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Teenagers experimenting with illegal substances.

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  • #62
    KKkitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    An0n wrote: »
    KKkitty wrote: »
    My thinking on this is that right a parent knowingly lets their teenager do drugs, teenager thinks to self "ah no mam or dad don't mind if I do this" so their enthusiasm wanes fairly quickly. It's not a bad idea what the OP has suggested. Parents would know what their kids were taking and a rough estimate of how much. Cannibas is fairly harmless but all other drugs should be left as illegal substances.

    No no no. I mean that when they do experience it; they're well educated in the dangers and all the information regarding the drug.

    It wouldn't be just 'here you go son, try this' as I kindof picked up from your post.
    Meant it in the way that teenager is open about experimentation to their parents and parents regulate usage. Cannabis isn't highly addictive. I smoked various forms of it for a few years and could give up no problem. The same couldn't be said for alcohol and cigarettes though.


  • #63
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    Where To wrote: »
    Anseo.:)

    I think weed is vile, smells awful, and is a bit too mindaltering for my liking.

    Not that I'm against it per se, whatever anyone else wants to fuk themselves up with isn't my concern, I just think it's sh1t.

    weed does not fuk you up in the slightest. It is not addicting and it has no after effects.And weed smells lovely. SOme people are born to be smokers(like the smell of smoke, petrol) so some people have that they like the smell of it.
    I love the smell of weed and smoke and petrol and im completely normal and i know many kids who like those smells too.


  • #64
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    I stupidly took an E about 3 years ago, just the once. My mother would probably die if she knew, let alone let me take one at home under her supervision.

    This is something I can see the next generation doing with their children. More and more things like this are becoming social norms so by the time they grow up taking drugs recreationally may even be tolerated like smoking is now.

    Interesting point. It seems to be something that is frequenting but that just means there's more trust. I wouldn't break the trust I have with my father for the world.

    I doubt it would reach that extreme as you mentioned though. Unless it's minor stimulants or canabis or any low impact amphetamines.
    Nothing major though.


  • #65
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    An0n wrote: »
    With safe tablet additives and fillers, and correct hydration and environment; MDMA could 'probably' be a very productive stimulant.

    But stimulants are addictive naturally, because of the heightened focus and feel good nature of the drug. Like nicotine on a greater scale.
    I think MDMA should stay illegal, but still have people educated about it. Because it is one of the most common drugs out there and extremely cheap.

    I'm glad to see that not everybody has the "people who have tried ecstasy are scumbag junkies who will become addicted and destroy their lives" mind frame. MDMA isn't actually a stimulant however, it's an empathogen. Although it is an amphetamine, it does not help with cognitive performance.
    I agree - it should remain illegal, but the penalties should be made a bit more relaxed for possession for personal use and people should be educated on how to take it responsibly rather than "don't take it because you'll die", because if people want to try it, they will. Not many people however know how to get testing kits to test their pills (or how simple it is to do), the importance of staying hydrated and not mixing the drug with alcohol, etc.


  • #66
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    An0n wrote: »
    Interesting point. It seems to be something that is frequenting but that just means there's more trust. I wouldn't break the trust I have with my father for the world.

    I doubt it would reach that extreme as you mentioned though. Unless it's minor stimulants or canabis or any low impact amphetamines.
    Nothing major though.

    Thank you! thats what people dont get. You mean MINOR drugs.
    hear that all haters???? He means MINOR DRUGS. Not bloody Heroin or ****e like that


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  • #67
    Logain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Logain


    Darragh Harte wrote: »
    weed does not fuk you up in the slightest. It is not addicting and it has no after effects.And weed smells lovely. SOme people are born to be smokers(like the smell of smoke, petrol) so some people have that they like the smell of it.
    I love the smell of weed and smoke and petrol and im completely normal and i know many kids who like those smells too.

    I see from your posts that you are 18. Come back when your 30 and say the same.


  • #68
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    Lyaiera wrote: »
    I'm in favour of most drugs being legalised, or at least decriminalised. If there was a proper system of monitoring them, and ensuring they were chemically safe and used by adults in a proper environment. Also with supply streams monitored, possibly even an accreditation course for people who sell them in proper drugs-use approved premises. For softer drugs like ecstasy, mushrooms, weed, etc, I wouldn't have a problem with someone who did a few years in college learning how to manage drug-customers selling them. For heavier stuff like cocaine, crystal meth, crack and heroin then I'd allow specially trained doctors to prescribe them to addicts, presuming there was a proper monitoring system that helped people get off them when they wanted to.

    I wouldn't let kids of any age try them, maybe not even until people are 21 (people's brains develop right into their 20's but 21 is a good cut off age for most development.) There'd be harsh penalties for anyone selling them illegally, whether this was using their personal legally-bought drugs as product to push to addicts on the street, or even worse if it was illegal supplies. There would have to be a proper education system. I in no way deny that drugs can be dangerous, even something as soft as weed. However my problem is at the moment it's being completely ignored. Instead of saying, "You're going to get addicted and will die on the streets sucking cock for drug money" they need to say, "You might become addicted, you might suffer mental trauma, you might use them as for pain-relief rather than for pleasure, etc. and here are the signs to look out for to see if it's happening to you, here's what you need to do and here's who to seek help from." All the while demystifying and de-stigmatising drug use, letting people know that it is an adult activity that is fine for most people when approached in the correct manner, but that it could cause problems for pretty much anyone and there's no way of knowing who.

    Also, I'd provide weed to cancer, ME, chronic-pain suffering patients on the medical card and the drug payments scheme.


    That system would be exceptional compared to the current one.
    Very productive post. Thank you very much.


  • #69
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    Darragh Harte wrote: »
    weed does not fuk you up in the slightest. It is not addicting and it has no after effects.

    It can and has, triggered major mental health issues in a heck of a lot of people.
    It has its upsides, sure, but to say that it has no after affects and doesn't fuck you up is a daft notion.


  • #70
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Darragh Harte wrote: »
    weed does not fuk you up in the slightest.
    Why smoke it then?


  • #71
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    Coeurdepirate wrote: »
    I'm glad to see that not everybody has the "people who have tried ecstasy are scumbag junkies who will become addicted and destroy their lives" mind frame. MDMA isn't actually a stimulant however, it's an empathogen. Although it is an amphetamine, it does not help with cognitive performance.
    I agree - it should remain illegal, but the penalties should be made a bit more relaxed for possession for personal use and people should be educated on how to take it responsibly rather than "don't take it because you'll die", because if people want to try it, they will. Not many people however know how to get testing kits to test their pills (or how simple it is to do), the importance of staying hydrated and not mixing the drug with alcohol, etc.

    See! I'm even learning more right now :P
    That's exactly the information that needs to be given to young people. The dos and don'ts of drug use per se.
    I'm glad you've grasped this thread and summarised it in an example.
    A1 (:


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  • #72
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    Sauve wrote: »
    It can and has, triggered major mental health issues in a heck of a lot of people.
    It has its upsides, sure, but to say that it has no after affects and doesn't fuck you up is a daft notion.

    Hmm thats weird because ive done weed for a yearish now and i aint messed up.
    My uncle who has been smoking it for probably the last decade(smokes it regularly) hasn't had any mental issues. Another one of my friends who does it regularly is in Trinity studying chemistry which is a fuk hard course. could someone achieve that with a mental health issue?
    Im sorry but i've seen no evidence in my life and i know tonnes of weed smokers


  • #73
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Jesus Christ.


  • #74
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    Sauve wrote: »
    It can and has, triggered major mental health issues in a heck of a lot of people.
    It has its upsides, sure, but to say that it has no after affects and doesn't fuck you up is a daft notion.

    Site your sources of these 'heck of a lot of people'.

    I come from a family where schizophrenia was common.
    Therefor, before ever lighting up. I researched these cases of 'triggering' in canabis smokers. It's all theorised. There's only very very few cases where canabis has 'triggered' schizophrenia or other illnesses and they cannot extablish that it was infact the canabis that caused it.

    Although, not much medical research has gone into that link at all.


  • #75
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    Where To wrote: »
    Why smoke it then?

    Weed doesn't fuk you up. It chills you out and makes everything feel better.
    That doesnt mean it fuks you up. Ive never once came to any injury while smoking weed. Im normal as so clearly it doesnt fuk you up.
    or if you imply that it has some effects well everything has an effect and get your definitions right. "Fuk up" is a strong word. Heroin. Now that fuks you up. Weed does not


  • #76
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    Shryke wrote: »
    Jesus Christ.

    You're late, they stopped calling me that 2000 years ago. D:


  • #77
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    Darragh Harte wrote: »
    Hmm thats weird because ive done weed for a yearish now and i aint messed up.
    My uncle who has been smoking it for probably the last decade(smokes it regularly) hasn't had any mental issues. Another one of my friends who does it regularly is in Trinity studying chemistry which is a fuk hard course. could someone achieve that with a mental health issue?
    Im sorry but i've seen no evidence in my life and i know tonnes of weed smokers

    We'll have to agree to disagree then.
    As you age you will see a lot more of it.
    I know tonnes of people who smoke weed heavily and don't have issues, but I also know a handful of people who have had the problems I outlined before. It's a gamble.


  • #78
    Logain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Logain


    I know a few shut ins that smoke weed constantly, in their 40's. They literally are afraid to go outside. I also grew up with a few guys who got big into weed.

    Some of them can't even string a proper sentence together these days.Some of them are doing alright, but they are still a bit strange in the head department.

    One thing I notice about them all is that they get very pissy and moany when they don't have any weed.


  • #79
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    Logain wrote: »
    I see from your posts that you are 18. Come back when your 30 and say the same.

    How insolent of you to insult somebody's judgement by their age?


  • #80
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    Logain wrote: »
    I see from your posts that you are 18. Come back when your 30 and say the same.

    I'm a relatively regular smoker, I'd smoke cannabis maybe 3 times a month and I really enjoy it, however I won't deny that it can 'fúck you up' - to an extent. The fact is though, so can alcohol and so can cigarettes. Alcohol is an addictive substance that can cause liver failure, brain damage and numerous other mental and physical illnesses, and alcoholics tend to take their anger out on others (people getting drunk and beating their children etc), but alcohol has no medicinal benefits. Cigarettes are highly addictive and incredibly damaging to the body, killing millions upon millions of people each year. Again, they have no medicinal benefits.
    Cannabis has been linked to schizophrenia but it hasn't been found to cause schizophrenia, it awakens it as such in people who are already predisposed to it. It hasn't been found to cause any physical illnesses (although smoking it can cause lung cancer but that's because it's being smoked, not because of the cannabis), it's not physically addictive like the other two are and it has countless medical benefits.

    While I will not sit here and claim that weed is incredible and it has no negative effects whatsoever, I won't let people claim that it is significantly detrimental for your health when legal, socially accepted drugs are far, far worse.


  • #81
    Sauve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,646 ✭✭✭✭Sauve


    An0n wrote: »
    Site your sources of these 'heck of a lot of people'.

    Personal experience. As in, people I know.


    Also - articles such as this:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0508/breaking32.html


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  • #82
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    Shryke wrote: »
    Jesus Christ.

    Given up trying to bitch about minor drugs yet? :)
    There is too much personal experience against you. Whereas most of your speculations and merely speculations and nothing more. there is very very little evidence against the use of drugs such as cannibis. I cannot speak for drugs other than alcohol, nicitin, weed and hash. And they have not damaged me in any way other than the smoking of cigarettes


  • #83
    Ricky92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭Ricky92


    Weed is not good for you it makes you really paranoid from long term use and its not a class D drug its a class B.Get your facts right darragh http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/cannabis.html.


  • #84
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Darragh Harte wrote: »
    Weed doesn't fuk you up. It chills you out and makes everything feel better.
    See that bolded word?


  • #85
    An0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭An0n


    Logain wrote: »
    I know a few shut ins that smoke weed constantly, in their 40's. They literally are afraid to go outside. I also grew up with a few guys who got big into weed.

    Some of them can't even string a proper sentence together these days.Some of them are doing alright, but they are still a bit strange in the head department.

    One thing I notice about them all is that they get very pissy and moany when they don't have any weed.

    You must have chosen a very select sample for your source of this information.
    I know somebody that smoked from the age of 16 up to the age of 38. He quit but didn't fail to be sucessful in his life and is perfectly normal now.


  • #86
    Logain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Logain


    An0n wrote: »
    How insolent of you to insult somebody's judgement by their age?

    Insolent?? Seriously??

    I don't recall insulting anyone. I merely suggested that his opinion will be fleshed out a lot with the passing of time.


  • #87
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    An0n wrote: »
    You must have chosen a very select sample for your source of this information.
    I know somebody that smoked from the age of 16 up to the age of 38. He quit but didn't fail to be sucessful in his life and is perfectly normal now.
    I know somebody who smokes 80 fags a day and they will be 93 this year.
    So what?


  • #88
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭grindle


    An0n wrote: »
    Which circumstance would you rather expose your teen to?

    Parents should allow them to experiment, partake if they want, the same as they allow them to get fucked up on alcohol.
    Drugs are an experience, and not usually a bad one either.
    An0n wrote: »
    Which would be viewed as most negatively by society?
    and why?
    Society as we know it is centred around a system whereby the lowest common denominator wins, so generally, the most stupid, least ideal option has to win, and most parents would baulk at the idea of taking drugs with their kids.
    A friend has parents who don't mind drug-taking around them, the lucky fliphead.
    Had a great night with them while I was twisted on wine and truffles the month before some reactionary pleb outlawed them.
    Good times.


  • #89
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    Ricky92 wrote: »
    Weed is not good for you it makes you really paranoid from long term use and its not a class D drug its a class B.Get your facts right darragh http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/cannabis.html.

    Im sorry then there is a proposal that it is to be switched to a class D.
    http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/sep/20/more_marijuana_law_reform_talk_b
    Read that


  • #90
    Darragh Harte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭Darragh Harte


    Where To wrote: »
    See that bolded word?

    Wow are you seriously saying anything that makes you feel better fuks you up?
    SO sex fuks you up.
    Food fuks you up.
    Relieving yourself in the toilet fuks you up/.
    Your point is invalid. gtfo


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  • #91
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Weed is awful and it stinks.

    Me, I go horse riding once or twice a month.
    As a teenager I was encouraged to do it by my parents
    It's a healthy activity, being out in the fresh air and all.

    signed
    Christopher Reeve


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