One off housing...

CB19Kevo · 03-07-2012 09:16PM #1

All over this island, One thing that i feel takes away from the natural scenery is houses dotted along the roads often times 10 or plus miles from an urban area..
What makes it worse is these buildings are often of bad design/finish.
(If they were finished in stone/wood cladding they might sit back).

It is a result of bad planning but it is here now, Does anyone else cringe at these buildings? and short of nuking all these structures anyone have any better ideas moving into the future?

Fizman · 03-07-2012 09:19PM

The houses were there first. The countryside is a celtic tiger creation.

ThinkAboutIt · 03-07-2012 09:20PM

Sure they are a mad bunch down there. Best stay in Dublin.

Sulla Felix · 03-07-2012 09:20PM

Sure how would people get to the shops if the house didn't have road access?

shopaholic01 · 03-07-2012 09:22PM

Very hard to get planning permission without road frontage.

What are you supposed to do - leave you car on the road and walk home through the fields?

christmas2012 · 03-07-2012 09:22PM

bad road planning they basically cut through old rural neighbourhoods..

Sky King · 03-07-2012 09:26PM

Yea it's called Bungalow Blight and the country is plagues with rankly finished houses from a catalogue of rank houses called Bungalow Bliss which was popular in the late 70's and early 80's.

Look out for Leylandii trees as well.

CB19Kevo · 03-07-2012 09:29PM

Cant really think of a suitable thread title..

It just seems crazy to have houses dotted all over in a country our size.. Its not an attack on rural life.
It would be far easier to bring services (broadband,water,etc) to villages..

hondasam · 03-07-2012 09:32PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

All over this island, One thing that i feel takes away from the natural scenery is houses dotted along the roads often times 10 or plus miles from an urban area..
What makes it worse is these buildings are often of bad design/finish.
(If they were finished in stone/wood cladding they might sit back).

It is a result of bad planning but it is here now, Does anyone else cringe at these buildings? and short of nuking all these structures anyone have any better ideas moving into the future?

What are you on about ? people who live in the countryside is it?
I am one of those people who built a house in the country so no I don't cringe every time I come home.

Sky King · 03-07-2012 09:32PM

There's much more emphasis on village style development in the UK, to everyones benefit. Generally all you get out the sticks are farm houses. The politicians are less corrupt there though.

Ever been to Connemara? The landscape is destroyed with them... many built without planning permission. Not that PP was even hard to obtain in the day.

Where To · 03-07-2012 09:32PM

It's an Irish person's birthright to plant their house in the middle of nowhere, be entitled to water, sewerage, electricity, 100Mbs broadband, bin collections, low motor tax, two lane dual carriageway right to their front door, postal delivery right into the front living room, and a school, postoffice, McDonalds and a 24 hour garda station within five minutes walk.

And woe betide any government that attempts to charge them for any of this.

starbelgrade · 03-07-2012 09:32PM

Most councils in Ireland now have rural housing guidelines which have outlawed the type of "bungalow bliss" style houses that were built over the last 30 years.

The intention is to ensure that all new houses are either designed in a vernacular style or are of high architectural merit.

Though it may be seen a case of closing the gate after the horse has bolted, I believe that it's very much a positive thing & if it is rigorously enforced, it will mean that any newly built one-off houses will not have a detrimental effect on their natural surroundings or environment.

Sky King · 03-07-2012 09:34PM

But scummy bungalows ARE the vernacular!

i cant think of what else could be these days!

starbelgrade · 03-07-2012 09:37PM

Where To wrote: »

It's an Irish person's birthright to plant their house in the middle of nowhere, be entitled to water, sewerage, electricity, 100Mbs broadband, bin collections, low motor tax, two lane dual carriageway right to their front door, postal delivery right into the front living room, and a school, postoffice, McDonalds and a 24 hour garda station within five minutes walk.

And woe betide any government that attempts to charge them for any of this.

Your view of what people expect when they build in rural areas expect would suggest that you've never actually spent much time outside of the city.

Palytoxin · 03-07-2012 09:39PM

Most of these houses are in the place of former houses anyway, there's 3 houses on my road, which is a mile and a half long, but according to the 1901 census there was 18 families living on the road. The people built houses on their own land and they are within their rights to imo. I don't think they should be nuked 'cause I probably would be killed or homeless, and I definitely don't cringe every time I see my house.

up for anything · 03-07-2012 09:40PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

All over this island, One thing that i feel takes away from the natural scenery is houses dotted along the roads often times 10 or plus miles from an urban area..
What makes it worse is these buildings are often of bad design/finish.
(If they were finished in stone/wood cladding they might sit back).

It is a result of bad planning but it is here now, Does anyone else cringe at these buildings? and short of nuking all these structures anyone have any better ideas moving into the future?

Did Prince Charming only wake you up with a kiss recently?

Where To · 03-07-2012 09:45PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Your view of what people expect when they build in rural areas expect would suggest that you've never actually spent much time outside of the city.

Au contraire my friend, au contraire. I'm currently looking out over Malin Head, Trawbeagagh Bay from my 200 year old house, and if the weather wasn't so closed in I could see Rathlin Island and Scotland in the distance.

And do you know what else I see?
Houses. Thousands upon thousands of them. Some lived in some not. And do you know what phrase I will here at least three times before the night out is out?

'But we never get nothin' up here'
'We are forgotten about'
'I damn sure I'm not paying'

starbelgrade · 03-07-2012 09:47PM

Where To wrote: »

Au contraire my friend, au contraire.

You sound like a bad version of Dell Boy.

CB19Kevo · 03-07-2012 09:49PM

hondasam wrote: »

What are you on about ? people who live in the countryside is it?
I am one of those people who built a house in the country so no I don't cringe every time I come home.

You cant blame the people who live there its who ever authorises it is the problem and or the systems/procedures which grant planning.
I believe the ideal situation would be that no housing would come directly onto a roadway outside of urban zones..
And all rural residential structures would be built on side roads in clusters..
I believe it would vastly improve road safety as some of these one off structures are built on bends/dips or have concealed exits.

However the problem is already in place....

Where To · 03-07-2012 09:50PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

You sound like a bad version of Dell Boy.

Mange-tous :pac:

hondasam · 03-07-2012 09:52PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

And all rural residential structures would be built on side roads in clusters..

If I wanted neighbours I would live in a town. Do you live in a city/town?

bgrizzley · 03-07-2012 09:59PM

People are a part of nature and cities are'nt our natural habitat. maybe move all the cities somewhere, they are taking up one-off-housing space.
you'll want to corral all the hedgehogs into one place next.

CB19Kevo · 03-07-2012 10:01PM

hondasam wrote: »

If I wanted neighbours I would live in a town. Do you live in a city/town?

It is not as if the next house to you would have be right up beside your property it would just be grouped on the same side road as you, - What would be the problem, it would still be country living and freedom.

And to answer your question i live in the country not far from a large town.

charlemont · 03-07-2012 10:10PM

I'v nothing against those houses (hope to be getting paid lots of money for designing them someday) but its the way they are all over the place not clustered together, On very narrow roads / unnamed roads of course !! No footpaths or public lighting either.

But there are obviously other issues at play here too, Cultural and privacy reasons.

FanadMan · 03-07-2012 10:22PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

All over this island, One thing that i feel takes away from the natural scenery is houses dotted along the roads often times 10 or plus miles from an urban area..
What makes it worse is these buildings are often of bad design/finish.
(If they were finished in stone/wood cladding they might sit back).

It is a result of bad planning but it is here now, Does anyone else cringe at these buildings? and short of nuking all these structures anyone have any better ideas moving into the future?

It's not a result of bad planning - not everyone wants to live in an estate with hundreds of houses that look the same, not able to go outside without curtains twitching, things getting stolen from your back yard.

What I think is worse looking are all those ghost estates, some partially populated with building sites for neighbours.

Give me rural peace anytime over urban sprawl - at least in the countyside you have good neighbours

Dyr · 03-07-2012 10:22PM

tis my right to live next to me mammy in me own parish
You city slickers would'nt understand

etc etc

girl in the striped socks · 03-07-2012 10:29PM

Where To wrote: »

It's an Irish person's birthright to plant their house in the middle of nowhere, be entitled to water, sewerage, electricity, 100Mbs broadband, bin collections, low motor tax, two lane dual carriageway right to their front door, postal delivery right into the front living room, and a school, postoffice, McDonalds and a 24 hour garda station within five minutes walk.

And woe betide any government that attempts to charge them for any of this.

Yes, I get all of the above for free.

Mardy Bum · 03-07-2012 10:33PM

Where To wrote: »

Au contraire my friend, au contraire. I'm currently looking out over Malin Head, Trawbeagagh Bay from my 200 year old house, and if the weather wasn't so closed in I could see Rathlin Island and Scotland in the distance.

And do you know what else I see?
Houses. Thousands upon thousands of them. Some lived in some not. And do you know what phrase I will here at least three times before the night out is out?

'But we never get nothin' up here'
'We are forgotten about'
'I damn sure I'm not paying'

Brian Friel had Donegal off to a tee in Aristocrats so.

Dyr · 03-07-2012 10:33PM

FanadMan wrote: »

It's not a result of bad planning - not everyone wants to live in an estate with hundreds of houses that look the same, not able to go outside without curtains twitching, things getting stolen from your back yard.

What I think is worse looking are all those ghost estates, some partially populated with building sites for neighbours.

Give me rural peace anytime over urban sprawl - at least in the countyside you have good neighbours

thats grand, you're right to get away from it all. And as soon as we cut your electrics, water, sewage, phone lines and road maintenance you will be away from it all.

enjoy!

FanadMan · 03-07-2012 10:37PM

Bambi wrote: »

thats grand, you're right to get away from it all. And as soon as we cut your electrics, water, sewage, phone lines and road maintenance you will be away from it all.

enjoy!

And why would you want to cut off my electrics, water, sewage, phone lines and road maintenance? Do people where you live cut these things off for no reason?

Nothingbetter2d · 03-07-2012 10:40PM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

All over this island, One thing that i feel takes away from the natural scenery is houses dotted along the roads often times 10 or plus miles from an urban area..
What makes it worse is these buildings are often of bad design/finish.
(If they were finished in stone/wood cladding they might sit back).

It is a result of bad planning but it is here now, Does anyone else cringe at these buildings? and short of nuking all these structures anyone have any better ideas moving into the future?

maybe some people just don't want to live in a poorly built boom era shoebox that costs way more than it's worth, surrounded by the next generation's ghetto

One off housing...

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