Alcohol AND drugs

dttq · 21-07-2012 07:29PM #1

Why do I see this line so much, particularly in government pamphlets, alcohol AND drugs. i sometimes get the feeling that these recommendations give the impression that booze is not a drug. Alcohol is a drug no different from cannabis, or even cocaine or heroin. It's a mind altering substance, and one of the most additive substances on the face of the earth, as some studies have shown as additive as cocaine or heroin, and yet all I can see is studies with the headlines Alcohol AND drugs. What is the story with this, alcohol is one of the most addictive (certainly more addictive than illegal substances like cannabis) and yet we as a society try and console ourselves given our fondness for alcohol that it's not a drug, when it's in fact a drug no different from cannabis, coke, heroin etc. and probably as addictive as the latter two.

Booze is a drug, as additive and mind altering as any other substance, and yet I see leaflets etc. trying to separate it from drugs in general, when it is in fact probably one of the most additive and hard drugs on the face of the planet. As the old saying goes, does not compute. I guess perhaps that the pro-probhitiion crowd of other drugs are careful not to mix in alcohol, our favourite drug, with others to distinguish between drink and other drugs, often less harmless than booze, and yet illegal

im invisible · 21-07-2012 07:31PM

In before...

Kurz · 21-07-2012 07:35PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9tdcGmBefM

mikom · 21-07-2012 07:37PM

dttq wrote: »

Booze is a drug, as additive and mind altering as any other substance

As any other substance?
As addictive and mind altering as say... milk?

OMARS_COMING_ · 21-07-2012 07:38PM

Because alcohol is legal and not seen in the same light as illegal drugs,

dttq · 21-07-2012 07:38PM

im invisible wrote: »

In before...

In before an adult discussion on our hypocritical laws towards drugs, yet tolerance for booze (an additive drug no different from other prohibited substances in it's effect on the human body).

Good for you

dttq · 21-07-2012 07:44PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/mar/23/constitution.drugsandalcohol

mattjack · 21-07-2012 07:46PM

dttq wrote: »

Why do I see this line so much, particularly in government pamphlets, alcohol AND drugs. i sometimes get the feeling that these recommendations give the impression that booze is not a drug. Alcohol is a drug no different from cannabis, or even cocaine or heroin. It's a mind altering substance, and one of the most additive substances on the face of the earth, as some studies have shown as additive as cocaine or heroin, and yet all I can see is studies with the headlines Alcohol AND drugs. What is the story with this, alcohol is one of the most addictive (certainly more addictive than illegal substances like cannabis) and yet we as a society try and console ourselves given our fondness for alcohol that it's not a drug, when it's in fact a drug no different from cannabis, coke, heroin etc. and probably as addictive as the latter two.

Booze is a drug, as additive and mind altering as any other substance, and yet I see leaflets etc. trying to separate it from drugs in general, when it is in fact probably one of the most additive and hard drugs on the face of the planet. As the old saying goes, does not compute. I guess perhaps that the pro-probhitiion crowd of other drugs are careful not to mix in alcohol, our favourite drug, with others to distinguish between drink and other drugs, often less harmless than booze, and yet illegal

Welcome to AH .

cartell_best · 21-07-2012 07:46PM

I'm not ashamed to say I went through the mad phase of growing up! I over-indulged many times and genuinely couldn't blame the beer or drugs, only my own stupidity. I occupied casualty on a couple of occasions and it was through my friends that I did so. I regret doing so because there were people with cause to visit A & E and here was a fool who went too far. Btw, I paid my bills for doing so...Its true, the older you get, the less sense you have...(well, in my case)

xzanti · 21-07-2012 07:48PM

luckyfrank wrote: »

3 weeks off drink before today in that space i got a job, felt never better , postive can do attitude, and realised i hate my fuc/king bird, just cant stand the c/unt

Yes, being off the drink has really made you a better person

Go you.

Tombi! · 21-07-2012 07:49PM

Alcohol is a drug. It's not something different to drugs.

luckyfrank · 21-07-2012 07:53PM

xzanti wrote: »

Yes, being off the drink has really made you a better person Go you.

yes it has, instead of having nothing to do i have structure, anyone ever being unemployed ??? dying with a hangover you'll drink the next day, working you wont do that

so yes being off the drink has made me a better person

Wacker The Attacker · 21-07-2012 07:54PM

I love the gargle

luckyfrank · 21-07-2012 07:55PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I love the gargle

wacker from where ???

iainconlon12 · 21-07-2012 08:00PM

mikom wrote: »

As any other substance?
As addictive and mind altering as say... milk?

Actually, milk is addictive as it contains Casomorphins which is an opioid(addictive)

(sorry :P )

Seans_Username · 21-07-2012 08:02PM

Alcahol is a drug, yes. But ya don't go around saying "are ya going on the drugs tonight?" when ya want to go drinking.

Drugs is handier to say than narcotics or something official like that. Drugs refers to cocaine, heroin, cannabis, etc.

Also, as was said before, the legality of both of these 'drugs' is another difference.

You've taken this issue a bit too seriously.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 21-07-2012 08:07PM

I'd outlaw alcohol for my own personal gain. Myself and Jimmy '4 fingers' Gambino are going into the bootlegging trade together.

christmas2012 · 21-07-2012 08:46PM

alcohol is just as dangerous a drug if not more,ive seen more fights and scuffles due to alcohol,cannabis doesnt have that same effect you would never see two people or a gang fighting after a couple of smokes theyd be a little disorientated or lack co ordination but in general talkative,and happy..just happy out..

cartell_best · 21-07-2012 08:58PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

alcohol is just as dangerous a drug if not more,ive seen more fights and scuffles due to alcohol,cannabis doesnt have that same effect you would never see two people or a gang fighting after a couple of smokes theyd be a little disorientated or lack co ordination but in general talkative,and happy..just happy out..

I'm not one to judge or dictate but if ever there was a doubt, what went on in the phoenix park a couple of weeks ago went down with candy flipping or just tripping to trips that caused such a sad and silly result. Anyone that takes a few tokes off a smoke is granted, chilled out (in most instances)..but there are a lot of people out there that seem to be immune from that...I've seen lads just loose the plot....regardless of what class A are involved

iainconlon12 · 21-07-2012 10:04PM

cartell_best wrote: »

I'm not one to judge or dictate but if ever there was a doubt, what went on in the phoenix park a couple of weeks ago went down with candy flipping or just tripping to trips that caused such a sad and silly result. Anyone that takes a few tokes off a smoke is granted, chilled out (in most instances)..but there are a lot of people out there that seem to be immune from that...I've seen lads just loose the plot....regardless of what class A are involved

I thought most of that craic was due to alcohol, no?. Not much drugs cause as much anger as alcohol does but I guess it does depend on the person..

Jesus Shaves · 21-07-2012 10:07PM

luckyfrank wrote: »

3 weeks off drink before today in that space i got a job, felt never better , postive can do attitude, and realised i hate my fuc/king bird, just cant stand the c/unt

Lucky you

cartell_best · 21-07-2012 10:14PM

iainconlon12 wrote: »

I thought most of that craic was due to alcohol, no?. Not much drugs cause as much anger as alcohol does but I guess it does depend on the person..

It sure does....some peeps get whacked out of it with nurofen plus so its sad to think that class A and the likes cause peeps to go demented now...

Jeboa Safari · 21-07-2012 10:16PM

iainconlon12 wrote: »

I thought most of that craic was due to alcohol, no?. Not much drugs cause as much anger as alcohol does but I guess it does depend on the person..

I'd be fairly confident alcohol was involved, probably mixed with other drugs in some cases which isn't going to help

token101 · 21-07-2012 10:58PM

luckyfrank wrote: »

yes it has, instead of having nothing to do i have structure, anyone ever being unemployed ??? dying with a hangover you'll drink the next day, working you wont do that

so yes being off the drink has made me a better person

I can't tell if you're saying you have a job or you're saying you're unemployed! Either way, how has being off drink given you structure?

Defiler Of The Coffin · 22-07-2012 02:40AM

For taking paint off a gate - Alcohol > Cannabis

madma · 22-07-2012 03:11AM

drink is the worst drug out there IMO... when abused of course.. ive never known anyone that hasnt had a scaldy or dodgy moment on the booze.. how many folk have you seen been an a*sehole / d&ckhead on the booze compared to folk you've seen on any tye of other drug and also who has look mor ein danger of doing damage to themselves or others\?

Father Damo · 22-07-2012 03:59AM

dttq wrote: »

Why do I see this line so much, particularly in government pamphlets, alcohol AND drugs. i sometimes get the feeling that these recommendations give the impression that booze is not a drug.

It is to appeal to people aged over a certain age who might drink vodka for brekkie but would rather chop their leg off than take a recreational drug as they regard any illegal drug as being for addicts and scumbags. People of a different generation, 50 plus.

. What is the story with this, alcohol is one of the most addictive (certainly more addictive than illegal substances like cannabis)

In all truth I know alot more successful businessmen with chronic drink problems than I know successful stoners.

. I guess perhaps that the pro-probhitiion crowd of other drugs are careful not to mix in alcohol, our favourite drug, with others to distinguish between drink and other drugs, often less harmless than booze, and yet illegal

From personal experience I would regard daily cannabis use as more harmful than daily alcohol use. Not wanting to leve the house without a spliff first, the way it makes you procrastinate, temporary memory loss, it is definitely more life sapping than having a drink problem.

Cú Giobach · 22-07-2012 08:19AM

Father Damo wrote: »

It is to appeal to people aged over a certain age who might drink vodka for brekkie but would rather chop their leg off than take a recreational drug as they regard any illegal drug as being for addicts and scumbags. People of a different generation, 50 plus.

No offence but that's a very naive comment there.

If you went back in time to the 70's or 80's the "youngsters" of the day (my generation) were smoking dope, now we are in our 40's and 50's and many of us are still smoking it, the people who I used to buy from in the 80's are now in their 60's (one woman I know is now in her 70's

).
It's not about age.

On topic, I had an interesting chat with my father recently, he gave a "tut" and shake of his head muttering "drugs" watching the news one day (he's known for 30 years I've been "doing drugs") and he wasn't amused when I explained that his job as a barman for 20 years was really him dealing drugs for his own personal profit (though really to keep a roof over the heads of his family).

Honest opinion · 22-07-2012 10:31AM

I love these comments about about about the evils of alchol and how its the same as any other drug. To the poster that compared it to heroin all i can say is your ignorance realy shines through.

Ive always been curious why after hours is so pro-drug when id suspect many have'nt realy expeirenced much apart from cannabis use recreationaly or even just once or twice. I'm basing that assumption off the fact that there is much discussion about legalisation of drugs with little to no conversation on the affects the substances e.g the empathy from Mdma or geometric patterns from use of pyscheldelics like 2-cb Lsd/Lsa mesceline e.t.c

The reason im making this point is because for such a hot topic especialy on after hours you should realy research the effects of these drugs both negative and positive before championing there legalisation.

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Jesus Shaves · 22-07-2012 10:32AM

Honest opinion wrote: »

I love these comments about about about the evils of alchol and how its the same as any other drug. To the poster that compared it to heroin all i can say is your ignorance realy shines through.

Ive always been curious why after hours is so pro-drug when id suspect many have'nt realy expeirenced much apart from cannabis use recreationaly or even just once or twice. I'm basing that assumption off the fact that there is much discussion about legalisation of drugs with little to no conversation on the affects the substances e.g the empathy from Mdma or geometric patterns from use of pyscheldelics like 2-cb Lsd/Lsa mesceline e.t.c

The reason im making this point is because for such a hot topic especialy on after hours you should realy research the effects of these drugs both negative and positive before championing there legalisation.

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And perhaps you should try some before giving your honest opinion?

Cú Giobach · 22-07-2012 10:44AM

Honest opinion wrote: »

Ive always been curious why after hours is so pro-drug when id suspect many have'nt realy expeirenced much apart from cannabis use recreationaly or even just once or twice. I'm basing that assumption off the fact that there is much discussion about legalisation of drugs with little to no conversation on the affects the substances e.g the empathy from Mdma or geometric patterns from use of pyscheldelics like 2-cb Lsd/Lsa mesceline e.t.c
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I think that might have something to do with the charter, not what would be a rather odd lack of people who use drugs around here.

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