"Hero" soldiers.

Father Damo · 10-07-2012 04:57PM

davetherave wrote: »

What a ridiculous generalisation.
So only stupid people join the military? When are you enlisting then?

There is a classic Ali G clip that somehow is not on youtube, where he poses this exact question to some retired uppity army major :pac:

Ali "Innit true dat to get in to the army you has to be a bit thick"
Major "No! If you're a bit thick you wont get in!"

Considering some rather dodgy people have served in its ranks down the years the Daily Mail is awful proud of the army- 10% of the British prison population has served at some point. If 10% of the prison population were granted asylum during the Blair era they would have a field day :pac:

Pedant · 10-07-2012 04:58PM

feeney92 wrote: »

You think every soldier of the British army agreed with the war in Iraq or Afghanistan? A government made a decision to invade 2 countries. regardless of what their public thought on the matter, these soldiers signed up to have a meaning, better way of life(in their own opinions) a cause and maybe just plain excitement. Sorry soldiers who do not want an ordinary boring life stuck behind a desk all day doing paperwork or worry about bailling out banks. The job has risks and it comes with great safety in a career.

I'd happily take a safe desk job over a job where you'd have a greater risk of getting limbs amputated or getting killed. I imagine most people would.

DipStick McSwindler · 10-07-2012 04:59PM

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Shenshen · 10-07-2012 04:59PM

feeney92 wrote: »

In the sense of where they live or where they battle?

Both, I thought that was self-explanatory?

Shenshen · 10-07-2012 05:01PM

feeney92 wrote: »

Yes I agree that most people would, which brings me back to my old point that it takes a better type of character, one with bravery and strength, to put their lives on the line for something and others wont because they are too afraid to die

I don't mind dieing, we all have to sooner or later.
But a person who will take up a job that will require killing people? That does say a lot about character indeed.

Pedant · 10-07-2012 05:01PM

feeney92 wrote: »

Yes I agree that most people would, which brings me back to my old point that it takes a better type of character, one with bravery and strength, to put their lives on the line for something and others wont because they are too afraid to die

I'd put my life on the line for something when there's actually a need to. Right now, I don't see a need to do that. We live probably in one of the safest corners of the world. If there's soldiers signing up for the BA with full knowledge that they'll be sent to Afghanistan and think their doing something to protect their homeland then they're quite stupid, in all honestly.

curlzy · 10-07-2012 05:02PM

feeney92 wrote: »

I think common sense, obviously in your case this didn't prevail, knows I didn't mean those type of soldiers. you must be a politician cos your great at twisting words?

Every soldier is one of those "type of soldiers" to the opposite side. I see them all as murderers or wannabe murderers myself.

smash · 10-07-2012 05:03PM

feeney92 wrote: »

Yes I agree that most people would, which brings me back to my old point that it takes a better type of character, one with bravery and strength, to put their lives on the line for something and others wont because they are too afraid to die

Better character and bravery? Is that your way of saying "a complete disregard for human life"?

I know 3 guys my age who were soldiers, 2 have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. 1 is still serving. But all 3 of them have mental issues now.

x43r0 · 10-07-2012 05:04PM

I read the title of this thread in the voice of Kim Jong Il from Team America saying "Hello Soldiers"

gobnaitolunacy · 10-07-2012 05:04PM

feeney92 wrote: »

I think common sense, obviously in your case this didn't prevail, knows I didn't mean those type of soldiers. you must be a politician cos your great at twisting words?

Meow, saucer of milk for table 2.

kneemos · 10-07-2012 05:05PM

Shenshen wrote: »

I grew up in a town riddled with soldiers, and I don't think I've got any words to express my deep contempt.

Ireland or somewhere else.?

Micky Dolenz · 10-07-2012 05:06PM

Somebody has to stand on the wall.

But i suppose a lot of people can't handle the truth.

Shenshen · 10-07-2012 05:09PM

kneemos wrote: »

Ireland or somewhere else.?

Somewhere else. And 3 different nationalities of soldiers.

Micky Dolenz · 10-07-2012 05:11PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Somewhere else. And 3 different nationalities of soldiers.

Sounds like a bad joke.

Paddy English soldier, Paddy Irish soldier and Paddy Scots Soldier, all meet on the battle field..............:P

Monty Burnz · 10-07-2012 05:13PM

marcsignal wrote: »

I'm sure this child knows just what you mean.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8qvIlfvmts

On a slightly unrelated note, I love how RT have their logo flying around the place so you can't easily obscure it. Not at all distracting...

DipStick McSwindler · 10-07-2012 05:19PM

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Pedant · 10-07-2012 05:23PM

feeney92 wrote: »

Soldiers dont sign up to kill, they sign up to defend teir countrys and to kill IF NECCESSARY, I know if it was between me and my mates or some scumbag who uses children as suicide bombers who Id choose

Does Ireland need defending right now? Is there an impending military invasion by a foreign power at hand?

Chuck Stone · 10-07-2012 05:23PM

The media loves to paint a victim of war as a hero.

I remember watching a doc about British soldiers returning from Afghanistan with the most horrific injuries and could help but wonder why the hell they weren't angry about being sent to that hell-hole for obtuse reasons.

Shenshen · 10-07-2012 05:26PM

feeney92 wrote: »

Soldiers dont sign up to kill, they sign up to defend teir countrys and to kill IF NECCESSARY, I know if it was between me and my mates or some scumbag who uses children as suicide bombers who Id choose

Not so much "if necessary", more like "if told to".

As I said, their choice, just make sure the general population is protected from them.

marcsignal · 10-07-2012 05:26PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

On a slightly unrelated note, I love how RT have their logo flying around the place so you can't easily obscure it. Not at all distracting...

Fixed that for you Monty, It was annoying alright

ejmaztec · 10-07-2012 05:27PM

kfallon wrote: »

I'm dying for a shite right now, I must be a hero! :pac:

Only if your arse drops off and gets flushed away.

Cú Giobach · 10-07-2012 05:27PM

feeney92 wrote: »

Soldiers dont sign up to kill, they sign up to defend teir countrys and to kill IF NECCESSARY, I know if it was between me and my mates or some scumbag who uses children as suicide bombers who Id choose

All they have to be told is that the are defending their country irrespective of whether or not it's true.
German soldiers crossed the border into The USSR believing the were defending Germany in 1941, same with Americans entering Iraq recently, they believed (quite naively) they were defending The USA.
Someone doing something wrong believing they are defending their country does not make it right, nor does it make them a hero if they get hurt.

DipStick McSwindler · 10-07-2012 05:29PM

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kneemos · 10-07-2012 05:32PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Not so much "if necessary", more like "if told to".

As I said, their choice, just make sure the general population is protected from them.

Why do you feel the general population needs protecting from them.?

speedboatchase · 10-07-2012 05:32PM

Bloody hell, After Hours is even more left-wing than I'd imagined - I'm sure most of the anti-soldier sentiment comes from people hypocritically begging for the US to intervene in Syria. I don't agree with most wars post-WW2 but I'd respect the hell out of someone who for example, jumped on a grenade to save a group of fellow soldiers. On the subject of being a "hero", it really does depend on the circumstances - I never thought Ken Bigley was a hero for example, though the tabloid press pushed that line often.

DipStick McSwindler · 10-07-2012 05:33PM

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smash · 10-07-2012 05:35PM

Feeney, you are so brainwashed you know that?

DipStick McSwindler · 10-07-2012 05:36PM

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smash · 10-07-2012 05:39PM

feeney92 wrote: »

smash wrote: »

Feeney, you are so brainwashed you know that?

What makes you come to this conclusion? And lets please avoid moronic slagging and have a civilised debate

The fact that you're jumping to soldiers defence at every opportunity, also your family background as you mentioned. I'm guessing you've always been told how great the military are since a young age. In general, people who are brainwashed don't realise it!

Chuck Stone · 10-07-2012 05:41PM

In fairness to Feeney he makes a point that makes sense i.e. most soldiers fight for each other rather than hifalutin accolades and ideologies.

"Hero" soldiers.

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