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Who would get mixed up in Scientology?

  • 05-07-2012 08:41PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Like, how thick would you have to be? Who doesn't know its a cult designed to extract as much money as possible from you?

    Also, anyone availed of a free personality test?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    lazygal wrote: »
    Like, how thick would you have to be? Who doesn't know its a cult designed to extract as much money as possible from you?

    Also, anyone availed of a free personality test?

    The cleverest of people fall for the slickest of cons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭WatchWolf


    Danny Zuko.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭FairytaleGirl


    Because its a secret cult for gay celebrities to turn themselves straight and save their reputations. People pay big money for that.

    TBF in Travoltas case it didnt work. Fail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    I could tell you a few stories about those guys... I won't though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I met a few in the Dublin office a few years ago. They look like you'd imagine they would.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Elizabeth Moss (actress from TV show "Madmen") for some strange reason is a member!
    http://www.wetpaint.com/network/gallery/7-surprising-celebrity-scientologists-photos


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Biggins wrote: »
    Elizabeth Moss (actress from TV show "Madmen") for some strange reason is a member!

    :confused::(

    Peggy's my favourite.

    *gives up on life*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    lazygal wrote: »
    Like, how thick would you have to be? Who doesn't know its a cult designed to extract as much money as possible from you?
    I don't know how religion is so popular either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    I could tell you a few stories about those guys... I won't though.


    Ah go on.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    very lost people


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Pushtrak wrote: »
    I don't know how religion is so popular either.


    Me neither. But most people are brainwashed into it by their parents when they can't know any better. Adults who get sucked into the Scientology thing must be a bit off.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    :confused::(

    Peggy's my favourite.

    *gives up on life*

    I know, I liked her too since she appeared as the presidents daughter in The West Wing.

    I was shocked to hear/read she fell for the cults spiel. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    I was on my way through town years ago - at this stage I'd never heard of Scientology.
    Anyway, was walking through one of the quieter streets - can't remember which one.
    And there was this lady standing in the doorway of some building holding a clipboard.
    She asked if I'd be interested in filling out a stress test - who doesn't love those questionnaires?! So I said I would.
    But then she started ascending the stairs just inside the door and expected me to follow.
    I nearly didn't, but in the end, I did.
    There was a large room with people everywhere.
    There were banners and book stalls and these giant tvs playing clips for bunches of people on leather couches.
    I was led to a desk with 2 guys, and they put these metal cylindrical things on my arms that had wires coming out of them.
    They asked me all sorts of random questions and these things on my arms apparently measured my stress responses.
    It took maybe 20 mins, then they tried to sell me a book.
    I declined, and left.
    It's probably not coming across in my post, but it was a completely surreal experience.
    For a while afterwards I actually thought I'd dreamed it - until I came across someone else who had also been convinced to go up too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    lazygal wrote: »
    But most people are brainwashed into it by their parents when they can't know any better.

    Some of the most fanatical believers are those who convert when they are adults

    Not so much scientology, I'm thinking more of drunks who become evangelical Christians. One was recently the US President ;)

    Or people who convert to Islam


    Seem to be stronger believers then people who just grow up with it.
    As they chose it themselves


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    You know there is something VERY wrong from the start with a 'religion' when all their camps have the top of their fence spikes facing inwards - to stop people from inside climbing out!
    (See the link in my signature for details.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    lazygal wrote: »
    Like, how thick would you have to be? Who doesn't know its a cult designed to extract as much money as possible from you?

    Also, anyone availed of a free personality test?

    why not pay them a visit and see if they cannot convince you. a lot of folks are interested in building their mental strength and Ron L. Hubbard can exploit this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    I could tell you a few stories about those guys... I won't though.

    ah do, go on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    I was on my way through town years ago - at this stage I'd never heard of Scientology.
    Anyway, was walking through one of the quieter streets - can't remember which one.
    And there was this lady standing in the doorway of some building holding a clipboard.
    She asked if I'd be interested in filling out a stress test - who doesn't love those questionnaires?! So I said I would.
    But then she started ascending the stairs just inside the door and expected me to follow.
    I nearly didn't, but in the end, I did.
    There was a large room with people everywhere.
    There were banners and book stalls and these giant tvs playing clips for bunches of people on leather couches.
    I was led to a desk with 2 guys, and they put these metal cylindrical things on my arms that had wires coming out of them.
    They asked me all sorts of random questions and these things on my arms apparently measured my stress responses.
    It took maybe 20 mins, then they tried to sell me a book.
    I declined, and left.
    It's probably not coming across in my post, but it was a completely surreal experience.
    For a while afterwards I actually thought I'd dreamed it - until I came across someone else who had also been convinced to go up too.

    Same happened to me about 20 years ago. I was at a loose end and some dude came up to me in Abbey St. Same story, stress test, yada yada. I went upstairs and the dude asked me questions (without the metal cylindrical wired jobbies). Then they came to some conclusions about my life and lifestyle and I politely told them to fcuk off.

    After that they sent me mail for years till I eventually had to ring them and accuse them of harassment. The mail stopped after that.

    Weirdos.

    EDIT: They also gave me a free copy of the Dianetics book by that Hubbard bloke. I attempted to read it but after a few pages it was very much WTF? It burnt well though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    lazygal wrote: »
    Me neither. But most people are brainwashed into it by their parents when they can't know any better. Adults who get sucked into the Scientology thing must be a bit off.

    its just like the hare krishnas drugging ice cream and kidnapping honest god fearing irish folk in the eighties


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    I was on my way through town years ago - at this stage I'd never heard of Scientology.
    Anyway, was walking through one of the quieter streets - can't remember which one.
    And there was this lady standing in the doorway of some building holding a clipboard.
    She asked if I'd be interested in filling out a stress test - who doesn't love those questionnaires?! So I said I would.
    But then she started ascending the stairs just inside the door and expected me to follow.
    I nearly didn't, but in the end, I did.
    There was a large room with people everywhere.
    There were banners and book stalls and these giant tvs playing clips for bunches of people on leather couches.
    I was led to a desk with 2 guys, and they put these metal cylindrical things on my arms that had wires coming out of them.
    They asked me all sorts of random questions and these things on my arms apparently measured my stress responses.
    It took maybe 20 mins, then they tried to sell me a book.
    I declined, and left.
    It's probably not coming across in my post, but it was a completely surreal experience.
    For a while afterwards I actually thought I'd dreamed it - until I came across someone else who had also been convinced to go up too.
    Very similar thing happened to myself and a friend in Sydney.
    We knew they were scientologists but they never said they were,so we decided to pisstake a bit and ask them direct questions what organisation they belong to etc.
    My were they so evasive in their answers,dodging questions and they just told us we got to go and it was not for us.
    They seem harmless enough but any cult is dangerous and should be avoided.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    It's a matter of faith. You could also ask who'd be stupid enough to believe that there will be 72 virgins waiting for you in heaven after you blow yourself up.


  • Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭ Roy Wooden Ibex


    I was on my way through town years ago - at this stage I'd never heard of Scientology.
    Anyway, was walking through one of the quieter streets - can't remember which one.
    And there was this lady standing in the doorway of some building holding a clipboard.
    She asked if I'd be interested in filling out a stress test - who doesn't love those questionnaires?! So I said I would.
    But then she started ascending the stairs just inside the door and expected me to follow.
    I nearly didn't, but in the end, I did.
    There was a large room with people everywhere.
    There were banners and book stalls and these giant tvs playing clips for bunches of people on leather couches.
    I was led to a desk with 2 guys, and they put these metal cylindrical things on my arms that had wires coming out of them.
    They asked me all sorts of random questions and these things on my arms apparently measured my stress responses.
    It took maybe 20 mins, then they tried to sell me a book.
    I declined, and left.
    It's probably not coming across in my post, but it was a completely surreal experience.
    For a while afterwards I actually thought I'd dreamed it - until I came across someone else who had also been convinced to go up too.

    I went up too, out of curiosity really. In my mad days. I'd never do it now! Totally surreal indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    ALL religion is for the birds. It makes no difference whether it is a pseudo-religion cooked up by a fourth-rate science fiction writer a few decades ago or a collection of tales and myths plagiarised from even older myths and legends by Bronze Age religious nutters in the Middle East, it is all bullshit.:)

    You take your pick as to how you want to be shafted by vendors of those myths. You can accept the truly bullshit tale about the evil Xenu, who brought gazillions of beings to Earth trillions of years ago, stacked them up around volcanoes and nuked the lot of them with hydrogen bombs, but their essences (souls, sort of) still live on as Thetans and that's why scientology is needed to straighten our fcuked up minds out ---:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Or you can believe in the talking snake, the ghost who shags a Palestinian virgin and puts her up the spout without as much as a "bye your leave", and a zombie Jewish carpenter who has the answer to world hunger (he could feed Tallaght with a dozen bags of Tayto and have Limerick on its ear with a six-pack of Guinness), and so on ---

    I'd sooner shove my mickey into a meat mincer than have anything to do with scientology, but the other religions are, in their various ways, just as reprehensible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    lazygal wrote: »
    Ah go on.

    Joking aside there is a seriously sinister aspect to Scientology. I think in fairness to the media they do as good a job as they can in reporting it - but it's not always easy.

    A few months ago I spoke to a colleague of mine, a journalist, about his experiences with Scientologists. He was trying to run a story on some b-list celeb who'd defected. Now, this person did not want ANYTHING to do with Scientology anymore but by the same token did not want to speak to the press about his defection. From what I could understand, he essentially went into hiding. He was genuinely frightened and worried for his safety.

    When my colleague got wind of this he tried to get in contact but failed. He just couldn't reach the guy for love nor money but decided nonetheless to the thing as a 3rd person news story.

    That's when the phone calls started. Despite him having never called anybody at the church of Scientology they'd got in contact with him and began warning him away from the story. The fact that they called, seemingly out of the blue was concerning enough; somehow, somewhere along the line, they were informed of what he was doing. What was even more concerning, was the fact that they began mentioning his mother and his relatives. He received a late-night phone call and was told that his sister living at ___________ ____________ _________ with phone number xxx xxxx xxxx probably wouldn't approve of his actions. What was scary was that he knew his sister's phone was unlisted. She didn't have any social networking prescence and was pretty much completely off the grid. Yet, despite this, they were able to tell him where she lived, and what her phone number was. They didn't make any explicit threats but made it clear enough that they could locate members of his family with relative ease.

    The story wasn't going to pay an awful lot so he pulled it; I'll never forget the look on his face when he told me that. It wasn't an important story by any means - it was essentially showbiz gossip and its only use was as a paycheque. But when he told me, a noticeable wave of disappointment washed briefly across his countenance; I could tell that it still bothered him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭Johnny Bitte


    I was on my way through town years ago - at this stage I'd never heard of Scientology.
    Anyway, was walking through one of the quieter streets - can't remember which one.
    And there was this lady standing in the doorway of some building holding a clipboard.
    She asked if I'd be interested in filling out a stress test - who doesn't love those questionnaires?! So I said I would.
    But then she started ascending the stairs just inside the door and expected me to follow.
    I nearly didn't, but in the end, I did.
    There was a large room with people everywhere.
    There were banners and book stalls and these giant tvs playing clips for bunches of people on leather couches.
    I was led to a desk with 2 guys, and they put these metal cylindrical things on my arms that had wires coming out of them.
    They asked me all sorts of random questions and these things on my arms apparently measured my stress responses.
    It took maybe 20 mins, then they tried to sell me a book.
    I declined, and left.
    It's probably not coming across in my post, but it was a completely surreal experience.
    For a while afterwards I actually thought I'd dreamed it - until I came across someone else who had also been convinced to go up too.


    Does this smell like chloroform to you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    A friend of mine was almost sucked in, and in fairness they're very clever and deceptive about it. The word "Scientology" isn't mentioned until you're very deep in, it's always disguised as something else, almost like a dummy corporation.

    He was approached in public and asked if he'd be interested in taking a "personality test", and when he did they told him he was subconsciously very unhappy and miserable, and would he like the opportunity to try and improve his outlook on life and become a happier person. I'd imagine a lot of the people who end up getting involved probably do have some of those very common insecurities, and would love the chance to genuinely be more positive, so the idea of it sounds great. The cracks appear very slowly and it's very difficult to talk your way out once you get to that stage, apparently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    very lost people

    Was just about to post it......... lost souls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Muir


    My friend persuaded me to go for a stress test for the laugh. I didn't know what Scientology was at the time (I was 15 I think). They don't tell you all the crazy crap when you go first though. They tell you about their version of counselling (auditing I think it's called) which actually sounds fairly believable & interesting. I think when you get deeper into it they tell you more as they get you more & more hooked.

    It was a pretty creepy place though. The guy behind the desk looked like a zombie, the video they had playing looked like it was meant to hypnotise you & the guy doing the stress test would remind you of a salesperson. We eventually told them we were students & they basically told us to come back when we were earning money!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭Dartz


    We do need a Final Solution to the Scientology question.

    Individual Scientologists might potentially be sound if a little gullible, but the leadership, they're genuinely ****ing dangerous.

    I mean seriously, who could trust a secretive hierarchical 'religion' which covers up it's abuses with a stone wall of silence, and hounds those it sees as enemies into an early grave....and expects people to pay for the privilege?

    Wait a minute....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Sappa


    How long before they jump into this thread,usually they have an army of trolls waiting to defend their cyberbridge around the world.


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