Pride in our winners

kneemos · 12-07-2012 09:53PM

twinytwo wrote: »

why would we want her to win? she is prob our best athlete going into the games and our main hope for a gold... and she is a damn fine boxer.

I'd like her to win,she deserves it but she's not ours.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 12-07-2012 09:56PM

kneemos wrote: »

I'd like her to win,she deserves it but she's not ours.

Exactly, I'd like her to go and do it for herself and not feel pressured by a nation of hungry sports fans starved of success.

buyer95 · 12-07-2012 10:05PM

old hippy wrote: »

I love the Olympics, too. Got tickets for a couple of events but feeling "pride"? Nah, I'll leave that to the flag wavers and other vegetables.

Whats the point of being a sports fan if you don't even support your team when they are competing(in this case Team Ireland)? I know this is after hours, and must of the people on this are perennial cynics. But Calling someone a " vegetable " is either epic trolling on your part or else utter high brow snobbiness. I can already here the comeback, " I'm going to the Olympics, because I enjoy seeing top athletes compete and prove their excellence, blah blah blah ." Come off it

Rawhead · 12-07-2012 10:11PM

Yet again the OP has brought up a subject that is completely outside the understanding of most of the cabbages on this site. The reasons are,

1. Most team sports require friends
2. Most individual sports don't involve computers
3. Most clowns on this site are nerds and think they are cool/hip by saying "I'm not cheering for an accident of geography"

This is the inevitable conclusion when the glasses wearing, buck toothed stick insects who never got picked for any team get a forum where they can finally have there say in anonymity without fear of getting the beating they deserve.

Goldman Sachs reckon we'll win 1 gold, 1 silver and 1 bronze and those lads rule the world i believe.

alphabeat · 12-07-2012 10:18PM

Rawhead wrote: »

Yet again the OP has brought up a subject that is completely outside the understanding of most of the cabbages on this site. The reasons are,

1. Most team sports require friends
2. Most individual sports don't involve computers
3. Most clowns on this site are nerds and think they are cool/hip by saying "I'm not cheering for an accident of geography"

This is the inevitable conclusion when the glasses wearing, buck toothed stick insects who never got picked for any team get a forum where they can finally have there say in anonymity without fear of getting the beating they deserve.

Goldman Sachs reckon we'll win 1 gold, 1 silver and 1 bronze and those lads rule the world i believe.

< camp it up > ooooooooooo , get her :rolleyes::rolleyes: < end camp it up >

MarkHitide · 12-07-2012 10:33PM

Say you're watching two chunky chaps taking turns lobbing 16lb steel balls out of a ring. They're competing to see who can throw the ball the furthest. One is wearing a red jersey with an eagle over the heart, the other a green jersey with a shamrock in the same place.

It would be simple perversity for the average Irish person not to will the latter to win the competition.

kfallon · 12-07-2012 10:38PM

Go on The Paddies!!!!

Love it when we do well, brings a tear to me eye and a lump in me throat! Hope Katie Taylor bates the gee off all those other splitarses she's up against :pac:

And I used to be proud of TJ Kearns every time he broke his own National Record for the 110m hurdles when he ran in any major championships even tho he'd finish sixth in his heat

Sonia in Atlanta was heartbreaking tho

kneemos · 12-07-2012 11:24PM

cheering on the Irish ir natural enough it's the nationalistic ferver that goes on I find odd.

Jimoslimos · 13-07-2012 12:13AM

twinytwo wrote: »

why would we want her to win? she is prob our best athlete going into the games and our main hope for a gold... and she is a damn fine boxer.

Going to go against the overwhelming consensus here but, if any of our Track & Field athletes make it to an Olympic final I reckon that is currently a greater achievement than a gold medal in Women's boxing.

I don't see the problem with people cheering on our athletes. Perhaps some go overboard with excessive fanaticism and patriotism but most merely wish the best for the men and women with whom they feel more closely related (by genetics) to than yet another Kenyan cruising to long distance gold.

Pushtrak · 13-07-2012 12:22AM

Shryke wrote: »

We are a culture and a society all our own. It's only sad if you can't see that and appreciate it even just a bit.

I can appreciate such things but I don't presume such claptrap as Ireland is the best country in the world, don't derive or try to associate the achievements of famous Irish people with me on account of my Irishness. Fair play to athletes for their dedication to their pursuits, but I tend to see myself as a human first rather than an Irish person first.

kowloon · 13-07-2012 12:36AM

My name is URL wrote: »

I dunno, imo being proud of the country you live in and the society you contribute to isn't sad. Though some people do take it to extremes.

old hippy · 13-07-2012 04:34PM

buyer95 wrote: »

Whats the point of being a sports fan if you don't even support your team when they are competing(in this case Team Ireland)? I know this is after hours, and must of the people on this are perennial cynics. But Calling someone a " vegetable " is either epic trolling on your part or else utter high brow snobbiness. I can already here the comeback, " I'm going to the Olympics, because I enjoy seeing top athletes compete and prove their excellence, blah blah blah ." Come off it

I'm going to the Olympics because it's taking place in London, where I live - it's a piece of history. We'll be cheering on Japan in the Judo and women's football final (hopefully) but if Ireland do well in those events - then there will be a bit of rivalry between me and the missus. I don't have any particular team, never had

My experience of flag wavers has, admittedly, left me in doubt concerning their overall intelligence - so apologies to the more rounded patriots here.

Rasheed · 13-07-2012 06:04PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

"Oh I was born in ________" or "I was brought up in __________" is an accident of Geography. A combination of where your parents are from and where they decide to live. I don't see why it should be a source of pride. Be proud of your own stuff. It makes no more sense than to be proud to be male/female, your ethnicity, et cetera. Be proud because you did _________ rather than some nonsense.

I get your point but do you not think its mighty when someone from Ireland does well? Coming from a small country beating the so called 'giants' in the Olympics or some other global competition?

I don't follow cricket but I was proud when the national cricket team did well a few years ago.

Now I can't understand somebody supporting a premireship football team made up of players from say France, Portugal, Brazil and the Ivory Coast funded by a big American company and managed by an Italian but I think it's only right to be proud of a fellow country man/woman excelling on the world stage.

Pushtrak · 13-07-2012 06:30PM

Rasheed wrote: »

I get your point but do you not think its mighty when someone from Ireland does well? Coming from a small country beating the so called 'giants' in the Olympics or some other global competition?

I'd say fair play to them. My issue is with people who think by virtue of shared nationality the accomplishment is somehow theirs. It ain't.

Rasheed · 13-07-2012 06:45PM

Pushtrak wrote: »

I'd say fair play to them. My issue is with people who think by virtue of shared nationality the accomplishment is somehow theirs. It ain't.

Ok I understand where you are coming from now. Well you can still cheer them on, hope they do well without sharing the accomplishment can you not?

Rasheed · 13-07-2012 06:49PM

kfallon wrote: »

Go on The Paddies!!!!

Love it when we do well, brings a tear to me eye and a lump in me throat! Hope Katie Taylor bates the gee off all those other splitarses she's up against :pac:

And I used to be proud of TJ Kearns every time he broke his own National Record for the 110m hurdles when he ran in any major championships even tho he'd finish sixth in his heat

Sonia in Atlanta was heartbreaking tho

What an eloquent way of saying you hope she does well!

kfallon · 13-07-2012 08:11PM

Rasheed wrote: »

What an eloquent way of saying you hope she does well!

Why thank you

MarkHitide · 14-07-2012 03:16PM

kfallon wrote: »

Go on The Paddies!!!!

Love it when we do well, brings a tear to me eye and a lump in me throat! Hope Katie Taylor gee off all those other splitarses sbates thehe's up against :pac:

And I used to be proud of TJ Kearns every time he broke his own National Record for the 110m hurdles when he ran in any major championships even tho he'd finish sixth in his heat

Sonia in Atlanta was heartbreaking tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3OM2MA1pic&feature=player_detailpage#t=31.5s

MarkHitide · 14-07-2012 04:59PM

kneemos wrote: »

I'd like her to win,she deserves it but she's not ours.

Who are the "ours" you refer to?

Brain Stroking · 14-07-2012 06:19PM

I'm Irish and i support Irish athletes because they are Irish. It's very simple. Having Katie Taylor in the Irish team is an accident of geography but she lives in Ireland amongst us, has grown up here, is immersed in our culture the same as any of us and is representing our country in the Olympics. As said before, not being up for her is perverse and a little sad.

Bad Panda · 14-07-2012 06:29PM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Yes of course we do, I hope Katie wins gold, she deserves it, has done a lot for women's boxing

Yeah and the other women boxers have probably done as much in their respective countries.

Don't get it at all. It's mainly a bandwagon people jump on because someone Irish is doing well (like Katie Taylor) rather than actually taking note and giving support from the start.

Brain Stroking · 14-07-2012 07:02PM

Bad Panda wrote: »

Yeah and the other women boxers have probably done as much in their respective countries.

Don't get it at all. It's mainly a bandwagon people jump on because someone Irish is doing well (like Katie Taylor) rather than actually taking note and giving support from the start.

That's complete bollocks. The Olympics hasnt started yet so where's the bandwagon? I will support all the athletes from the outset. As will all other Irish people that dont have a weird repressed attitude such as you seem to.

Muff_Daddy · 14-07-2012 07:08PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I dunno, imo being proud of the country you live in and the society you contribute to isn't sad.

Exactly this.

People who can't see this, claim that its pathethic to cheer our 'national heros' strike me as extremely narcissistic and basically living in their own little bubble.

Where we were born is an accident of Geography. How we are shaped is not. The people we grow up with shape how we are as people and form our culture. We identify easily with fellow countrymen/women, therefore it's the natural thing to do is be happy for them when they achieve at a big stage like the Olympics.

For most people this comes completely natural, but it seems some people need to be explained this.

Of course I don't speak for everyone.....there is also the self-loathing brigade which are all too prevalent around these parts, and would take a perverse pleasure in seeing Ireland flop at the Olympics.

kneemos · 14-07-2012 08:14PM

MarkHitide wrote: »

Who are the "ours" you refer to?

Irish people.Katie Taylor is an exception,everybody does wish her well.

Pedant · 14-07-2012 09:12PM

I don't like nationalism. Any kind. It's a slippery slope.

Peetrik · 14-07-2012 10:11PM

twinytwo wrote: »

And yet most of them have to train outside the country

Yeah such a shame, some even have to change nationalities to be able to train and compete.

Think of how many scrawny athlethes a golden handshake pension could support. We're such a strange little country the way we do things, boggles the mind sometimes.

Brain Stroking · 15-07-2012 01:30AM

Pedant wrote: »

I don't like nationalism. Any kind. It's a slippery slope.

I think you are confusing nationalism and patriotism

Madam_X · 15-07-2012 03:12AM

I always feel happy when an Irish team or individual does well - but nah, I don't feel pride.

twinytwo · 15-07-2012 09:31AM

dirtyden wrote: »

Limerick university has excellent facilities, athletes from all over the world visit renowned limerick sports physio Gerald Hartmann.

The point you made was that most of out athletes train abroad, they don't. We do not have facilities that match a lot of other countries that is true, and it really should be improved upon, but we do have some decent facilities and tracks. Athletics is not a mainstream sport in Ireland but we still have produced some fine athletes.

What other countries are you comparing us to? Name me a country of a similar size and population where athletics is not mainstream who has state of the art facilities? The facilites have improved recently though, but much needs to be done.

And anyhow our athletes training abroad would not make them less irish. Should we not support our team because our facilities are not state of the art, again what is your point?

What are you on about??...

kneemos · 15-07-2012 09:38AM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I think you are confusing nationalism and patriotism

Is patriotism the younger brother of nationalism.?

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