Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

mike65 · 19-07-2012 03:24PM

Fair play to her, she could just swan about the house dressed in little more than satin knickers but instead she's out and about getting to know the lads.

missingtime · 19-07-2012 03:24PM

Whether or not we will qualify, it should still be our aim.

Aim for the sky and all that.

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 03:24PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Kuyt, Maxi and Aurellio gone
Borrini, Cole in

I'm not counting Aqua until September 1st.

How is that anything but an overall downgrade?

LL They didnt ****ing play last season. How is it a downgrade to lose players that did not play?

Dickerty · 19-07-2012 03:25PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Kuyt, Maxi and Aurellio gone
Borrini, Cole in

I'm not counting Aqua until September 1st.

How is that anything but an overall downgrade?

1. We are nowhere near finished the window yet.
2. Aurelio play bugger all, Robinson should have been back-up instead. That's practically an upgrade.
3. Both Maxi and Kuyt were past their best. Bringing through players like Sterling, and signing a young goalscorer like Borini, is the right thing to do. Losing the former two doesn't cost us hugely based on last season, and two very large wages off the bill...

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 03:25PM

Melion wrote: »

I'm sorry but bullshít. Kenny proved that he didn't have a clue how to manage in the premier league, Rodgers proved he does know how to.
We lost Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio
We have brought in Borini and Dempsey will most likely join. Thats an improvement straight away.

Yeah, a former Premier League winning manager has "no clue" how to manage in the Premier League.

Sure, the block of form Dalglish put together at the end of 2010 / 11 was superior to anything Rodgers has done at the top level for a recent comparison.

Drink up some more kool aid though, I hear it's nice and tangy and laced with unfounded optimism.

Dont be at yourself · 19-07-2012 03:26PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm deadly serious. Rodgers has shown nothing so far in management to indicate he is superior to Kenny Dalglish.

But weren't we terribly unlucky last year, hitting the woodwork a billion times, missing ten thousand penalties, having two key players Lucas and Gerrard injured for most of the season, and Suarez banned for a third of it?

Those are things that are unlikely to repeat themselves this year, so even if Rodgers is the chump he's been made out to be, it'll be hard not to improve on last season's performance.

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 03:26PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm deadly serious. Rodgers has shown nothing so far in management to indicate he is superior to Kenny Dalglish.

Leave it go dude.....

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 03:27PM

NukaCola wrote: »

LL They didnt ****ing play last season. How is it a downgrade to lose players that did not play?

I happen to remember that Kuyt chap popping up at vital moments in our biggest results of the season. Strange that you have forgotten about them.

Melion · 19-07-2012 03:27PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm deadly serious. Rodgers has shown nothing so far in management to indicate he is superior to Kenny Dalglish.

Kenny IMO showed last season he didn't have a clue in the league.

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 03:28PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Leave it go dude.....

No. Sacking Kenny Dalglish to replace him with Brendan ****ing Rodgers is an absolute disgrace of the highest order, and will forever sully my relationship with the club.

That it came exactly two years after we sacked Rafael Benitez to replace him with Roy ****ing Lodgson just compounds the hurt.

We deserve no success, try not to forget that.

Melion · 19-07-2012 03:29PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yeah, a former Premier League winning manager has "no clue" how to manage in the Premier League.

Sure, the block of form Dalglish put together at the end of 2010 / 11 was superior to anything Rodgers has done at the top level for a recent comparison.

Drink up some more kool aid though, I hear it's nice and tangy and laced with unfounded optimism.

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. He won the league in 1995 ffs, football has changed since then and if you can't realise that then you're beyond help.

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 03:29PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I happen to remember that Kuyt chap popping up at vital moments in our biggest results of the season. Strange that you have forgotten about them.

I haven't. That if anything shows how inept Kennys tactis were. Under use Kuyt and overuse Henderson on the right.

Melion · 19-07-2012 03:30PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No. Sacking Kenny Dalglish to replace him with Brendan ****ing Rodgers is an absolute disgrace of the highest order, and will forever sully my relationship with the club.

How far did we have to sink before you would say, enough is enough, time for Kenny to go? Try to ignore his history as a player for a second.

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 03:33PM

Melion wrote: »

How far did we have to sink before you would say, enough is enough, time for Kenny to go? Try to ignore his history as a player for a second.

TWO CUP FINALS

TWO CUP FINALS

You don't sack a manager who got you to two cup finals unless he also got you relegated ffs.

TWO. CUP. FINALS.

Sink? lol

Melion · 19-07-2012 03:35PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

TWO CUP FINALS

TWO CUP FINALS

You don't sack a manager who got you to two cup finals unless he also got you relegated ffs.

TWO. CUP. FINALS.

Sink? lol

So you'd be happy with TWO.CUP.FINALS and finishing 17th?

SlickRic · 19-07-2012 03:35PM

comparing the hiring of Hodgson to the hiring of Rodgers is really uncalled for IMO.

Hodgson had proved he couldn't cut it at the level he was thrust in at before arriving.

Rodgers is an excellent young manager who is still to prove he can cut it at the level he is being thrust in at, and has the potential to make it.

big difference IMO.

this is a big risk, and could of course turn into failure, but it's not nailed on like you're suggesting LL.

and keeping Kenny on would've been a risk as well, let's not forget that.

That_Guy · 19-07-2012 03:36PM

gafferino wrote: »

We need CL to attract top players. Simple as.

Not necessarily. Cabaye left Lille who had just won Ligue 1 with Champions League football to join us. Likewise Ben Arfa though that was initially on loan.

gafferino · 19-07-2012 03:36PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No. Sacking Kenny Dalglish to replace him with Brendan ****ing Rodgers is an absolute disgrace of the highest order, and will forever sully my relationship with the club.

That it came exactly two years after we sacked Rafael Benitez to replace him with Roy ****ing Lodgson just compounds the hurt.

We deserve no success, try not to forget that.

WTF? You have sullied my relationship with this thread with your claptrap.

I am pie · 19-07-2012 03:37PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yeah, a former Premier League winning manager has "no clue" how to manage in the Premier League.

Sure, the block of form Dalglish put together at the end of 2010 / 11 was superior to anything Rodgers has done at the top level for a recent comparison.

Drink up some more kool aid though, I hear it's nice and tangy and laced with unfounded optimism.

If you went to a pre-season game and bad mouthed the manager the way you are on this forum, you'd be ran out of town. It's completely inane, moronic and downright ignorant to criticise the new manager about transfers before the window is shut, about how his team will perform before they have kicked a ball. It's even more moronic to launch these blithe criticisms without any hint of context (how much money we have, fact that the club is no longer a big draw without CL football etc).

Rogers was interviewed and selected as the best available candidate. I stand behind him and 100% against the internet spite merchants even more so, knives sharpened and claws ready before we have even played a game. Ridiculous, utterly utterly ridiculous.

For some it's drinking kool aid, for other's is supporting our team, our manager and our players. You stay on the cynical side of the fence, enjoy the gloom.

Simply put, I think your judgement is warped out of all context by your feelings on the previous 2 managers, you're demonstrably not able to be rational.

noodler · 19-07-2012 03:37PM

SlickRic wrote: »

comparing the hiring of Hodgson to the hiring of Rodgers is really uncalled for IMO.

Hodgson had proved he couldn't cut it at the level he was thrust in at before arriving.

Rodgers is an excellent young manager who is still to prove he can cut it at the level he is being thrust in at, and has the potential to make it.

big difference IMO.

this is a big risk, and could of course turn into failure, but it's not nailed on like you're suggesting LL.

and keeping Kenny on would've been a risk as well, let's not forget that.

What a weird way of looking at it.

I could easily spin to say Hodgson is more experienced with bigger teams.

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 03:38PM

gafferino wrote: »

WTF? You have sullied my relationship with this thread with your claptrap.

What do you mean 'wtf'? If you're going to remove a living legend that just won you your first trophy in six years you'd want to be replacing him with a top tier replacement. Particularly when the club concerned paid dearly for the same bull**** two seasons previous.

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 03:39PM

SlickRic wrote: »

and keeping Kenny on would've been a risk as well, let's not forget that.

Not as big a risk as Rodgers though. Llyod is right to point out that people who think otherwise are incredibly deluded.

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 03:40PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No. Sacking Kenny Dalglish to replace him with Brendan ****ing Rodgers is an absolute disgrace of the highest order, and will forever sully my relationship with the club.

That it came exactly two years after we sacked Rafael Benitez to replace him with Roy ****ing Lodgson just compounds the hurt.

We deserve no success, try not to forget that.

Let go of the hate....

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 03:42PM

I am pie wrote: »

Rogers was interviewed and selected as the best available candidate.

Oh sweet Jesus

Melion · 19-07-2012 03:42PM

Lloyd, why are you so deadset against Rodgers? Forget your ridiculous man love for Kenny for a minute and give me one reason why BR isn't good enough for the job. If you even dream of saying he hasn't the experience it will show how ridiculous your argument is.

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 03:45PM

I am pie wrote: »

If you went to a pre-season game and bad mouthed the manager the way you are on this forum, you'd be ran out of town. It's completely inane, moronic and downright ignorant to criticise the new manager about transfers before the window is shut, about how his team will perform before they have kicked a ball. It's even more moronic to launch these blithe criticisms without any hint of context (how much money we have, fact that the club is no longer a big draw without CL football etc).

Rogers was interviewed and selected as the best available candidate. I stand behind him and 100% against the internet spite merchants even more so, knives sharpened and claws ready before we have even played a game. Ridiculous, utterly utterly ridiculous.

For some it's drinking kool aid, for other's is supporting our team, our manager and our players. You stay on the cynical side of the fence, enjoy the gloom.

Simply put, I think your judgement is warped out of all context by your feelings on the previous 2 managers, you're demonstrably not able to be rational.

At a game I would support the team vociferously, as I did for every game Lodgson was in charge of. This isn't a stadium. The players are not playing in here or reading what any of us write. This is the perfect time and place to voice opinions about the direction this club is taking.

Something has been lost the past few years, and I don't think it will ever be found again. The fanbase are culpable in that regard, too willing to buy into simple media rubbish.

And lol at the bolded. Where was the support for the manager last year when the going got rough? As always, the difference in my viewpoint can be summarised simply:

- I don't get optimistic just because it's a new season / new manager and I'm "supposed to";
- I don't get the knives out on winners who have done so much for this club when the going gets rough;

Respect is earned. Dalglish earned it. Benitez earned it. Rodgers will have to earn it too.

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 03:45PM

I can see where LL is coming from....

I dont know of anyone, if told Kenny was getting the boot and Rodgers would be the new manager, before Kenny was sacked, that would be happy with that decision.

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 03:46PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

At a game I would support the team vociferously, as I did for every game Lodgson was in charge of. This isn't a stadium. The players are not playing in here or reading what any of us write. This is the perfect time and place to voice opinions about the direction this club is taking.

Something has been lost the past few years, and I don't think it will ever be found again. The fanbase are culpable in that regard, too willing to buy into simple media rubbish.

And lol at the bolded. Where was the support for the manager last year when the going got rough? As always, the difference in my viewpoint can be summarised simply:

- I don't get optimistic just because it's a new season / new manager and I'm "supposed to";
- I don't get the knives out on winners who have done so much for this club when the going gets rough;

Respect is earned. Dalglish earned it. Benitez earned it. Rodgers will have to earn it too.

Great post.

Melion · 19-07-2012 03:47PM

NukaCola wrote: »

I can see where LL is coming from....

I dont know of anyone, if told Kenny was getting the boot and Rodgers would be the new manager, before Kenny was sacked, that would be happy with that decision.

I was ****ing delighted. Rafa was my first choice but BR was a close second

Kess73 · 19-07-2012 03:47PM

That_Guy wrote: »

Not necessarily. Cabaye left Lille who had just won Ligue 1 with Champions League football to join us. Likewise Ben Arfa though that was initially on loan.

Likewise Tiote.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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