addictive to more people than is alcohol.
    Plenty of alchos littering the streets. They look almost identical to crack and heroin addicts.


  • #53
    dttq
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    Sea Filly wrote: »
    As addictive as heroin or cocaine in crack form? No. I agree with parts of your post and yes, alcohol is a drug, but come on now. Don't know about you, but I personally don't find alcohol addictive. Some people do but I think heroin and crack would be addictive to more people than is alcohol.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/nov/01/alcohol-more-harmful-than-heroin-crack

    Thank you Prof. Nutt. And I say this as someone with a dependence on the drink I'm not proud to admit. I'm just ****ing sick of our stalwartly approach towards getting tough on other drugs, when we tolerate alcohol so readily. Alcohol is a drug and additive, ironically many of the pro-prohibition people for cannabis etc. support locking people up for enjoying the moments of pleasure cannabis etc. can produce, are not only readily tolerant and oblivious to alcohol, but even boast about alcohol and it's place in our society. If I am not mistaken, Grainne Kelly, at the forefront of "Europe against drugs" was on television at one stage boasting about how cheap vodka was in other regions of Europe in comparison to Europe. This sort of mentality sums of my point, that people, including the pro-prohbition crowd, who often demonise substances like cannabis, mdma etc. often less harmful than alcohol, are oblivious to the fact that such substances are less harmful, addictive and habit forming than our favourite drug - alcohol.

    We currently have one of the most dangerous drugs legal and available as easily available in shops as sandwiches, sweets and breakfast cereals - and yet we criminalise men and women who indulge in other substances which are not alcohol, and often less dangerous. As seen here

    http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/blog/archives/458

    Alcohol is way more dangerous than substances now illegal, yet readily tolerated, and even more annoyingly not considered a drug.


  • #54
    Real Life
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    aaronjumper wrote: »
    Hmmmmmm no it's not. I've been drinking for years and while I have tried other things out of curiosity I went back to booze.
    It's my drug of choice.

    I think the reason people try to seperate the two is that booze has been legal for so long it's just considered the norm. I agree it's a drug but for all it's faults I don't think it's as bad as other drugs. All it does is amplify your current mood (yes I know there are chemicals in it that can bring you down) in my experience. If you drink when you're happy you will be happy, same as if you drink when you're angry or sad it will amplify those moods.

    Back to the point though, it is not a gateway drug.
    people are always saying marijuana is a gateway drug, i was just saying i think alcohol is as much a gateway drug as any. I stand by that.


  • #55
    dirtyden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    Honest opinion wrote: »
    I love these comments about about about the evils of alchol and how its the same as any other drug. To the poster that compared it to heroin all i can say is your ignorance realy shines through.

    Ive always been curious why after hours is so pro-drug when id suspect many have'nt realy expeirenced much apart from cannabis use recreationaly or even just once or twice. I'm basing that assumption off the fact that there is much discussion about legalisation of drugs with little to no conversation on the affects the substances e.g the empathy from Mdma or geometric patterns from use of pyscheldelics like 2-cb Lsd/Lsa mesceline e.t.c

    The reason im making this point is because for such a hot topic especialy on after hours you should realy research the effects of these drugs both negative and positive before championing there legalisation.

    End rant/

    Empathy, geometric patterns (are there any other kind of patterns).You are going to have to explain what you mean here, I must be a bit slow.

    Empathy is not something I would associate with MDMA, feelings of Euphoria yes, but empathy is quite different.

    Anyhow most of the posts were making some kind of commentary on the pluses and minuses of alcohol or other drugs in a more meaningful way than an obscure reference to geometric shapes and empathy.

    Basically alcohol, MDMA, cannabis etc are all poisons with potential dangerous phyiscal and mental effects.

    With dose control these effects can be quite limited or negligible so I would not be against legalisation of all soft drugs.


  • #56
    ScumLord
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    dirtyden wrote: »
    Basically alcohol, MDMA, cannabis etc are all poisons with potential dangerous phyiscal and mental effects.
    A bit of a generalised statement there. While alcohol is a toxic chemical that can kill you at high concentrations the same can't be said for cannabis. In real terms it's not toxic to the body at all. Not only that but cannabis may well protect your brain from the toxicity of alcohol.


  • #57
    dirtyden
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    A bit of a generalised statement there. While alcohol is a toxic chemical that can kill you at high concentrations the same can't be said for cannabis. In real terms it's not toxic to the body at all. Not only that but cannabis may well protect your brain from the toxicity of alcohol.

    Toxicity does not have to equal death but there is a dose of cannabis that will kill you (quite an unrealisitic dose). Skunk cannabis has been linked to deaths due to psychological effects. There seems to be a suggestion amongst many people that cannabis is harmless. It is not. Certainly no worse than booze, but not harmless.


  • #58
    mikom
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    dirtyden wrote: »
    Toxicity does not have to equal death but there is a dose of cannabis that will kill you (quite an unrealisitic dose).

    Much like water.

    dirtyden wrote: »
    Skunk cannabis has been linked to deaths due to psychological effects.

    Skunk cannabis lol.
    Pray tell what is Skunk cannabis?


  • #59
    ScumLord
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    dirtyden wrote: »
    Toxicity does not have to equal death but there is a dose of cannabis that will kill you (quite an unrealisitic dose).
    It's practically impossible to reach that dose, it can't be done smoking weed or ingesting it you'd have to make highly concentrated cannabis oil and then take gallons of it.
    Skunk cannabis has been linked to deaths due to psychological effects.
    Skunk cannabis is almost a myth. Skunk is one variety of the plant that's been around for decades and is by no means the strongest weed you can get. "skunk" as the media use the term is a complete fabrication.
    There seems to be a suggestion amongst many people that cannabis is harmless. It is not. Certainly no worse than booze, but not harmless.
    Nothings harmless, drink more than 5 litres of water in one sitting and it will kill you, even too much oxygen is toxic. It's so hard to use enough cannabis to do any actual damage that it might as well be considered harmless.


  • #60
    Temptamperu
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    dirtyden wrote: »
    Toxicity does not have to equal death but there is a dose of cannabis that will kill you (quite an unrealisitic dose). Skunk cannabis has been linked to deaths due to psychological effects. There seems to be a suggestion amongst many people that cannabis is harmless. It is not. Certainly no worse than booze, but not harmless.

    No it has not, stop making up facts. There has been never been a death associated with cannabis use or "skunk" The only time its linked is in tabloids which are full of government propaganda.
    I remember a documentary saying the amount of cannabis that would kill you is so astronomical it would never happen.

    Alcohol? yes there are a lot of cases of death, more and more every year.


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  • #61
    dirtyden
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    mikom wrote: »
    Much like water.




    Skunk cannabis lol.
    Pray tell what is Skunk cannabis?

    Are you equating narcotic drugs to water? Pretty much invalidates any argument you might make.

    The skunk is the really strong stuff i think, but i have probably made a pigs ear of the terminology.


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