Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

klose · 20-07-2012 06:37PM

noodler wrote: »

I think Downing will improve.

I disagree with Chucky that he wasn't good enough when we signed him.

Two main reasons:

1) Someone who is consistently one of Villa's best players wouldn't be far off a place in a Liverpool team at the moment (or when we bought him)

2) We were sorely lacking in that department anyway so anything should have been an improvement.

Obviously it has not worked out like that but he has been "doing it" (for want of a better, less absolute word) for years in the EPL and arguably just had his best season at Villa when we signed him.

I don't think that that talent completely disappears after one season.

In fairness he cant really do any worse then last season :pac:

Anywhoooo GB are playing tonight and allen is in the squad, will watch it to see what he's like never took much notice of him during the season. More so looking forward to seeing brazil!

Hoki · 20-07-2012 06:38PM

opr wrote: »

Britain and Brazil olympic teams play tonight in a friendly at 7.45. Good chance to see Allen in action if he starts.

Opr

I've a vague recollection of that being advertised during the golf yesterday- its on Bbc right?

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 06:38PM

Hoki wrote: »

I've a vague recollection of that being advertised during the golf yesterday- its on Bbc right?

Yes.

K-9 · 20-07-2012 06:43PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm not fully comfortable with it, but I'm more comfortable with it than I am other things like:

- Charlie Adam seeing significant game time;
- Borrini leading the line for extended periods;
- Stewart Downing seeing significant game time;
- Carragher / Coates seeing significant game time;
- Not signing another attacker who walks into the first XI;
- Not signing another central / attacking midfielder who walks into the first XI;
- Not having players who can impact a game from the bench like Dirk Kuyt;

Spearing is far from our most pressing concern, that's the point.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Because we replaced him with a nothing replacement. I've answered this already today. If you're going to sack a living legend who took you to two cup finals it should be because you have a demonstrably superior replacement lined up. Instead we got Brendan ****ing Rodgers.

So the man who bought Downing, Adam and Coates, players you have doubts about, and used Kuyt and Maxi infrequently, and signed Henderson as another central midfielder for some strange reason, is better than Brendan Rodgers, a man who hasn't even managed us in a game yet?

Tell me what makes Rodgers less of a manager than the one who made all those cock ups you are moaning about? The fact he's a club legend shouldn't come into it.

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 06:46PM

K-9 wrote: »

So the man who bought Downing, Adam and Coates, players you have doubts about, and used Kuyt and Maxi infrequently, and signed Henderson as another central midfielder for some strange reason, is better than Brendan Rodgers, a man who hasn't even managed us in a game yet?

Tell me what makes Rodgers less of a manager than the one who made all those cock ups you are moaning about? The fact he's a club legend shouldn't come into it.

One manager has won trophies throughout his managerial career (including last season of all things!) at the highest level, the other manager has less than 40 games under his belt at the highest level.

I mean, come on now.

skydish79 · 20-07-2012 07:01PM

opr wrote: »

Britain and Brazil olympic teams play tonight in a friendly at 7.45. Good chance to see Allen in action if he starts.

Opr

Allen is starting

Butland, Richards, Tomkins, Caulker, Bertrand, Giggs, Allen, Cleverley, Sinclair, Bellamy, Sordell

K-9 · 20-07-2012 07:05PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

One manager has won trophies throughout his managerial career (including last season of all things!) at the highest level, the other manager has less than 40 games under his belt at the highest level.

I mean, come on now.

No, you come on now!

You posted a list of what needs to be done at the club and I'd agree with most of it, thing is, the man mainly responsible is our legend, you couldn't really make this up.

- Charlie Adam seeing significant game time;
- Borrini leading the line for extended periods;
- Stewart Downing seeing significant game time;
- Carragher / Coates seeing significant game time;
- Not signing another attacker who walks into the first XI;
- Not signing another central / attacking midfielder who walks into the first XI;
- Not having players who can impact a game from the bench like Dirk Kuyt;

Adam - Kenny signing.
Downing - Kenny signing.
Borrini - well if you have seen much of him, I'll bow to your superior knowledge, though how you know what Rodgers would do with money raised if Carroll is sold, I don't know.
Coates - Kenny signing. Maybe if he'd played him more in Cup matches last season you wouldn't have any doubts.
Striker, well Kenny signed Carroll and barely played him for 4 month last season.
CM/AM, Kenny signed Henderson, loaned Shelvey and Aqua, yet a season later we still need a CM/AM.
Not having players who can impact, well barring Bellamy and an odd good Kuyt cameo we hardly had that in abundance last season, well Carroll coming on at 87 minutes was a great use of subs.

If getting to 2 Cup finals, one of which he left out an inform Carroll satisfies you, and you can ignore our relegation form from Xmas, fair enough.

Melion · 20-07-2012 07:09PM

Lloyd, you never answered yesterday. TWO.CUP.FINALS and 17th is ok for Liverpool in your eyes, yes or no?

Colemania · 20-07-2012 07:20PM

skydish79 wrote: »

Allen is starting

Butland, Richards, Tomkins, Caulker, Bertrand, Giggs, Allen, Cleverley, Sinclair, Bellamy, Sordell

I don't know where you got that team but the actual starting XI tonight is:

Steele; Bertrand, Richards, Tomkins, Taylor; Cleverley, Allen, Giggs(c), Bellamy; Sturridge, Rose

Brazil: Rafael Cabral; Rafael, T. Silva, Juan, Marcelo; Sandro, Romulo, Oscar; Hulk, Damiao, Neymar.

What a team! Come on brazil

(and Allen......)

Mr Alan · 20-07-2012 07:24PM

Melion wrote: »

Lloyd, you never answered yesterday. TWO.CUP.FINALS and 17th is ok for Liverpool in your eyes, yes or no?

It's a stupid question. We didn't finish 17th. We were a little luck and/or the lack of an injury to Lucas from being there or there abouts for the top 4.

whatawaster · 20-07-2012 07:27PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

It's a stupid question. We didn't finish 17th. We were a little luck and/or the lack of an injury to Lucas from being there or there abouts for the top 4.

Every club gets injuries and most clubs get at least one important player missing large chunks of seasons.

The crime was Dalglish not replacing Lucas in January.

Sappy404 · 20-07-2012 07:28PM

Colemania wrote: »

I don't know where you got that team but the actual starting XI tonight is:

Steele; Bertrand, Richards, Tomkins, Taylor; Cleverley, Allen, Giggs(c), Bellamy; Sturridge, Rose

Brazil: Rafael Cabral; Rafael, T. Silva, Juan, Marcelo; Sandro, Romulo, Oscar; Hulk, Damiao, Neymar.

What a team! Come on brazil

(and Allen......)

You'll learn more about bats watching The Dark Knight Rises than you will about Allen while he's playing under Stuart Pearce.

Grayditch · 20-07-2012 07:33PM

whatawaster wrote: »

The crime was Dalglish not replacing Lucas in January.

I agree. I'd say there was no confidence in him, spending wise, by then, the though.

Mr Alan · 20-07-2012 07:37PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Every club gets injuries and most clubs get at least one important player missing large chunks of seasons.

The crime was Dalglish not replacing Lucas in January.

I don't think there was money to spend to be fair.

Mr Alan · 20-07-2012 07:39PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I agree. I'd say there was no confidence in him, spending wise, by then, the though.

I truly hope FSG aren't that retarded. Our spending this summer would seem to indicate they aren't & we just don't have the money.

Melion · 20-07-2012 07:41PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

It's a stupid question. We didn't finish 17th. We were a little luck and/or the lack of an injury to Lucas from being there or there abouts for the top 4.

Lloyd said you don't sack a manager who reaches TWO.CUP.FINALS unless you get relegated. So he wouldn't have wanted Kenny sacked if we finished 17th instead of 8th? It's good of you to stick up for him but I asked the organ grinder not the monkey.

djPSB · 20-07-2012 07:42PM

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Tosspottery. There's a word you don't read every day.

System.

Royal Legend · 20-07-2012 07:42PM

Bellers is starting for Great Britain tonight

5live · 20-07-2012 07:48PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Because we replaced him with a nothing replacement. I've answered this already today. If you're going to sack a living legend who took you to two cup finals it should be because you have a demonstrably superior replacement lined up. Instead we got Brendan ****ing Rodgers.

I am having a problem with you writing that, Lloyd. Fair enough if you think Kenny should have stayed but it is a moot point as he is gone and wont be coming back in anything other than a greeting guests capacity. I, for one, am willing to give him a chance. Yes, he has little experience but he built and managed a team playing some of the most solid and attractive football i saw last year with a bunch of relatively 'poor' players in a league where the default position is to shove long high balls into the box in the hope that something will happen. IMO, for that alone he is worth giving a shot.

I didnt see any queue of outstanding candidates fighting over the chance to manage us. You seem to forget that, based on last years form, we are the 8th best team in the PL. That form was presided over by Kenny. Now i love Kenny, always have, always will, since he first arrived and to this day. He was playing for and managing Liverpool for most of my best memories of my life but i cannot forget that he was in charge for the period of worst organisation and play that i have seen in nearly 40 years following the club. And, yes, i do include Hodgson in that statement:(

For pitys sake, give BR a chance. He hasnt even managed us in one match but already you are looking for his head? I respect your opinion but at least wait till he has lost the first match before looking for blood. Or are we as fickle as certain other un-named clubs currently above us in the league?

Now is the perfect time to start a NET SPEND section or discuss how Borini will fare on a wet wednesday night in November in the Britannia stadium. This has gone on far too long:mad::mad::mad:

LuckyLloyd · 20-07-2012 07:51PM

5live wrote: »

I am having a problem with you writing that, Lloyd. Fair enough if you think Kenny should have stayed but it is a moot point as he is gone and wont be coming back in anything other than a greeting guests capacity. I, for one, am willing to give him a chance. Yes, he has little experience but he built and managed a team playing some of the most solid and attractive football i saw last year with a bunch of relatively 'poor' players in a league where the default position is to shove long high balls into the box in the hope that something will happen. IMO, for that alone he is worth giving a shot.

I didnt see any queue of outstanding candidates fighting over the chance to manage us. You seem to forget that, based on last years form, we are the 8th best team in the PL. That form was presided over by Kenny. Now i love Kenny, always have, always will, since he first arrived and to this day. He was playing for and managing Liverpool for most of my best memories of my life but i cannot forget that he was in charge for the period of worst organisation and play that i have seen in nearly 40 years following the club. And, yes, i do include Hodgson in that statement:(

For pitys sake, give BR a chance. He hasnt even managed us in one match but already you are looking for his head? I respect your opinion but at least wait till he has lost the first match before looking for blood. Or are we as fickle as certain other un-named clubs currently above us in the league?

Now is the perfect time to start a NET SPEND section or discuss how Borini will fare on a wet wednesday night in November in the Britannia stadium. This has gone on far too long:mad::mad::mad:

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Melion · 20-07-2012 07:55PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Should I take your silence for the 3rd time as proof that you have no idea what you are talking about?

djPSB · 20-07-2012 07:58PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I don't care about Brendan Rodgers. I feel as much towards him as I do the thousands upon thousands of professional football coaches around the world who do not deserve to manage one of the greatest clubs in the world.

What I am against is what Rodger's appointment represents: a gross lowering of expectations and standards.

As to this:

Would you deny that:

- in terms of a majority, this thread wanted Benitez gone in 2009 / 10;
- in terms of a majority, Hodgson's appointment was well received in this thread (which I proved with a quote fest on the day Rodgers was appointed) and that there was a general sense of optimism this time two years ago;
- in terms of a majority, this thread turned on Kenny for the last few months of last season;
- in terms of a majority, this thread believes Brendan Rodgers to represent an upgrade when compared to Kenny Dalglish;

?

All companies and organisations suffer hard times as people change, get old, etc and it is impossible to freeze time. But such hard times represent terminal decline when people aligned to such entities allow themselves to forget what was once the status quo or give up fighting to restore it because it seems too damn hard.

When the majority of our fanbase are exuding optimism in a summer where Brendan Rodgers has been appointed and we are unlikely to sign any players above the ~£10m mark (when there are needs everywhere), we're in the **** big time. Irrelevancy beckons imo.

Give the man a chance.

It's not right to be so disrespectful to the man before a ball is even kicked.

Captain Morgan Freeman · 20-07-2012 07:58PM

To be fair to Lloyd he has said many times that he will get behind the team while watching the games and that a forum like this is the only time he gets critical about the club.

Melion · 20-07-2012 07:59PM

Captain Morgan Freeman wrote: »

To be fair to Lloyd he has said many times that he will get behind the team while watching the games and that a forum like this is the only time he gets critical about the club.

And like I said yesterday, it makes him a hypocrite of the highest order.

Jesus Wept · 20-07-2012 08:01PM

donfers wrote: »

does anyone think we may have paid a "small fee" to an unnamed club to make a bid for joe allen so that we are allowed to go and bid for him

Nothing would surprise me at this stage. There must be other options.

Captain Morgan Freeman · 20-07-2012 08:03PM

Melion wrote: »

And like I said yesterday, it makes him a hypocrite of the highest order.

Not really, he's not a fan of Rodgers and would have preferred Rafa. He's entitled to that opinion. When he's at the stadium of course he's going to get behind the team as he wants them to win and booing certainly won't help them achieve that.

Melion · 20-07-2012 08:05PM

Captain Morgan Freeman wrote: »

Not really, he's not a fan of Rodgers and would have preferred Rafa. He's entitled to that opinion. When he's at the stadium of course he's going to get behind the team as he wants them to win and booing certainly won't help them achieve that.

So going into the stadium and cheering on the team, coming home and giving out about a performance. That's a hypocrite no matter what way you look at it.

Its like pulling a bird and saying all the right things to her, how great she is and how good looking she is. Then going home to your mate and slagging her off.

5live · 20-07-2012 08:11PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Rafa is gone, Lloyd. I was sorry to see him go with all the crap behind the scenes but he aint coming back. No matter how much he loves the club and the city, he will not manage us again.

Just take a deep breath and exhale slowly, Lloyd, its time to let it go:(

Captain Morgan Freeman · 20-07-2012 08:13PM

There's blind loyalty and there's being realistic. Sitting in a stadium with 40,000 Liverpool fans isn't a time to be realistic, having a chat with some of your mates is. I hated the Hodgeson era and regularly brought up with my mates about how i wanted him gone, yet had i been to one of the games at that time of course i would have cheered the team as i wanted them to win.

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-07-2012 08:20PM

5live wrote: »

I didnt see any queue of outstanding candidates fighting over the chance to manage us. You seem to forget that, based on last years form, we are the 8th best team in the PL. That form was presided over by Kenny. Now i love Kenny, always have, always will, since he first arrived and to this day. He was playing for and managing Liverpool for most of my best memories of my life but i cannot forget that he was in charge for the period of worst organisation and play that i have seen in nearly 40 years following the club. And, yes, i do include Hodgson in that statement:(

Thats the bit i am hoping will improve this year. Too often it was like the players were just told to go out and play with little guidance. This means either this was the case or the players are too stupid to follow instructions (also think last summers signing lack an incredible amount of game intelligence but another story). At time we looked like turning a corner only revert to type playing and open game were players would seemingly sun through us at ease (post Lucas) and our forwards were isolated

I hope that this year we have a plan that you can see on the pitch. It seems like it was Rafas second last season we had anything that resembled a coherent plan that was persevered with

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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