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Orange Order official asks for permission for Dublin parade on visit to Seanad

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  • #32
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    votecounts wrote: »
    why was keith perma banned?
    back on topic, utter madness to even ask that these bigots be allowed march in dublin, let them march in london so that the british taxpayer can pick up the bill.
    NEVER,NEVER,IRELAND SAYS NO.
    probably for his perma trolling


  • #33
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    A bigoted racist supremacist organisation like the OO has no business walking through our capital city. I don't buy the crap they spout about not appreciating the Northern Protestant. Protestants are welcome, bigoted orangemen are not as far as i'm concerned.


  • #34
    Varied
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    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    They are reclaiming what was denied to them by IRA terrorists who thought all Irish men and women should be Republican.

    Do you agree that the orange order are a bigoted organisation?


  • #35
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Expecting people to welcome a load of bigoted and sectarian fools parading around a city and country they hold such contempt for, is deranged.
    The freedom of speech of a minority shouldn't be curtailed by the majority because they don't like what they have to say. If you don't want an orange parade that's fine don't go to it.


  • #36
    FishBowel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 363 ✭✭FishBowel


    Dangerous Man wrote: »
    I hope this second one happens too and that the rioters decide to head up to Leinster House...
    And half the road is dug up again with lots of bricks lying about.


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  • #37
    woodoo
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    Varied wrote: »
    Do you agree that the orange order are a bigoted organisation?

    If he doesn't answer this question clearly then we will know its the return of Kieth :D


  • #38
    Where To
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    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    He must know something good we don't - I can't help but note the absence of any mass movement of oppressed Anglicans and Presbyterians from Donegal, Cavan, Leitrim and Monaghan. There's no doubt that the Catholic church had too much influence on government policy in this country but I'm calling BS on this particular notion.
    Yeah I think he was attempting to stir the pot here to be honest. I can't imagine the OO being too enamoured with the fact that religious bitterness and divisions are miniscule at most in border areas. As the are in rural areas such as Fermanagh and west Tyrone also, for example.


  • #39
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Varied wrote: »
    Do you agree that the orange order are a bigoted organisation?
    No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

    I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.


  • #40
    twinytwo
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The freedom of speech of a minority shouldn't be curtailed by the majority because they don't like what they have to say. If you don't want an orange parade that's fine don't go to it.

    or they could march in London, by all means lets change our country to suit the needs of all the minorities.


  • #41
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    "Ireland would be a poorer place if the order's cultural heritage disappeared"

    hmmm not so sure about that. whats your cultural heritage, hating Catholics and banging drums really loud while marching provocatively down areas where you are unwelcome?


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  • #42
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Republicanism's greatest folly in the past fifty years has been the assumption that all Orangemen are just a wee bit misguided and that with a little TLC will come out of the closet and embrace the orange third of the flag of the Republic of Ireland.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. These people are far more complex than you could ever even begin to imagine.

    Let's take the old Republican cant of 'Brits Out'. These people are, for better or worse British. So are we proposing a ethnic cleaning of the Province? Let's hope not.

    I've worked and known a lot of Ulster Loyalists over the past twenty years. If anything, they will be as straight up with you as they can be from the start and to the average Irish person coming from the South their direct language can be at odds to our sense of natural diplomacy. Personally I'd rather their straight-up honesty than most of the double-think speech of our own self-serving politicians.


  • #43
    christmas2012
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    there are absolute bigots in them though..you cant just ignore that im not saying all of them are but there are a few prominent ones there though..


  • #44
    Benny_Cake
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    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

    I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

    Hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants?! They represent themselves and their own members, no one else.


  • #45
    Nodin
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    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

    I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.


    ....but not to attend catholic funerals, weddings or baptisms.


  • #46
    TiGeR KiNgS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭TiGeR KiNgS


    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    No I don't. I think a organisation which represents hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants is not bigoted. They are just Pro Protestant.

    I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from which these Irish Protestants do.

    Isn't it more like 30,000 and falling ?


  • #47
    Chucken
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    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »

    I actually like to give people the liberty of thought and freedom to express the cultural background they come from .

    :pac: Sure!


  • #48
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Yous missed out on recreational rioting for years. Enjoy!


  • #49
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Wouldnt be arsed if they walked down my road as long as they didnt use their drums and instruments (Noise pollution).

    I think its just a fishing/trolling excersise. The best thing is to ignore them. They have zero reason to march in Dublin anyway. Has William of Orange even been to Dublin?


  • #50
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Hundreds of thousands of Irish Protestants?! They represent themselves and their own members, no one else.
    Sorry, I can't change the religion of these Irish people who are in the Orange Order. Not to mention the thousands who aren't in the Orange Order itself who march with them in bands.

    Perhaps this idea of scaremongering against these Irish people will stop soon when they witness what great music they can produce down O'Connell street.


  • #51
    woodoo
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    This was posted on the independent website:

    I wonder would an anti protestant organisation which doesn't allow any of it's members attend a Protestant mass even if it's a funeral. Who's history is steeped in racism and bigotry towards Protestants would be allowed to march down the Shankill road??

    Or how about a deal where Republicans can march down the Shankill if the orange order are allowed down the most historically important street to Irish Republican's. After all fairs fair!!

    I don't understand how any organisation like the Orange order is allowed to exist in today's world. I wonder how the Orange order would be perceived if they had as much hatred towards Jews as they do Catholics. Would they then be outlawed?

    Someone should remind Mr Nelson that many Protestants in Ireland see the Orange order as a pathetic, bigoted and outdated organisation and don't want anything to do with it. Let's stop pretending that this is in any way a tradition but more about triumphalism, intimidation, bullying and hatred. For too long, this sick and twisted organisation has been tolerated and should now be outlawed.


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  • #52
    the groutch
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    did they not learn anything from the last time they tried to have a march in Dublin?


  • #53
    Benny_Cake
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    Patrick Cleburne wrote: »
    Sorry, I can't change the religion of these Irish people who are in the Orange Order. Not to mention the thousands who aren't in the Orange Order itself who march with them in bands.

    Perhaps this idea of scaremongering against these Irish people will stop soon when they witness what great music they can produce down O'Connell street.

    Who want's to change anyone's religion? I don't have any particular problem with them marching, but to claim that they somehow represent all Irish Protestants is an insult to most Protestants frankly.


  • #54
    Nodin
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    the groutch wrote: »
    did they not learn anything from the last time they tried to have a march in Dublin?


    That was wee willie fraser. Lets not slander the name of the orange order by confusing the two.


  • #55
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Nodin wrote: »
    You can't attend any catholic ceremonies - weddings, funerals, baptisms....

    What???? Seriously????

    Their website (I'm assuming it's official) is top notch:pac: And Wikipedia:

    "The Orange Order in Ghana appears to be growing" :pac:

    They are a joke really.


  • #56
    Iwasfrozen
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    or they could march in London, by all means lets change our country to suit the needs of all the minorities.
    Or you could learn to accept the opinions of those different to your own.


  • #57
    fasttalkerchat
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    token101 wrote: »
    What???? Seriously????

    Their website (I'm assuming it's official) is top notch:pac: And Wikipedia:

    "The Orange Order in Ghana appears to be growing" :pac:

    They are a joke really.

    They were well established in the USA at one stage, not sure if its still the case.

    EDIT: Sorry, that's the KKK.


  • #58
    Patrick Cleburne
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Who want's to change anyone's religion? I don't have any particular problem with them marching, but to claim that they somehow represent all Irish Protestants is an insult to most Protestants frankly.
    I didn't say you wanted to change the religion of these Irish people.

    They interact and get on perfectly fine with Protestants who aren't in the Order. Like the thousands of old and young people in bands who aren't in the Order.

    People can show hatred towards these Irish people if they want. Times are changing and you should accept it.

    The Orange Order IS part of Irish society and has been for hundreds of years. You might not like it but it is true and they will get to march down O'Connell street.


  • #59
    gobnaitolunacy
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    From a totally objective and indifferent view IMHO it is an exercise in sh*t-stirring.


  • #60
    Sindri
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You can't attend any catholic ceremonies - weddings, funerals, baptisms....

    Officially you can't but it still occurs.


    It's probably not a good idea because it will probably turn into a riot but I think we should except these people marching in a city that was once also their capital and possibly nationalists should consider that for a united Ireland to be realized these people have to be accommodated. I know they are fools but they celebrate the culture of Protestantism and Unionism on this island, a culture few of us have ever been exposed to, and normalized relations may be beneficial towards further integration of the 2 parts of the island as well as another step forward in the PP.

    Personally I don't give **** either way I just know I'll laugh when I see the some chap I know in a Celtic jersey who actually travelled up to Dublin to riot. :D:pac: I might do it for the craic myself.


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  • #61
    Nodin
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    token101 wrote: »
    What???? Seriously????

    .

    O yeah. 'Popish rites are in error' or some such bollocks. Not sure if theres a ban on other protestants ceremonies (as they only approve of the Calvinist tradition).


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