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Orange Order official asks for permission for Dublin parade on visit to Seanad

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  • #62
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    thats a great pity if it does happen as they will only act the d!ck and go on and shout insults and remonstrate with ordinary dubs,(just as they do in the north every july 12th),its a scandal,our govt should observe the riots up there every year and decide to stop it from happening,businesses being wreck and our own oppurtunisitc theives and rioters getting in on the act..


  • #63
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Nodin wrote: »
    O yeah. 'Popish rites are in error' or some such bollocks. Not sure if theres a ban on other protestants ceremonies (as they only approve of the Calvinist tradition).
    Do you like making up lies?


  • #64
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Do you like making up lies?

    Nodin can hardly make up the truth.


  • #65
    Fentdog84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Fentdog84


    Surprised with a lot of the posts on this thread. Its a free country, if they want to march, let them march. Is it not about peace and reconciliation these days. If the muslim, gay or black community or any other minority group wanted to have march would there be such a problem? The only problem I would have against them marching is I realise there could be trouble from the point of view of nationalists and celtic fans coming down looking to cause it, which I thought was disgraceful last time. Obviously we havent ''moved on'' that much


  • #66
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Do you like making up lies?


    They prefer members of the "reformed" churches. You have to swear that you're of "reformed" christian faith.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order


    "Reformed"=calvinist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_churches

    Tell me, Patrick, would you go to a catholic wedding?


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  • #67
    forfuxsake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭forfuxsake


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

    I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

    Yes and the KKK aren't racist they are just pro-white.:eek:

    Me tinks this whole thing has a come about as an attempt to harden attitudes in response to the softening brought about by Lizzie's visit to the Republic, Sinn fein shaking 'er mitt.

    They want some PR to show that Ireland/The Irish/Republicans/Nationalists/whatever are not as committed to peace-building as they actually are.

    As someone else said, protestants are welcome, bigoted organisations are not.


  • #68
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Surprised with a lot of the posts on this thread. Its a free country, if they want to march, let them march. Is it not about peace and reconciliation these days. If the muslim, gay or black community or any other minority group wanted to have march would there be such a problem?

    Its not the same thing,do you think gays and blacks are going to start ranting off about catholics when some of them might be catholic themselves??


  • #69
    chughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭chughes


    twinytwo wrote: »
    LOL maybe in your own little dream world buddy;)

    Is that laugh out loud or loyal orange lodge ?


  • #70
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its not the same thing,do you think gays and blacks are going to start ranting off about catholics when some of them might be catholic themselves??


    ...throwing out gays because they attended a straight marriage....can't see it meself.


  • #71
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Nodin wrote: »
    They prefer members of the "reformed" churches. You have to swear that you're of "reformed" christian faith.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order


    "Reformed"=calvinist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_churches

    Tell me, Patrick, would you go to a catholic wedding?
    This is untrue. You obviously don't have a scooby about the Orange Order. Why would I go to a Catholic wedding?


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  • #72
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Orangeman: We've been marching down this bit of road for 400 years....

    Me: Yeah whatever bigot head.. fook off.


  • #73
    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    Why don't we let the KKK march through Dublin too while were at it?


  • #74
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    This is untrue. You obviously don't have a scooby about the Orange Order.?

    ...you've a source to refute mine?
    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Why would I go to a Catholic wedding?

    Same reason you'd go to a protestant one. Would you go to a catholic wedding?


  • #75
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Why would I go to a Catholic wedding?

    Would you not even go if one of your many catholic friends was getting married?


  • #76
    TiGeR KiNgS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭TiGeR KiNgS


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    This is untrue. You obviously don't have a scooby about the Orange Order. Why would I go to a Catholic wedding?

    Maybe because you have friends who are Catholic....oh wait that would show a tolerance well beyond your minuscule view of the world.


  • #77
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Why would I go to a Catholic wedding?

    If you ever step out of your insular world, meet other people and get invited to a catholic wedding .


  • #78
    Fentdog84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Fentdog84


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its not the same thing,do you think gays and blacks are going to start ranting off about catholics when some of them might be catholic themselves??

    Tbh i dont really care what songs they sing or what they are shouting. We've plenty songs and slogans ourselves flying around, each to their own. The unionists in the north have ceded a lot of ground to Irish nationalists by means of achieving the peace process. Not saying we ''owe'' them but cant see any problem if giving them a bit of recognition in our state by allowing them to march. No big deal there, imo.


  • #79
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Nodin wrote: »
    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Do you like making up lies?


    They prefer members of the "reformed" churches. You have to swear that you're of "reformed" christian faith.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Order


    "Reformed"=calvinist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_churches

    Tell me, Patrick, would you go to a catholic wedding?

    For these purposes, members of the Church of Ireland and Methodists are included, for example, the parish church in Drumcree is COI. Much to the embarrassment of most Church of Ireland people.


  • #80
    flash1080
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭flash1080


    Their Grand Secretary claims that a parade in Dublin will help the Protestant community in Ireland to no longer live in fear. All the Protestant people in Ireland that I know live normal lives. Maybe he means Unionist Orangemen when he says Protestant, it's something ignorant people often get wrong.

    Their Grand Secretary also claims that "the Orange Order want accommodation and tolerance not segregation", yet their organisation by it's very nature and rules does not accommodate or tolerate anyone who isn't a Protestant.

    Will the PC brigade pull out all the stops for an Orange parade in Dublin, or will common sense prevail when it comes to this backwards organisation where religion and politics are seamlessly intertwined?


  • #81
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...you've a source to refute mine?



    Same reason you'd go to a protestant one. Would you go to a catholic wedding?
    It is statement which is untrue in regards to having to be Calvinist to join the Orange Order. A lot of Orangemen and women are not Calvinist.

    And I don't attend sky fairy buildings, be it Protestant or Catholic.


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  • #82
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Nodin wrote: »
    ...you've a source to refute mine?



    Same reason you'd go to a protestant one. Would you go to a catholic wedding?
    It is statement which is untrue in regards to having to be Calvinist to join the Orange Order. A lot of Orangemen and women are not Calvinist.

    And I don't attend sky fairy buildings, be it Protestant or Catholic.

    Hey Keith! Thought it was yourself, and that "sky fairy" remark just confirms it!


  • #83
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    I for one welcome our orangey neighbours - make the route of the march good and long covering many diverse areas - our construction industry needs the work so all the better to spread the riot damage over the largest area possible - I feel this is one of the first proper jobs creation initiatives proposed. Fair play OO. This will give a whole new meaning to the phrase "Protestant work ethic".


  • #84
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Mod

    If you have an issue with a post or poster, report it.

    Flaming stops here.


  • #85
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Fentdog84 wrote: »
    The unionists in the north have ceded a lot of ground to Irish nationalists by means of achieving the peace process.

    They've met the other tradition where they should have in the late 60's early 70's before violence inevitably filled the middle ground.
    Not saying we ''owe'' them but cant see any problem if giving them a bit of recognition in our state by allowing them to march. No big deal there, imo.

    The OO =/= Unionists.

    Unionists simply want to remain within the UK - it could be argued that these aspirations are apolitical and non-sectarian.


  • #86
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Hey Keith! Thought it was yourself, and that "sky fairy" remark just confirms it!
    Patrick thanks.

    And that is my opinion Benny_Cake. I think the Roman Catholic Church is corrupt and covers up child abuse of Irish kids. Why on earth would I attend a Catholic wedding which is linked these crimes.

    No thanks. I hope you understand that many Atheists and Secularists don't like the Roman Catholic criminal institution.


  • #87
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    They should be allowed march down O'Connell St but only if Sein Fein are allowed put up a temporary mural of King Billy being spit roasted by the Earl of Albermarle and the Earl of Portland.


  • #88
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Patrick thanks.

    And that is my opinion Benny_Cake. I think the Roman Catholic Church is corrupt and covers up child abuse of Irish kids. Why on earth would I attend a Catholic wedding which is linked these crimes.

    No thanks. I hope you understand that many Atheists and Secularists don't like the Roman Catholic criminal institution.

    And would you go to the wedding of a (non protestant) ethnically Irish person?


  • #89
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Patrick thanks.

    And that is my opinion Benny_Cake. I think the Roman Catholic Church is corrupt and covers up child abuse of Irish kids. Why on earth would I attend a Catholic wedding which is linked these crimes.

    No thanks. I hope you understand that many Atheists and Secularists don't like the Roman Catholic criminal institution.


    A lot of catholic priests are good and chaste right social thinking people,who believe in charity ,spirituality and goodwill and being a basic good samaritan that helps ones neighbour/friend etc..

    Not everyone in the catholic church or those who happen to follow catholic teachings are responsible for child abuse,dont tar them all with the same brush there not criminals.Stop calling catholics criminals..

    Theres plenty of abuse and murder that goes on in other religions but to say they are criminal would not be tolerated why SHOULD INSULTING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH be any different?

    And from what i have read you seem to have a very narrow minded view on all catholics due to a few incidents of individuals they are not representative of a whole catholic population ,would you accuse me an ordinary catholic follower of being a child abuser,and that of many others?


  • #90
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Fentdog84 wrote: »
    Surprised with a lot of the posts on this thread. Its a free country, if they want to march, let them march. Is it not about peace and reconciliation these days. If the muslim, gay or black community or any other minority group wanted to have march would there be such a problem? The only problem I would have against them marching is I realise there could be trouble from the point of view of nationalists and celtic fans coming down looking to cause it, which I thought was disgraceful last time. Obviously we havent ''moved on'' that much

    The muslim, gay or black community don't hate Catholics or Irish people, big difference. They also do not sing about "up to our necks in Fenian blood".

    The OO is about the supreme of the Protestant Church over Catholicism and especially Secularism, religious bigotry in its finest. Gays beware.

    Oh, leave genuine Celtic fans out of your bigoted vitriol, it was local Dubs who rioted last time in 2006.


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  • #91
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

    No thanks. I hope you understand that many Atheists and Secularists don't like the Roman Catholic criminal institution.

    Don't try to liken yourself to intelligent and rational people that avoid going to churches because they are irreligious. That's not why you do it. You do it because you're a bigot.


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