Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 01:34PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Clubs wanted Kuyt and Maxi.
How do we get rid of a player nobody wants.

I have no doubt there'd be newly promoted clubs interested in Cole.

We should just quite publically say he's available on a free. That'll free up someone to pay close to his extortionate salary or give him a chunky signing on fee. West Ham or the likes.

Similar to the way we've played the Carroll situation, less still expecting to get a big fee after saying we don't want him :rolleyes:

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 01:38PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Similar to the way we've played the Carroll situation, less still expecting to get a big fee after saying we don't want him :rolleyes:

Is there actually a quote from anyone at the club stating that we dont want him or are you starting the same ****e you have been for the last few days again........

Dickerty · 19-07-2012 01:39PM

NukaCola wrote: »

From Skrtel

He said: "I am a player of Liverpool because I have a valid contract here. There exist a number of offers but without the permission of Liverpool nothing can move forward.

"We have been in talks about a new contract but it has not moved forward. At the moment I am a Liverpool player and what happens in future in football you can never foresee.

"Anything can happen but for now I have a valid contract and what is to come will come."

Dont like the sound of that...

I p***es me off royally that clubs can make salary offers to one of our players via their agent without speaking to us first. I am sure we do it too, but it's the most irritating thing about the agent function...

Anyway, we need to keep him, but the same applies to him as to Agger - they are stand-out defenders, very few out there in that calibre, so any bid would need to be VERY substantial.

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 01:41PM

Dickerty wrote: »

I p***es me off royally that clubs can make salary offers to one of our players via their agent without speaking to us first. I am sure we do it too, but it's the most irritating thing about the agent function...

Is that correct? It cant be legal though can it? Surely thats tapping up a player?

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 01:41PM

Are you pretending we do want to keep Carroll now!?

The club has been quite clear on where they stand. He is available & not in the managers plans. If you agree with the clubs stance, at least have the courage of your convictions & back it up, rather than pretending that we actually wanna keep him.

amiable · 19-07-2012 01:43PM

Dickerty wrote: »

I p***es me off royally that clubs can make salary offers to one of our players via their agent without speaking to us first. I am sure we do it too, but it's the most irritating thing about the agent function...

Anyway, we need to keep him, but the same applies to him as to Agger - they are stand-out defenders, very few out there in that calibre, so any big would need to be VERY substantial.

Every club does it. Nothing new I'm afraid. It just seems to hurt when it's your team with a player being tapped up.

The one thing I took from that article was that Skrtel gave the interview before leaving for America on tour yet Sky only covering it now.
There's a good chance something will be lost in translation IMHO.

Also Ben Smith seems pretty certain Liverpool will keep all the players they want to keep this summer.

shotamoose · 19-07-2012 01:50PM

The most likely outcome is that Andy Carroll will stay, continue to turn in the same mix of good and bad performances he did last year, and people here will put the blame on Rodgers for "unsettling the lad".

skywalker · 19-07-2012 02:00PM

Dickerty wrote: »

I p***es me off royally that clubs can make salary offers to one of our players via their agent without speaking to us first. I am sure we do it too, but it's the most irritating thing about the agent function...

Anyway, we need to keep him, but the same applies to him as to Agger - they are stand-out defenders, very few out there in that calibre, so any bid would need to be VERY substantial.

Sure Rodgers has now mentioned 2 players from other teams publicly in the last few days, it amounts to the same thing. Its the only thing Id criticise Rodgers on so far tbh.

gafferino · 19-07-2012 02:01PM

from Skits.....

Skrtel added: "It is difficult to compare but I must highlight the openness of the new manager.

"He told us right on the first training session we had the door open any time and anything we need we should come to him. He is a little bit different from Dalglish in this."

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 02:01PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Are you pretending we do want to keep Carroll now!?

The club has been quite clear on where they stand. He is available & not in the managers plans. If you agree with the clubs stance, at least have the courage of your convictions & back it up, rather than pretending that we actually wanna keep him.

I'm not getting into this with you for yet another day of absolute bollox. My stance is clear, read back through the thread if your that bothered by it. Your like a broken record.

amiable · 19-07-2012 02:04PM

I think Skrtel is just looking for a big contract

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 02:07PM

amiable wrote: »

I think Skrtel is just looking for a big contract

Let your agent do his job and keep quiet then.....IMO

gafferino · 19-07-2012 02:08PM

or maybe just a nice bag...

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 02:09PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Harsh?

Fair.

MD1990 wrote: »

maybe u should rename yourself Psycho Lloyd lol
he was very poor the first year at the club but over his career he has been a decent player

No, hold on there a cotton picking minute. He wasn't merely "poor". He was lazy, disinterested, presumptious and ultimately amounted to the worst value for money in the entire league relative to what he was / is being paid.

Joe Cole is a shining beacon of the last few years. Something that was once very good now awful and amounting to a shell of what it should be.

Giving him any quarter is an acceptance that standards are lower than ever. Have you given up on what this football club is supposed to be about? Because it sure sounds like it if you suggest Cole is in any way, shape or form a "positive" influence. He should be suspended from all training and team activities, have his access to the club and training facilities rescinded and told that the only way he will play football over the remaining period of his contract is if he engineers a permenant deal away from the club. **** him.

MD1990 · 19-07-2012 02:12PM

Clint Dempsey was left out of Fulhams squad in there friendly last night

Dont be at yourself · 19-07-2012 02:16PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Fair.

No, hold on there a cotton picking minute. He wasn't merely "poor". He was lazy, disinterested, presumptious and ultimately amounted to the worst value for money in the entire league relative to what he was / is being paid.

Joe Cole is a shining beacon of the last few years. Something that was once very good now awful and amounting to a shell of what it should be.

Giving him any quarter is an acceptance that standards are lower than ever. Have you given up on what this football club is supposed to be about? Because it sure sounds like it if you suggest Cole is in any way, shape or form a "positive" influence. He should be suspended from all training and team activities, have his access to the club and training facilities rescinded and told that the only way he will play football over the remaining period of his contract is if he engineers a permenant deal away from the club. **** him.

Jesus, the histrionics of some people on here are laughable.

To be fair to Cole, he never got a crack of the whip at Liverpool. He joined us during the most tumultuous year in our history, playing under a manager who had the likes of Torres and Agger looking like Sunday league footballers. Dalglish came in and didn't fancy him -- but then Dalglish also fancied Adam at £8 million, so that doesn't say much. The fact that he went out on loan to Lille speaks volumes for his desire to play football.

Joe Cole is not going to win us the league, or be central to our team. But to suggest that he has nothing to offer us is just as ridiculous. He's not the fittest or fastest, but he is one of England's most technically gifted players and offers more intelligence in his play than many others in the squad.

Chucky the tree · 19-07-2012 02:16PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

He hasn't been a decent player in quite some time.

If we let the likes of Kuyt & Maxi go & keep Joe Cole, I despair.

Maxi wanted to leave and a club wanted him.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He wasn't merely "poor". He was lazy, disinterested, presumptious and ultimately amounted to the worst value for money in the entire league relative to what he was / is being paid.

Sounds like Andy Carroll for his first 15 months.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 19-07-2012 02:19PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Jesus, the histrionics of some people on here are laughable.

To be fair to Cole, he never got a crack of the whip at Liverpool. He joined us during the most tumultuous year in our history, playing under a manager who had the likes of Torres and Agger looking like Sunday league footballers. Dalglish came in and didn't fancy him -- but then Dalglish also fancied Adam at £8 million, so that doesn't say much. The fact that he went out on loan to Lille speaks volumes for his desire to play football.

Joe Cole is not going to win us the league, or be central to our team. But to suggest that he has nothing to offer us is just as ridiculous. He's not the fittest or fastest, but he is one of England's most technically gifted players and offers more intelligence in his play than many others in the squad.

Oh for the love of god Liverpool fans and there "he never got a crack of the whip" bullsh1t.

Want do you want them to play 50 sh1te games before making judgement. One player can make all the differnce in a football, good or bad.

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 02:22PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sounds like Andy Carroll for his first 15 months.

That's simply not true in the slightest.

You seem to deluding yourself somewhat so when we allow him go on loan/sell for a low fee you are able to justify it.

Chucky the tree · 19-07-2012 02:25PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

That's simply not true in the slightest.

You seem to deluding yourself somewhat so when we allow him go on loan/sell for a low fee you are able to justify it.

Of course Al, you're right. He was brilliant in his first 15 months, looked so fit and sharp everytime he went on the pitch. Arguable demonstrated himself to be a amazing value for money.

Yep, I'm the deluded one. I can already justify him going for a low fee, I did watch him play all of last year after all.

Kess73 · 19-07-2012 02:27PM

NukaCola wrote: »

Clubs wanted Kuyt and Maxi.
How do we get rid of a player nobody wants.

The Mersey.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 19-07-2012 02:27PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Of course Al, you're right. He was brilliant in his first 15 months, looked so fit and sharp everytime he went on the pitch. Arguable demonstrated himself to be a amazing value for money.

Yep, I'm the deluded one. I can already justify him going for a low fee, I did watch him play all of last year after all.

I think what he means is, when the Cole comment said lazy, disinterested, presumptious. You couldnt really put Carroll in this bracket, although not good enough, he did try.

Knex* · 19-07-2012 02:29PM

Had to laugh when reading the Carra interview and all his talk on systems. He's practically trolling this forum with some of this stuff.

“Of course the manager has slightly different ideas compared to Kenny [Dalglish] or Rafa [Benítez] and 4-3-3 is a system the club has probably never tried before. Everyone has their own way they want to do things.

“You can’t say we’re going to play like Spain or Barcelona,” he said. “We haven’t got the players so there’s no point us saying we want to do exactly what they do, but you want to incorporate some of it with some of your own style.

"We’ll be playing a similar system to Barcelona, that’s true, but we don’t have Xavi and Iniesta. There’s nothing wrong with trying incorporate what the best teams do, though. But we have different ideas and we’re in a different league.

Some people are big on systems, some people are big on players.

“Some say it's the players who make the system, others say it's the system that makes the difference.

“I think systems do play a part otherwise why not all play the same system? But it's still about players and them having the confidence and the belief to get on the ball and play.”

Someone get him on boards quick

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 02:30PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Jesus, the histrionics of some people on here are laughable.

To be fair to Cole, he never got a crack of the whip at Liverpool. He joined us during the most tumultuous year in our history, playing under a manager who had the likes of Torres and Agger looking like Sunday league footballers. Dalglish came in and didn't fancy him -- but then Dalglish also fancied Adam at £8 million, so that doesn't say much. The fact that he went out on loan to Lille speaks volumes for his desire to play football.

Joe Cole is not going to win us the league, or be central to our team. But to suggest that he has nothing to offer us is just as ridiculous. He's not the fittest or fastest, but he is one of England's most technically gifted players and offers more intelligence in his play than many others in the squad.

Jesus, the revisionism engaged in by some people on here is laughable.

He wasn't getting on the bench under Dalglish. Why? Because he was being a lazy bollocks. There were rumours about his "confidence" and other such nonesense.

Joe Cole is a failed footballer on money time footballer wages. He will do nothing positive for the rest of his Liverpool career. Beaten docket, and fans / management / owners should be actively hounding him out of the club. **** him.

Mr Alan · 19-07-2012 02:30PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Of course Al, you're right. He was brilliant in his first 15 months, looked so fit and sharp everytime he went on the pitch. Arguable demonstrated himself to be a amazing value for money.

Thats not quite what I said.

Dont be at yourself · 19-07-2012 02:31PM

Jazlynn Lively Handbag wrote: »

Oh for the love of god Liverpool fans and there "he never got a crack of the whip" bullsh1t.

Want do you want them to play 50 sh1te games before making judgement. One player can make all the differnce in a football, good or bad.

20 appearances in our worst team since before Shankly is enough now, is it?

What if your opinion of Agger, Johnson and Torres were based on what you saw under Roy's regime? Or of Crouch's first 20 games for Liverpool?

The 'he never got a crack of the whip bullsh1t' isn't bull****. It's support. People on here bleat and whinge about how all fans want nowadays is instant gratification and only care about the short-term. They'll have tantrums and mental breakdowns about how it's madness to sell Andy Carroll after 18 ineffectual months, and at the same literally are telling Joe Cole -- who has won more and played in better teams than big Andy likely ever will - to **** off. Where's the perspective?

Chucky the tree · 19-07-2012 02:32PM

Jazlynn Lively Handbag wrote: »

I think what he means is, when the Cole comment said lazy, disinterested, presumptious. You couldnt really put Carroll in this bracket, although not good enough, he did try.

You should watch him from the start of the season. He looked extremely unfit.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Thats not quite what I said.

Not nice when people twist what you say, is it?

NukaCola · 19-07-2012 02:36PM

This thread has it all.....

Knex* · 19-07-2012 02:37PM

Cole gave a nice interview and he seems like a nice lad. However, he has been nothing short of a disaster for Liverpool and we should be doing everything to get him out of the club.

Watching him play the year before last was one of the most depressing sites in football. I won't go on as I've said my bit about him a good few times here, but I will be majorly disappointed if he is perceived as a valued member of the squad in four weeks time.

LuckyLloyd · 19-07-2012 02:39PM

Knex. wrote: »

Cole gave a nice interview and he seems like a nice lad. However, he has been nothing short of a disaster for Liverpool and we should be doing everything to get him out of the club.

Watching him play the year before last was one of the most depressing sites in football. I won't go on as I've said my bit about him a good few times here, but I will be majorly disappointed if he is perceived as a valued member of the squad in four weeks time.

If Joe Cole starts 10 or more games next season then we're ****ed, because it will mean the squad is far, far too weak for us to get near achieving our goals.

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