Man convicted of "child porn" after viewing *animated cartoons*

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

blacklilly wrote: »

The issue here is the fact this man was previously convicted of rape and therefore his actions were being watched as he was considered a threat to minors.
Thankfully no child was hurt but the whole notion that this type of porn is available is sickning. Depicting child like cartoon bodies in a sexual manner is in a way trying to normalise child sexual abuse. It is catering for people who have urges to sexually abuse a child. I understand it is a grey area however in my opinion the people who make this type of cartoon porn and the people who watch it are sick.
If I was in a relationship with someone who viewed this well I'd feel sick and would dump them on the spot

Do you feel that someone who watches a woman (or man) tied up and gagged while being "abused" is going to act out those fantasies on real people?

What about things that show an innocent schoolgirl being seduced by a teacher? I'm in my 20s, does that mean that I want to be a teacher and seduce schoolgirls?

Two completely different things! Would you not consider someone who has a fantasy of having sex with a child as sick? The porn you mention above involves adults. In the case of the school girl porn it is somewhat similar to boss and secretary type stuff. The women in these clips usually have adult bodies although they may have a young face
I'm not against porn, I watch it myself but anything that depicts a child in a sexual manner is wrong and I'm sure the vast majority would agree.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I just think they're messed up individuals, TBH.

See this I most strongly agree with. I think paedophiles are ****ed up people who need help. I don't excuse their behaviour and am intimately aware of the damage that paedophilia and child molestation can wreak but demonising paedophiles does no one any favours--not society, not at risk children and not the paedophiles themselves. It also places them into a category of scary "other" which allows people who may know a paedophile to brush off their behaviour since it's not consistent with the stereotypical image they have of one.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

What does pain me most is that in my experience as to what happened with me, I never knew the man who did it (it was a stranger) and honestly, I would give the world to know if I met him one day he would be cured and could be let around kids.

The whole "get them away from me and lock them up forever" helps nobody. It reminds me of one time when I was about 7 years old (back in the mid/early 90s) and someone said "oh no, don't leave him (me) with that man, he's gay! He can't be trusted with kids what if he tries something) and I was 7 years old but to this day that comment always stands out as "WTF is wrong with you". We learned being gay is considered acceptable now.

I'm not condoning child abuse but if we can learn more about what makes these people like this we can put a stop to it early on and have them rejoin the world as normal people.

I agree wholeheartedly. And that's as a former victim of abuse who knew her abuser. Weirdly, if I had have known that he was "sick" and needed help, I would have been more likely to tell someone.

blacklilly wrote: »

Yes they are messed up individuals but that doesn't excuse their actions (I know you're not saying it does) . The sad thing about child abusers is that they are very likely to re offend. I also don't believe they should be hidden but in saying that from interviews I have read many of them claim it is a constant battle to avoid abusing and I have not read an interview where an abuser could say that there was no chance of them abusing again. That does not mean that every abuser continues to abuse but there is a possibility that they will.
sadly as others have mentioned many abusers have themselves been abused. This does not excuse their actions though.
Also I wonder if this thread was about a priest would the posters be so calm in their discussions

How does one manage to measure the fact that they'll likely re-offend?
I would still be calm regardless of who it is. I don't care what job they have or what their status is. I firmly believe they need help and if I did meet the man who raped me as a kid I would glady talk to them and treat them as a victim because I think they are one. I don't think he said "today I'll rape a kid". I think it was his urges got the better of him. Maybe the guy never got help (because it's one of the most taboo topics in the world). If there were more help to help them, there would be less abuse.

To me, they're messed up and need help. To many millions of others they're messed up and should be shot.

Sindri wrote: »

Does this mean viewing some of the works of Gauguin is now illegal?

It can be cured, so can homosexuality, but homosexuality is an innate trait. Pedophilia is a paraphilia, and it most certainly can be "cured" because it is not an innate sexual trait, it is a developed sexual predilection.

Yes and I've informed the cops

By paraphilia, you mean like a foot fetish or liking chubby people, it's just a "thing" you like?

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

The way the law is if they are depicted as being underage eg. schoolgirl it's actually illegal. Ridiculous situation really.

Schoolgirl is illegal?
But I was over 17 years old (i.e of legal age) for my last two years of school, so that doesn't even make sense.

up for anything wrote: »

So many child abusers say that what they feel is natural. That they love children and showing that love physically is a natural extension of what they feel. How do you convince people like that that what they feel is wrong and can they really suppress those feelings if you do convince them? Can you change them anymore than you can 'ungay' a person like they try to do in the States and many other countries.

Okay, some people feel differently.
The point of a person being "abused" is that it's fake. They're doing it for fun. (video wise in porn I meant, not anything in reality).
You clearly are upset about what happened. Some people deal with it differently. I told one person when I was a child and she taught me that not everyone can help themselves.

Now, as for what you're talking a bout is "boy/girl lovers". They usually enjoy the "innocence" of kids. Clearly though, a lot of child molesters (which is very different) use it as as excuse to feel victimized.

Personally I can sympathize with two of the three (IMO) of people attracted to kids: the ones that can't help themselves and want help, the ones that think it's okay if they don't touch or harm children (directly or indirectly so if you take photos of kids in swimwear to satisfiy yourself, you aren't getting my sympathy).
The ones I have little to no sympathy is the type that is actually malicious and wants to hurt kids. I have no sympathy for someone that abuses a person to enjoy it sexually.

woodoo wrote: »

He is not a poor guy he is a convicted child rapist.

Do read all the posts first, please. I misread that part. And I also stand by what he said, he was trying to fix his problem. I still think it's over-the-top what happened to him.

good to see a convicted rapist who got a pitiful sentence put back in jail.

for a ridiculous reason though. child porn laws should be to protect actual children nothing else.

blacklilly wrote: »

Brutal its great that you have such empathy for your abuser but that is not common. Luckily I was never sexually abused but a very close family member was and the destruction it caused her is unforgivable imo.
Some men beat the crap out of their wives because it is learned behaviour from their child hood, I still can't really empathise with this.
We all have some baggage, some more so than others and people can use excuses for their actions all they want but it does not deflect from the seriousness of their actions.
You are lucky that you seem to have coped well based on your experience but for many being sexually abused as a child has a devastating effect on their lives.

I think you're missing the point. Just because I say "forgive and get help" or you say "shoot them" it doesn't matter.
What does matter is that they should be given support. At the very least they should be studied to find out what the heck is wrong with them so to prevent it happening with other people.

That's what I want. My personal experience wouldn't affect that. Anything that someone cannot control (I fully believe there are some abusers out there who do deserve to be locked up forever) certain things should get help.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Same could be said about "BDSM" porn then, should that be banned just in case someone acts it out?

I'm not arguing about the judge, I'm arguing about how effing stupid such a law is.
And I'm probably coming across in this thread as someone who has some sort of hidden deviant agenda I don't, I just absolutely cannot abide this kind of law which criminalizes moral issues rather than protecting actual human beings.

That's what it could come down to. BDSM could be seen as abusive. I think there was a law in Austrialia pased to ban women with boobs small than an A cup in porn because it might encourage child abuse.

But this is how the tide is turning. the PC brigade is in ful motion this time around.

And I know you have a hidden agenda but no, I will not tell you what areas the gardaí look for people like you in :P

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think there was a law in Austrialia pased to ban women with boobs small than an A cup in porn because it might encourage child abuse.

Oh Australia, what is wrong with you?

Gummy Panda wrote: »

In all fairness, I think that's more a consumer issue so the customer gets his money's worth lol

I kinda liked the petite women

I'm going to jail for liking women if they have a cups.