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Judge appalled at video of Gardai

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  • #32
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    staker wrote: »
    Werethey not creating a "disturbance" having been refused entry?

    I could imagine the diturbance which warranted the Gardai being called.


    Yes, but thankfully imagination isn't something that counts as evidence in a court. This diagram helpfully explains it.
    http://www.blackandwhitecat.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/dreams.gif


  • #33
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    staker wrote: »
    Werethey not creating a "disturbance" having been refused entry?

    I could imagine the diturbance which warranted the Gardai being called.

    You seem to be using your imagination a lot here, and ignoring the facts of the case.


  • #34
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    super_furry wrote: »
    You seem to be using your imagination a lot here, and ignoring the facts of the case.
    The facts of the case are that one Garda broke an innocvent mans arm,two gardai lied in court to attempt to get him framed, both were caught out when video evidence showed the true events.
    Try as you like , you cannot justify attacking and attempting to frame someone, they are a disgrace to their uniforms.


  • #35
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Breaking an inoccent mans arm and then trying to frame him is Garda Brutality.
    Strange how one so determined to get justice for a Hungarian family in one thread is ardently oppossed to Irish people getting justice in another.:confused:

    the Hunagrian matter is nothing to do with the police
    he was not quite so innocent. he was filming the guards. most folk dislike being filmed. the article also says he was being abusive towards the guards. in any other country the judge would have sided with the guards.


  • #36
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    the Hunagrian matter is nothing to do with the police
    he was not quite so innocent. he was filming the guards. most folk dislike being filmed. .

    So thats gives me licencse to beat the crap out of people who take my photograph or film me. Grand. Could we include people who are "lookin" on that list? It would decriminalise much of what comes before the courts on a monday morning.
    Fuinseog wrote: »
    the article also says he was being abusive towards the guards. in any other country the judge would have sided with the guards.

    Really?


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  • #37
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    the Hunagrian matter is nothing to do with the police
    he was not quite so innocent. he was filming the guards. most folk dislike being filmed. the article also says he was being abusive towards the guards. in any other country the judge would have sided with the guards.
    The article said that the lying Guards claimed he was abusive to them, the video showed he had no interaction with them at all.
    Disliking being filmed is no justification for breaking an innocent mans arm, the man was well within his rights to film them.


  • #38
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    who cares what a judge thinks? your average judge is usually far removed from reality.
    the guards should asked him to come along nicely and if he reused, give up. they deal with scumbags. four guards lost their jobs cos they got rough with a scumbag who had broken a guards jaw.

    four guards lost their jobs cos they got rough with a scumbag who had broken a guards Jaw
    Could you please provide a link to evidence of this , much obliged.


  • #39
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Fuinseog wrote: »

    I am not sure if continually trying to trip up the guards is a good idea. filming them doing their job can be interpreted in a variety of different ways.

    Were the cops who bet up Rodney King, just doing their job with people trying to trip them up?


    A Garda on a power trip can be interpreted in a variety of different ways


  • #40
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Were the cops who bet up Rodney King, just doing their job with people trying to trip them up?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niP07kbZMiU


  • #41
    croker1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭croker1


    Bouncers wouldn't call the guards for nothing! He was obviously being a scumbag in the first place.

    Just because the video cuts in at a time which favours the 'victim' doesn't mean he was completely innocent


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  • #42
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    croker1 wrote: »
    Bouncers wouldn't call the guards for nothing! He was obviously being a scumbag in the first place.

    Just because the video cuts in at a time which favours the 'victim' doesn't mean he was completely innocent

    Yea never let the facts get in the way of slandering the guy who was assaulted and almost framed.
    Suppose the poor guy in Waterford who was beaten on camera was a "scumbag" as well:mad:


  • #43
    Jester252
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Stuff like this gives the guards a bad name and it undermines there power. You can barely see some getting arrested without them claiming police brutality. Just a quick question do people thing that there are any case where the guards could be given a pass to rough up the person that did the crimes


  • #44
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Jester252 wrote: »
    Stuff like this gives the guards a bad name and it undermines there power. You can barely see some getting arrested without them claiming police brutality. Just a quick question do people thing that there are any case where the guards could be given a pass to rough up the person that did the crimes
    No. No organization should have a pass to decide to beat people up as it suits them.


  • #45
    Elijah Shallow Actor
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Elijah Shallow Actor


    why are people on about thugs and everything
    i don't understand that, am i reading a different article???
    t showed that Garda Bentley had “no interaction whatsoever” with Mr Daly prior to his arrest. And it demonstrated that Garda O’Connor spoke to the doormen for a minute and a half after arriving at the scene. Addressing Garda O’Connor, Mr Twomey said; “it shows that you then went to my client; asked him for ID, which he produced as the footage shows; and then 30 seconds later, you push him - violently . . . and when my client did something small like take video footage, you broke his arm, although I accept probably not deliberately,” Mr Twomey said.


    where in any of that does someone deserve to have their arm broken


  • #46
    croker1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭croker1


    I can admit that maybe the guard went a bit far BUT it would have never happened if the man in question hadn't been acting the gowl in the first place.

    Has such a thing ever happened you? Probably not, because you were never being a scumbag. People draw this kind of thing on themselves mostly.


  • #47
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    croker1 wrote: »
    I can admit that maybe the guard went a bit far BUT it would have never happened if the man in question hadn't been acting the gowl in the first place.

    Has such a thing ever happened you? Probably not, because you were never being a scumbag. People draw this kind of thing on themselves mostly.

    So, filming a cop deserves a broken arm, a court appearance and the rest. Great society that.


  • #48
    Elijah Shallow Actor
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Elijah Shallow Actor


    croker1 wrote: »
    I can admit that maybe the guard went a bit far BUT it would have never happened if the man in question hadn't been acting the gowl in the first place.

    yeah producing ID as requested HOW DARE HE


  • #49
    croker1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭croker1


    Nodin wrote: »
    So, filming a cop deserves a broken arm, a court appearance and the rest. Great society that.

    So why were the guards called in the first place?


  • #50
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    bluewolf wrote: »
    why are people on about thugs and everything
    i don't understand that, am i reading a different article???




    where in any of that does someone deserve to have their arm broken

    He might have looked at him wrong, or eyed up the Garda's bird, :)


  • #51
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    croker1 wrote: »
    So why were the guards called in the first place?

    It's in the article. Are you trying to imply something? If so, cut to the chase and get on with it.


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  • #52
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    croker1 wrote: »
    I can admit that maybe the guard went a bit far BUT it would have never happened if the man in question hadn't been acting the gowl in the first place.

    Has such a thing ever happened you? Probably not, because you were never being a scumbag. People draw this kind of thing on themselves mostly.
    Can we have a link to some evidence of this, because the video evidence shows him being co-operative!
    Love the way you describe breaking the chaps arm and then trying to frame him as "Maybe" going too far!


  • #53
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    croker1 wrote: »
    I can admit that maybe the guard went a bit far BUT it would have never happened if the man in question hadn't been acting the gowl in the first place.

    Has such a thing ever happened you? Probably not, because you were never being a scumbag. People draw this kind of thing on themselves mostly.

    That's rubbish, how do you know he was "acting the gowl"? The guard basically broke the guys arm on the word of a bouncer. Imagine you were refused entry to a pub by a bouncer for one of those reasons that really wind people up (regulars only, not tonight, over 23's only etc) and you called him a wánker cos your mates are inside so your night is ruined.
    Guards walk by and bouncer calls him over and says you were causing trouble. Before you know it you have your arm broken.
    Nothing in the story to suggest the guy was a scumbag


    The guard made a complete bollocks of the situation, it's as simple as that.


  • #54
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    I'm sure Croker is just sticking up for his colleagues. No one impartial could be that stupid.


  • #55
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Sky King wrote: »
    I always thought it was illegal to record the gardai doing their job...

    In northern Ireland it was illegal to record RUC members. Not sure if law still applies to psni


  • #56
    croker1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭croker1


    What i am trying to point out is that the guards were called for a reason. It says in the article that the man in question was drunk and abusive. He was asked to leave the premisise 4 times but did not do so.

    All I am trying to say is that people are always very quick to jump down the gardai's throats. I've seen incidents like this in other countries and guards are just as bad if not much worse


  • #57
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    croker1 wrote: »
    What i am trying to point out is that the guards were called for a reason. It says in the article that the man in question was drunk and abusive. He was asked to leave the premisise 4 times but did not do so.

    All I am trying to say is that people are always very quick to jump down the gardai's throats. I've seen incidents like this in other countries and guards are just as bad if not much worse


    They was pointed out.

    But then a video was shown to disprove most of it.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
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    croker1 wrote: »
    What i am trying to point out is that the guards were called for a reason. It says in the article that the man in question was drunk and abusive. He was asked to leave the premisise 4 times but did not do so.

    All I am trying to say is that people are always very quick to jump down the gardai's throats. I've seen incidents like this in other countries and guards are just as bad if not much worse

    This is a quote from the article
    It showed that Garda Bentley had “no interaction whatsoever” with Mr Daly prior to his arrest. And it demonstrated that Garda O’Connor spoke to the doormen for a minute and a half after arriving at the scene. Addressing Garda O’Connor, Mr Twomey said; “it shows that you then went to my client; asked him for ID, which he produced as the footage shows; and then 30 seconds later, you push him - violently . . . and when my client did something small like take video footage, you broke his arm, although I accept probably not deliberately,” Mr Twomey said.

    No interaction means he was not asked to leave four times it measn no interaction, no contact, no discussion, nothing.
    From the video footage the Judge was shown there was no evidence that the garda asked him to leave four times. Absolutely none. So please stop repeating this false information.


  • #59
    Elijah Shallow Actor
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Elijah Shallow Actor


    croker1 wrote: »
    What i am trying to point out is that the guards were called for a reason. It says in the article that the man in question was drunk and abusive. He was asked to leave the premisise 4 times but did not do so.

    All I am trying to say is that people are always very quick to jump down the gardai's throats. I've seen incidents like this in other countries and guards are just as bad if not much worse

    the garda claimed yer man was asked to leave and then later admitted he wasnt


  • #60
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Will the Gardai be charged for giving false evidence?


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  • #61
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    jhegarty wrote: »
    They was pointed out.

    But then a video was shown to disprove most of it.
    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    No interaction means he was not asked to leave four times it measn no interaction, no contact, no discussion, nothing.
    From the video footage the Judge was shown there was no evidence that the garda asked him to leave four times. Absolutely none. So please stop repeating this false information.
    bluewolf wrote: »
    the garda claimed yer man was asked to leave and then later admitted he wasnt
    But... but... but... he's a Guard and we all know that a Guard would never lie.

    Don't we?


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