Would a private police force work in Ireland?

Goafer · 05-07-2012 10:19AM #1

Firstly mods, sorry if a thread on this exists already.
Secondly, feel free to shift to another forum if you see fit.

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked. The Gardaí, are for the most part incompetent. Mostly due to lack of resources and funding. If I phone the Gardaí, it can take up to an hour for some issues, which are often quite serious. Many Garda stations around the country are closing down and some towns don't have a Garda Station for several miles. If someone is in the process of breaking into my home while I am in it, I want immediate Garda response. Particularly if it is my elderly neighbour, grandmother, great-grandmother etc. who are in peril.

I am suggesting that a private police force be set up in Ireland which will be funded partly from state aid, donations and other enterprising activity. Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity. This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?

SocSocPol · 05-07-2012 10:21AM

Goafer wrote: »

Firstly mods, sorry if a thread on this exists already.
Secondly, feel free to shift to another forum if you see fit.

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked. The Gardaí, are for the most part incompetent. Mostly due to lack of resources and funding. If I phone the Gardaí, it can take up to an hour for some issues, which are often quite serious. Many Garda stations around the country are closing down and some towns don't have a Garda Station for several miles. If someone is in the process of breaking into my home while I am in it, I want immediate Garda response. Particularly if it is my elderly neighbour, grandmother, great-grandmother etc. who are in peril.

I am suggesting that a private police force be set up in Ireland which will be funded partly from state aid, donations and other enterprising activity. Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity. This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?

NO!

prinz · 05-07-2012 10:22AM

Goafer wrote: »

This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it.?

So the response from this new police station is guaranteed to be immediate is it? Are you going to live in it too?

ColeTrain · 05-07-2012 10:22AM

Why not just arm the Neighbourhood watch?

Goafer · 05-07-2012 10:24AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Why not just arm the Neighbourhood watch?

They have no legal powers. Most are a farce anyway.

mikemac1 · 05-07-2012 10:25AM

But OP, if you are broken into you can get immediate response, technical staff, people picked up from the streets and detectives to interview them

All you need is connections and to be important

Alan Shatters house was burgled in March

prinz · 05-07-2012 10:29AM

Goafer wrote: »

They have no legal powers. Most are a farce anyway.

As opposed to private police forces and vigilantes.

Richard Hillman · 05-07-2012 10:31AM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Why not just arm the Neighbourhood watch?

can you swing a sack of door knobs ?

SocSocPol · 05-07-2012 10:31AM

Goafer wrote: »

Firstly mods, sorry if a thread on this exists already.
Secondly, feel free to shift to another forum if you see fit.

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked. The Gardaí, are for the most part incompetent. Mostly due to lack of resources and funding. If I phone the Gardaí, it can take up to an hour for some issues, which are often quite serious. Many Garda stations around the country are closing down and some towns don't have a Garda Station for several miles. If someone is in the process of breaking into my home while I am in it, I want immediate Garda response. Particularly if it is my elderly neighbour, grandmother, great-grandmother etc. who are in peril.

I am suggesting that a private police force be set up in Ireland which will be funded partly from state aid, donations and other enterprising activity. Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity. This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?[/QUOTE]
I think you will find vigilantism is illigeal, hopefully it will stay that way, as will private police forces for the rich to enforce their private laws.:mad:

El Weirdo · 05-07-2012 10:32AM

2 threads started in AH.

2 absolutely fucking ridiculous suggestions.

Go for the hat-trick, OP.

Prop Joe · 05-07-2012 10:37AM

Goafer wrote: »

Firstly mods, sorry if a thread on this exists already.
Secondly, feel free to shift to another forum if you see fit.

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked. The Gardaí, are for the most part incompetent. Mostly due to lack of resources and funding. If I phone the Gardaí, it can take up to an hour for some issues, which are often quite serious. Many Garda stations around the country are closing down and some towns don't have a Garda Station for several miles. If someone is in the process of breaking into my home while I am in it, I want immediate Garda response. Particularly if it is my elderly neighbour, grandmother, great-grandmother etc. who are in peril.

I am suggesting that a private police force be set up in Ireland which will be funded partly from state aid, donations and other enterprising activity. Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity. This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?

:rolleyes:

bren2001 · 05-07-2012 10:39AM

Goafer wrote: »

Firstly mods, sorry if a thread on this exists already.
Secondly, feel free to shift to another forum if you see fit.

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked. The Gardaí, are for the most part incompetent. Mostly due to lack of resources and funding. If I phone the Gardaí, it can take up to an hour for some issues, which are often quite serious. Many Garda stations around the country are closing down and some towns don't have a Garda Station for several miles. If someone is in the process of breaking into my home while I am in it, I want immediate Garda response. Particularly if it is my elderly neighbour, grandmother, great-grandmother etc. who are in peril.

I am suggesting that a private police force be set up in Ireland which will be funded partly from state aid, donations and other enterprising activity. Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity. This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?

I got two lines in and stopped. They get paid too much yet need more money....alright.

hooradiation · 05-07-2012 10:40AM

Goafer wrote: »

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked.

1/10

Poor effort, weak fundamentals, lacks grasp of basic trolling.
Must try harder.

saiint · 05-07-2012 10:53AM

prinz wrote: »

As opposed to private police forces and vigilantes.

their kind of already is one
you wont find any public files on it or anything
but if you know a garda ask them about it

apparently they recruit only 1-2 people every year, they raid houses which have drugs and gangs if they believe they have weopens

my mate was applying for a garda, he knew basicly everyone in the garda
so he didnt have to wait for the applications to re open, he said one of his mates in the garda told him this, their suppose to be real elite,

then again could be all bullsh*t for i know
youd never know anyway unless theirs a leak so no one would believe this story

i kind of do and dont but not bothered either

crazy cabbage · 05-07-2012 10:58AM

private ploice force = bad idea

prinz · 05-07-2012 10:58AM

saiint wrote: »

youd never know anyway unless theirs a leak so no one would believe this story

A leak? What from every garda, and everyone who asks a garda about it? Couldn't imagine a leak at all.

Ishmael · 05-07-2012 10:59AM

Goafer wrote: »

..... funded partly from state aid...... This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

Eh, so you want to use state money, i.e. the money we all pay in taxes to provide funding for a company which is going to charge the tax payers money to make a profit. Where will these profits go?

Also, if i choose not to pay the 100 euro charge, i assume that means i don't get this private protection. How happy do you think people will be paying taxes for a security service that only protects the ones who pay the extra charge?

saiint · 05-07-2012 11:01AM

prinz wrote: »

A leak? What from every garda, and everyone who asks a garda about it? Couldn't imagine a leak at all.

nope me mate said the garda who told him wasnt suppose to know, if you get recruited by them ( bare in my he said their still the garda just more or less badass gardas with guns and were balacalvas) your not suppose to tell anyone not even your family

i find it hard to believe but i cant say its not real either
to each their own

prinz · 05-07-2012 11:03AM

saiint wrote: »

your not suppose to tell anyone not even your family

Then advising me to ask any gardaí I know is a bit of a waste of time isn't it. Are you sure your mate isn't referring to the ERU?

Crooked Jack · 05-07-2012 11:04AM

Jesus no! The last thing this country needs is more jumped up thugs with an inflated sense of their own importance. Bouncers, security guards etc... All fuckin assholes.
Agree with you on the Gardai being incompetent though. Had to call them out to a situation last month and if anything they made it worse.

05-07-2012 11:10AM

Does a police force work in ireland .......

No

Traffic police doing a terrific job though.

Nothingbetter2d · 05-07-2012 11:12AM

Goafer wrote: »

Firstly mods, sorry if a thread on this exists already.
Secondly, feel free to shift to another forum if you see fit.

The Garda Síochana are a state agency and as such are overpaid and under worked. The Gardaí, are for the most part incompetent. Mostly due to lack of resources and funding. If I phone the Gardaí, it can take up to an hour for some issues, which are often quite serious. Many Garda stations around the country are closing down and some towns don't have a Garda Station for several miles. If someone is in the process of breaking into my home while I am in it, I want immediate Garda response. Particularly if it is my elderly neighbour, grandmother, great-grandmother etc. who are in peril.

I am suggesting that a private police force be set up in Ireland which will be funded partly from state aid, donations and other enterprising activity. Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity. This could be run as a for profit organisation and villagers and towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household to each new police station to fund it. I know I would pay it for peace of mind.

So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?

no...when the gov privatised, traffic wardens we got those bloody clampers, when they privatised speed cameras we got those bloody vans.

if they privatise cops we will end up with the russian mafia running black markets and serious corruption.

a better solution would be to give gardaí more funding... lol half the police cars they have are knackered. http://www.herald.ie/news/burgled-woman-has-to-collect-garda-in-her-car-3158605.html

Biggins · 05-07-2012 11:15AM

Goafer wrote: »

...So would a private vigilante force work in Ireland?

No - as others have said.
Why?
Well just look at the operations of the now infamous "Blackwater" business which was so bad in doing just as you suggest and other army type operations that they have had to change their name a number of times to try shake off their world terrible gained reputation (they are failing so far).
(They are now this time known as "Academi" - previously known as Xe Services LLC, Blackwater USA and Blackwater Worldwide)

There is many reasons why the answer should be "No" - but a study of them alone is enough to convince a sane person.
A read of this is shocking reading too!

Bob the Seducer · 05-07-2012 11:27AM

prinz wrote: »

Then advising me to ask any gardaí I know is a bit of a waste of time isn't it. Are you sure your mate isn't referring to the ERU?

From the ERU wiki page:

The Emergency Response Unit is responsible for handling the following operations in service of the Garda Síochána:

1. Armed response in anti-criminal/subversive operations
2. Implementation of search techniques, including use of forced entry
3. Execution of high-risk warrants
4. VIP Protection
5. Provide specialist patrols as directed
6. Provide ground and air regional patrols
7. Hostage rescue

Then there's also the armed Regional Support Unit which has a similar (but more restricted) remit.

I'd say it's one of the two, most likely the ERU. The reason why members shouldn't talk about it/wear balaclavas is primarily to avoid being identified and becoming targets for your friendly local gangland mobsters.

Dionysius2 · 05-07-2012 11:28AM

The policing/security situation in the country is so bad that it's no wonder ideas like this are being discussed. The public here judge the Garda largely in regard to response time, i.e. the time taken to show up when dialled. Before jumping to generalised conclusions about this or quoting individual instances to support one's point of view just note this : the Garda response time, which can be good and bad in turn, is significantly ahead of the police forces on the neighbouring island where in many force areas the police do not show up until the next day.

Private policing ? Hhhmmmm....what about a pilot project for this idea in a particular area of the country where functionality, cost issues, personnel, and above all else effectiveness can be properly assessed ? Then we could have a proper debate about what this would entail. Without doubt the Gardai will not be enamoured with the idea (turkeys & Christmas etc) but in a proper structure they may lose nothing at all in such a move. In the USA there are over legally empowered 5,500 private police forces throughout the land and therefore no national police with the FBI providing the federal overarching requirement.
To the anti side I say this : Maybe the time come ?
To the pro side I say this : There is a significant high risk aspect to this not least in the adaptation of laws, etc., especially in regard to our litigation obsessed society.

Pottler · 05-07-2012 11:40AM

Lads, it's here/very much coming but in a different form. Not for policing your streets or homes, but for policing big business interests - most popular hires are ex-army Ranger wing and ex MPs. Personally I think Private security will never be a "Police force", never in the sense of going getting forms stamped or prosecuting burglars, but prisons WILL be privatised, Traffic enforcement will to a greater extent, Police paperwork will and the Private Security industry will grow and grow.
There are already some people, ahem, who provide Heavy Security to Firms who have to Transit valuable cargo - that generally involves semi-armoured SUVs with sophisticated video equipment and operatives trained and willing to excercise force. Depending on jurisdiction these may well carry licenced firearms. Not really "Police", but very much carrying out the function of police to an extent.

humbert · 05-07-2012 11:44AM

I like the idea but fear it would be terribly difficult to regulate.

The gardai have little incentive to work.

Their pay is not related to how successful they are or to how satisfied the public is with their service. Furthermore, rapid promotion cannot be achieved by exceptional performance. Finally, it's nearly impossible to get fired.

That organisation simply cannot work, ever.

Immaculate Pasta · 05-07-2012 11:44AM

No you can't privatise the police force. Because then where does it stop? Privatising the law? Privatising prisons?

I could start my police force. Make my own uniform (mine would come with a cape by the way :cool:) and make it illegal to wear trousers below the waist like some of these eejit teenagers. Then I can arrest them and put them in my private prison.

It's just not feasible.

Fupping Grasshole · 05-07-2012 11:45AM

Goafer wrote: »

Money for this police force could be generated by fines or other entrepreneurial activity.

:rolleyes: That's a good idea alright, sure give them promotions and bonuses for the most fines handed out too.

Goafer wrote: »

towns people could pay an annual fee of €100 a year per household

PHIL? :pac:

hardCopy · 05-07-2012 11:46AM

saiint wrote: »

nope me mate said the garda who told him wasnt suppose to know, if you get recruited by them ( bare in my he said their still the garda just more or less badass gardas with guns and were balacalvas) your not suppose to tell anyone not even your family

i find it hard to believe but i cant say its not real either
to each their own

Is your mate Leonardo DiCaprio?

You may be thinking of ERU who's identities are protected for security reasons but they are not a private police force.

Akrasia · 05-07-2012 11:49AM

The private clampers do a wonderful job, I can't see why a private police force wouldn't be equally as delightful

Would a private police force work in Ireland?

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