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Interesting letter from the Irish Times letters page

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Her Facebook profile lists "Being absolutely shít at making decisions" as one of her interests (not messing).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Temaz wrote: »
    Am I alone in sensing a sense of entitlement?!?!?!

    No. You're not alone but the overriding tone of the letter is one of naivety. I think she may regret sending the letter at some stage tbh.

    I agree too with most of the comments about the letter being difficult to follow....however, IT can edit letters and I suspect Avril may have had a bit more to say.

    I wish her well wherever she's off to.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭Red_Wake


    To be honest, if she is experiencing burnout at the end of college then she is in no way suited to being a Barrister or Solicitor. It's only after college that the real stuff starts

    This.

    Anyone who thinks they're finished learning when they graduate from college is an idiot.

    Too many grads are like this IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    This.

    Anyone who thinks they're finished learning when they graduate from college is an idiot.

    Too many grads are like this IMO.

    Most quickly learn of their mistake pretty quickly to be fair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    The feeling I get from her letter is one of unhappiness. When she says "I am now left in the unfortunate position of not wanting to be either a solicitor or barrister.", am I the only one who feels that this isn't what she wants to do but what she will haveto do for work?

    She says sorry to her friends and family for letting them down. I think the poor girl is on a downer. Hopefully, she'll get sorted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭newport2


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    This.

    Anyone who thinks they're finished learning when they graduate from college is an idiot.

    Too many grads are like this IMO.

    +1

    Did engineering. Think I've only probably used 1% of what I did in college in the workplace. Totally different world and she's yet to enter the real one, judging by her letter. WTF?

    Avril: I have a degree, therefore I'm entitled to a job in any field unrelated to my degree without any experience and if you don't give me one I'm writing to a national newspaper to complain and leaving the country.

    You couldn't make this up.

    I expect there will be a few responses to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Temaz wrote: »
    AVRIL MCDOWELL,

    Montenotte,

    Cork.


    Montenotte.... Lol

    *Says out loud in a Mario Rosenstock voice*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Unavailable for Comment


    So, to my family and friends, who supported me through years of schooling and third-level education, it is with a heavy heart that I contemplate leaving. It feels like I have let you down.

    Well Avril, that will depend on whether or not you'll show as much commitment to emigrating as you did to working in the legal profession. Personally I reckon we'll be seeing another letter in the IT in a fortnight or so complaining about how difficult it is to get a passport and how USIT won't supply her with plane tickets for free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    Poor girl is probably only about 22, feeling really down about her situation and, in a moment that she will probably regret, wrote a letter to express this.
    People always use the term "sense of entitlement" in a negative way - I think many of the current generation of young people are losing a sense of entitlement that they should have - people should not have to spend long periods of time working for free in the hope someone will eventually take them on paid.

    The letter may be melodramatic but I think it probably sums up how many people in Ireland feel today -very down about the prospect of emigrating but see no other choice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Sala wrote: »
    I think many of the current generation of young people are losing a sense of entitlement that they should have

    No, they really shouldn't to be honest.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    +1 Sala

    I have no idea what "sense of entitlement" actually means :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    +1 Sala

    I have no idea what "sense of entitlement" actually means :confused:

    Put it this way:

    For some reason people think that because they have completed college, they are then automatically entitled to a high paying, high power job. This is not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    She should go back to college. Best place for someone like her to ride out this pesky recession.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Sala wrote: »
    ......... I think many of the current generation of young people are losing a sense of entitlement that they should have -.................

    I think some people take it to extremes but I agree with your basic point. I just wish this wasn't a case of Ireland going from one absolute extreme to the absolute other. There is an in between level of expectation which is more reasonable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭newport2


    +1 Sala

    I have no idea what "sense of entitlement" actually means :confused:

    This girl has been through law in college, so she's not stupid. She knows that currently there are several hundred thousand people unemployed in this country, many with families to support and many with lots of work experience. She appears to be able to put all that aside and feel it is outrageous that someone such as herself is not finding it easy to get a job in which she has no experience and which is unrelated to what she trained in. She appears to think that because she has been to college she is entitled to one, despite the numbers of experienced people unemployed that are portrayed in news coverage every day. That is a sense of entitlement. The "woe is me" air about the letter does not help her cause either.

    Someone posted above that she will probably regret sending the letter in. I agree, I expect there'll be some unsympatethic responses to it, possibly from some people who are in far worse situations that she is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    newport2 wrote: »
    Someone posted above that she will probably regret sending the letter in. I agree, I expect there'll be some unsympatethic responses to it, possibly from some people who are in far worse situations that she is.

    It wont do her career any favours either. If she can't see the reality of life then she won't make is as a lawyer to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    @Pedant and WEG

    I've read the letter a number of times now and I cannot see how ye are getting that she doesn't want to work in law because she couldn't find work. Pedant you even admitted it was speculation. I know you said your friend had that experience but I see no reason to believe that is the case here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    This is the kind of thread where someone is incorrectly called a begrudger for giving out about someone.

    Just wondering has it happened yet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    This is the kind of thread where someone is incorrectly called a begrudger for giving out about someone.

    Just wondering has it happened yet?
    No, but apparently we have inferiority complexes!?!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭IrishAm


    She is 21-22 and has a masters in law. So she has got brains. She should go back to college and do a course in a field she finds more enjoyable.

    We are suffering enough of a brain drain, as it is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    I don't see the problem with a 22 year old childless singleton emigrating anyway. Not like they're uprooting families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭BASHIR


    Oh boo hoo all that schooling and she still hasn't grown up. Lifes not fair and as soon as she realises this the better off she'll be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    newport2 wrote: »
    This girl has been through law in college, so she's not stupid.

    Why do people think degrees and qualifications on the one hand and stupidity on the other are mutually exclusive ???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭newport2


    I don't see the problem with a 22 year old childless singleton emigrating anyway. Not like they're uprooting families.

    I think the main problem with her emigrating is that she will find that she won't be handed a great job on a silver platter in a field where she has no hands on experience abroad either. She seems to think this has only not happened because she's in Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    Montenotte's a posh area in Cork.

    Those two words don't go in the same sentence :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    She'd really have been better off not writing that letter.........or maybe running it by her parents before hand.

    But look, heh, it's how she feels. You live and learn, huh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    mackg wrote: »
    @Pedant and WEG

    I've read the letter a number of times now and I cannot see how ye are getting that she doesn't want to work in law because she couldn't find work. Pedant you even admitted it was speculation. I know you said your friend had that experience but I see no reason to believe that is the case here.

    My take on her letter -

    "rejections letters from past" -were for jobs in the legal field
    "alternative jobs....no experience!" - all other fields
    "not wanting to be a solicitor or barrister" - venting

    I tried to read the above as one whole sentence and it didn't make sense.
    I do think she has tried to gain employment in the legal field and keeps getting knocked back with rejection letters. Tried alternative jobs and no success again, this time due to lack of experience.

    Now she believes her only option is to emigrate. As I said before, she appears unhappy and her writing style is very erratic and I do hope she is ok.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Why do people think degrees and qualifications on the one hand and stupidity on the other are mutually exclusive ???

    I know people who did law and are working as solicitors but they're thick as sh*te when it comes to how the world works.

    On top of that they're racist, homophobic and are shockingly uncultured in just about every aspect of their life.

    Needless to say they're getting on fabulously in the Irish legal profession.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    My take on her letter -

    "rejections letters from past" -were for jobs in the legal field
    "alternative jobs....no experience!" - all other fields
    "not wanting to be a solicitor or barrister" - venting

    No jobs in the legal field, sure she probably knew this 3/4 years ago.

    "no experience" - That's the most important part here. It shows that she's applying for jobs out of her league instead of starting at a lower grade job and moving up. A college qualification doesn't entitle you to jump in at the top in any industry.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    Temaz wrote: »
    Am I alone in sensing a sense of entitlement?!?!?!

    How did this government let her down exactly? I despise Fine Gael slightly slightly less than Fianna Fail but they weren't in power when the wheels came off.

    Blaming the wrong people. She should be blaming herself for picking and then continuing a course she wasn't ultimately interested in.


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