Is it possible to get unbaptised?

WumBuster · 16-07-2012 10:30PM

Have an anti-baptism. Dip your head into a basin of petrol, then put a match to your head. Should do the trick

philologos · 16-07-2012 10:30PM

OP: I think a lot of people misunderstand what baptism is. Namely, it is an outward sign of an inward spiritual motion. In most cases in the New Testament, it is a believers baptism - if someone accepts Jesus, and realises wholeheartedly that Jesus was nailed to the cross for their sin and rose three days later, so that they stand forgiven before God at the day of judgement, and that they have now given their lives to follow Him, and become a child of God once more, then baptism is a marker of what is to come.

Some people seem to think that baptising an infant is going to secure them as Christians, but it doesn't do anything of the sort. It is only God that brings people to Him. What I guess infant baptism could be a sign of is a commitment on the behalf of the Christian parents to raise their children in a godly home and by the living word of God, but it cannot be seen as a guarantee of commitment on the behalf of the child to follow Jesus.

More tragically, some people think they can be saved because they were baptised as an infant, but don't realise that one must repent of sin and turn to Jesus as their Lord, and their King rather than the ways of this world, and the god of this world.

I prefer adult baptism, but I'm not wholly opposed to infant baptism as long as we have a right perspective of what it is.

Shryke · 16-07-2012 10:32PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Thanks all for the replys. I know that they only have my name on a bit of paper that will never be seen again but By staying in the church are we not consenting to what they say/do/believe/whatever. I mean i only got thinking of this when while i was at baptisem the otherday but surly prederterming someones faith is wrong. IMO baptism should be left till your 18ish when you can have a proper opinion on your own spirtuality.

Are all the other sacurments made up? I only ever seen baptism mentioned in the bible (granted i haven't read it cover to cover :rolleyes:)

The way that the vatacain handled the child abuse was laughable. No response of note. I garnetuee that if they got a half million letters saying that writer wanted to be unbaptised on the grounds that he/she didn't give consent so legaly can not hold up, they would have given a proper response/appology.

If you don't get them young you'll have a hard time brain washing them. The last thing any church would want is the task of convincing a population of adults free of trappings to choose a faith.

GiveEmHellKid · 16-07-2012 10:39PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Are all the other sacurments made up? I only ever seen baptism mentioned in the bible (granted i haven't read it cover to cover :rolleyes:)

In Christanity a sacrament is an outward showing of grace. Catholics recognise 7 sacraments which while may not be directly be referenced, are present in the bible.
Jesus broke bread at the last supper - Eucharist
Jesus was baptised by John the baptist- Baptism
In the early days of the church elders where urged to pray over sick members of the congergation ( Paul may mentions it in a letter...)- Sacrament of the sick
In Jesus's days people who where of authority (kings for instant) where marked with crism to set them aside as being chosen- Confirmation
The bible Mentions people being set aside to do God's work - Holy Orders
God's forgiveness is mentioned plenty of times - Penence
In matriage two people are bonded with the blessing of god to carry on the mission of the church.
Only Catholism recognises all 7. Most others recognise two (baptism and eucharist) as true becuase they are directly mentioned. The rest aren't "true sacraments" in a sense but are still of importamce in revealing the present transcendent.
I'm in no way a practising Catholic nor am I an expert but I did however take Religion for the leaving.

phasers · 16-07-2012 10:43PM

You need a Rabbi, an Imam, a Monk and a Shaman to piss on you

nervous_twitch · 16-07-2012 10:49PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

I definitely agree on the religion front, find no credibility in any of it. It's just such a cliché for people nowadays when saying they're not religious, they're spiritual. Just looked up Secular spirituality which is such that it would apply to anyone. It isn't exactly a defining label. I mean, just like human, it isn't exactly going to be surprising/interesting/worth pointing out to anyone that one is human, and going by what this spirituality means, it ought to be no more a surprise.

It'll just have people who have some imagination of what spirituality means and presume you fit in the box. I get different answers to what spirituality is, and other answers include things like liking walking in forests, places with nice scenery, visiting historical landmarks, for instance. While that would be less the cup of tea of some people than "... in which the motivation is to live happily and/or to help others" we are still casting a very wide net with that definiton, too.

I consider 'spiritual' to mean not subscribing to an organised religion: I believe I'm spiritual as opposed to religious. It just means that I think there's something bigger than this, something that is beyond our capabilities of understanding, but I don't claim to have any idea what it is. I don't practice anything, but I believe in something. If that makes sense

Shryke · 16-07-2012 10:52PM

phasers wrote: »

You need a Rabbi, an Imam, a Monk and a Shaman to piss on you

Also goats blood and the musical stylings of Cannibal Corpse.

sheesh · 16-07-2012 10:56PM

it is very easy.

Just Stop caring about the fact that you were baptised.

No one else does.

No One is forcing you to be a catholic, ok so the catholic church might still have some influence but they have nothing compaired to what they had before.

if you feel really strongly about it maybe you could try putting a notice in the local newspaper saying that you no longer wish to be considered a member of your religion.

then you could spend your time a bit better. if you could come up with a product and service that could employ approx 300,000 people and earn about 60 billion in taxes over the next couple of years that would be great.

Oaklilly · 16-07-2012 11:05PM

You can think to yourself that you've denounced it if you don't have confirmation?

Or change to a Muslim or a Buddhist!

Bessiebee · 16-07-2012 11:36PM

I think before anyone can offer you any constructive advice on your options you may first need to clarify whether you were in fact baptised or christened

There would appear to be a subtle difference and the consequences of going down the route of becoming unbaptised when you were in fact christened could possibly have huge ramifications :eek:

Capt'n Midnight · 17-07-2012 12:31AM

But if you get unbaptised you'll go to limbo :eek:

oh wait...

Ruski · 17-07-2012 12:39AM

Kill yourself

And then you win. Congratulations, you are officially unbaptised.

krudler · 17-07-2012 12:40AM

Bessiebee wrote: »

I think before anyone can offer you any constructive advice on your options you may first need to clarify whether you were in fact baptised or christened There would appear to be a subtle difference and the consequences of going down the route of becoming unbaptised when you were in fact christened could possibly have huge ramifications :eek:

I hear its like when the Nazis opened the Ark and all their faces melted.

paddyandy · 17-07-2012 01:01AM

Just tell jc that his product's warranties show some apparent ambiguities that may not deliver their full fireproof guarantees and forthwith a cessation of communications begins now. i did because i found another shop that does'nt discourage discussing the purchases ..quite the opposite discussion is heartily encouraged even mandatory ....and if he answers you ....i've got a new problem .

WumBuster · 17-07-2012 01:19AM

sheesh wrote: »

it is very easy.

Just Stop caring about the fact that you were baptised.

No one else does.

No One is forcing you to be a catholic, ok so the catholic church might still have some influence but they have nothing compaired to what they had before.

if you feel really strongly about it maybe you could try putting a notice in the local newspaper saying that you no longer wish to be considered a member of your religion.

then you could spend your time a bit better. if you could come up with a product and service that could employ approx 300,000 people and earn about 60 billion in taxes over the next couple of years that would be great.

Its not that simple to just 'forget'. You see, in effect, rightly or wrongly we have all been brainwashed from the earliest possible age to believe in the catholic church and its teachings. Growing up, it was as important in our development as learning to walk, talk and learning the alphabet. remember all those stories about doubting Thomas and to feel sorry for non believers? effectively we are all so far gone into this thing that even if we declared ourselves atheists we would still feel a certain 'guilt' or 'doubt' underlying so deeply ingrained in our subconscious that we will never fully be able to get rid of. Perhaps hypnotherapy may work i dunno.

sheesh · 19-07-2012 03:24PM

WumBuster wrote: »

Its not that simple to just 'forget'. You see, in effect, rightly or wrongly we have all been brainwashed from the earliest possible age to believe in the catholic church and its teachings. Growing up, it was as important in our development as learning to walk, talk and learning the alphabet. remember all those stories about doubting Thomas and to feel sorry for non believers? effectively we are all so far gone into this thing that even if we declared ourselves atheists we would still feel a certain 'guilt' or 'doubt' underlying so deeply ingrained in our subconscious that we will never fully be able to get rid of. Perhaps hypnotherapy may work i dunno.

I never said forget it i said to stop caring.

really what I am saying is that this is just who you are as a result of your upbringing getting a fake cermony to unbaptise yourself is not really going to change anything about. you will just have to accept yourself as you are now change what you can and stop regretting the past.

Bad Panda · 19-07-2012 03:31PM

WumBuster wrote: »

Its not that simple to just 'forget'. You see, in effect, rightly or wrongly we have all been brainwashed from the earliest possible age to believe in the catholic church and its teachings. Growing up, it was as important in our development as learning to walk, talk and learning the alphabet. remember all those stories about doubting Thomas and to feel sorry for non believers? effectively we are all so far gone into this thing that even if we declared ourselves atheists we would still feel a certain 'guilt' or 'doubt' underlying so deeply ingrained in our subconscious that we will never fully be able to get rid of. Perhaps hypnotherapy may work i dunno.

Yes it is.

Also, if people were actually brainwashed, how do you explain the amount of people who've just thought about it for a bit and then gone 'nah it's all bollox'.

Nobody's been brainwashed!

This is getting really fcuking irritating. 'Oh I didn't consent to being batptised' etc...

...Don't give to the church, don't go, don't have your damn wedding in a church presided over by a priest (hypocrites).

Simple.

sheesh · 19-07-2012 07:42PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Is it possible to get unbaptised? Unconfirmed? UnCommunised (is that even a word). I was baptised as a child. I dont remember consenting to that. I dont want anything to do with the church. I am a very spirtual person but in my own way.
So is it possible to get unbaptised?

after hours answer: yes if you kick bishop brennen up the arse he will excomunicate you

iguana · 19-07-2012 08:02PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Is it possible to get unbaptised? Unconfirmed? UnCommunised (is that even a word). I was baptised as a child. I dont remember consenting to that. I dont want anything to do with the church. I am a very spirtual person but in my own way.
So is it possible to get unbaptised?

No it isn't. There used to be a procedure where you could have your defection added to the baptismal register but the number of Irish people in Ireland who opted to defect was so high that the RCC changed cannon law to not allow it any more.

So while the answer is not what you wanted to hear at least you know that you are very far from alone in wanting to officially defect. If you want to find out more about it I honestly recommend maybe taking a look on the Atheism & Agnosticism forum as that's probably where most on the genuine discussion on boards.ie about the defection process took place.

Suzie4 · 19-07-2012 08:08PM

Look just cello tape a dogs bowl filled with water to your head and when you see a priest in the street run up to him and shake your head violently ,covering the priests head with water..There you go..UNBAPTISM.

Duggys Housemate · 19-07-2012 08:15PM

WumBuster wrote: »

Its not that simple to just 'forget'. You see, in effect, rightly or wrongly we have all been brainwashed from the earliest possible age to believe in the catholic church and its teachings. Growing up, it was as important in our development as learning to walk, talk and learning the alphabet. remember all those stories about doubting Thomas and to feel sorry for non believers? effectively we are all so far gone into this thing that even if we declared ourselves atheists we would still feel a certain 'guilt' or 'doubt' underlying so deeply ingrained in our subconscious that we will never fully be able to get rid of. Perhaps hypnotherapy may work i dunno.

That is a load of crap. Cultural hegemony does not include just schooling - it includes the newspapers, TV, movies, books available in the a country etc. The Catholic Church controls none of that. It's supposed control of the schools is minimal too - at 36 I am 20 years from mid-secondary school and I was taught by one religious Christian Brother and he taught science and evolution.

I doubt the situation has gotten more radical.

Quite, the reverse in fact. The English speaking world is going through one of its sporadic episodes of anti-Catholicism, and the anti-Catholics in Ireland are part of that trend. Understand a different language, or two, and you get a different view of the world.

And, no I am not a believer. But lets be clear, if Catholicism were as hegemonic as the group thinkers who hate it claim, the group thinkers would be Catholic.

Is it possible to get unbaptised?

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