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Interesting letter from the Irish Times letters page

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  • #32
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    Montenotte's a posh area in Cork.

    She doesn't cite financial issues, so I'd assume there are none.

    I'd say she's Alison O' Riordan part deux, tbh.

    It sickening people comparing her to Alison O'Riordan.

    The girl probably worked her ass off in college, meanwhile there are little spoiled kids, like O'Riordan, who can walk into a job with any half-ass degree behind them simply because their daddy has connections. If this girl was anything along the same lines as O'Riordan, she'd probably be in employment by now.


  • #33
    AeoNGriM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭AeoNGriM


    Agree with the sentiment in the thread, studied for a particular field, do not want, expect free jobs in different field?

    Tits or GTFO tbh


  • #34
    FinnLizzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭FinnLizzy


    Morlar wrote: »
    She should understand that there is a long line of Irish people who have been forced, due to economic circumstances, to do the very same thing going back generation after generation. Unfortunately this country has always had other priorities. It's ironic that this country is so accomodating to non eu immigrants while simultaneously forcing our own to leave.

    Non-EU citizens are usually happy to take any job that comes to them here. Irish people just have higher expectations, and usually want to find skilled work.


  • #35
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    smash wrote: »
    I doubt it. I'd say the sense of entitlement is getting in the way again... "Oh I'm too good for that job" kind of attitude.

    How do you know she's not able to get a job here in business in Ireland? Maybe she wants to follow her dream of being a lawyer first and want to move abroad to fulfill that dream. If that doesn't work out then she can come back and do something in business. I don't think it's a sense of entitlement, rather I think it's ambition and there's nothing wrong with that.


  • #36
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Pedant wrote: »
    How do you know she's not able to get a job here in business in Ireland? Maybe she wants to follow her dream of being a lawyer first and want to move abroad to fulfill that dream.
    Nope: "I am now left in the unfortunate position of not wanting to be either a solicitor or barrister."


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  • #37
    Pedant
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    smash wrote: »
    Nope: "I am now left in the unfortunate position of not wanting to be either a solicitor or barrister."

    She doesn't want to because it's hard to get an apprenticeship in the industry. If you can't find work in it, then you move onto something else. She has no choice in the matter. Maybe "want" is a wrong word to use, but I know of many many law graduates who are in the same position. They dreamed of becoming a lawyer and then when the real world comes upon them, then see how difficult it is to get apprenticeships (even unpaid ones). It's about who you know, not what you know. I'm led to believe that she, like a lot of law graduates, don't have a choice in the matter. It's either emigrate and take the necessary steps towards qualifying abroad or stay here and move into something else other than law, that's if they aren't able to get an apprenticeship here first (which is extremely hard).


  • #38
    Jester252
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    Pedant wrote: »
    She doesn't want to because it's hard to get a job in the industry. If you can't find work in it, then you move onto something else. She has no choice in the matter. Maybe "want" is a wrong word to use, but I know of many many law graduates who are in the same position. They dreamed of becoming a lawyer and then when the real world comes upon them, then see how difficult it is to get apprenticeships (even unpaid ones). It's about who you know, not what you know.

    But in the letter she says that she doesn't what a job in the field that she studied. She is complain because she can't get a job in another field with her degree. She also states she is fighting the idea of starting from the bottom. She believes that has this degree entitles her to a top level job in another field. If that is not a sense of entitlement I don't know what passes for one in Ireland


  • #39
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    Pedant wrote: »
    She doesn't want to because it's hard to get a job in the industry. If you can't find work in it, then you move onto something else. She has no choice in the matter. Maybe "want" is a wrong word to use, but I know of many many law graduates who are in the same position. They dreamed of becoming a lawyer and then when the real world comes upon them, then see how difficult it is to get apprenticeships (even unpaid ones). It's about who you know, not what you know. I'm led to believe that she, like a lot of law graduates, don't have a choice in the matter.

    From the OP
    I am now left in the unfortunate position of not wanting to be either a solicitor or barrister.Rejection letters from past, alternative job applications have oft-stated my lack of “real-life” experience.

    Her applications were not for work in the law field.


  • #40
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Pedant wrote: »
    She doesn't want to because it's hard to get a job in the industry. If you can't find work in it, then you move onto something else. She has no choice in the matter. Maybe "want" is a wrong word to use, but I know of many many law graduates who are in the same position. They dreamed of becoming a lawyer and then when the real world comes upon them, then see how difficult it is to get apprenticeships (even unpaid ones). It's about who you know, not what you know. I'm led to believe that she, like a lot of law graduates, don't have a choice in the matter. It's either go abroad and take the necessary steps towards qualifying abroad or stay here and move into something else other than law, that's if aren't able to get an apprenticeship.

    Yet she hasn't mentioned the possibility of changing her career path. So it sounds like she hasn't even bothered looking into it.


  • #41
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,227 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    its hard to feal any sympathy for her cause - yeah, sense of entitlement oozes out - surprised IT published it, bit of the spoilt child


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  • #42
    mitosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭mitosis


    I had a look on Facebook. She seems lonely - maybe the real reason she's leaving...........


  • #43
    Pedant
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    Jester252 wrote: »
    But in the letter she says that she doesn't what a job in the field that she studied. She is complain because she can't get a job in another field with her degree. She also states she is fighting the idea of starting from the bottom. She believes that has this degree entitles her to a top level job in another field. If that is not a sense of entitlement I don't know what passes for one in Ireland
    mackg wrote: »
    From the OP



    Her applications were not for work in the law field.

    I know it's mere speculation but I'm led believe she doesn't want to become a lawyer because it's too difficult to get an apprenticeship. I'm sure further elaboration will indicate this and her decision wasn't just taken on a whim. The phrase "unfortunate position" and the fact that she thought it necessary to pursue a masters degree in her chosen field (presumably law) indicates to me that she initially wanted to do it but had no choice but to change direction to pursue something else.


  • #44
    opinion guy
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    Red_Wake wrote: »
    Montenotte's a posh area in Cork.

    She doesn't cite financial issues, so I'd assume there are none.

    I'd say she's Alison O' Riordan part deux, tbh.

    Aha. Clearly I'm not familiar with the socioeconomic layout of the peoples republic.:D

    Lol was waiting for the Alison O Riordain comparison.
    Pedant wrote: »
    It sickening people comparing her to Alison O'Riordan.

    The girl probably worked her ass off in college, meanwhile there are little spoiled kids, like O'Riordan, who can walk into a job with any half-ass degree behind them simply because their daddy has connections. If this girl was anything along the same lines as O'Riordan, she'd probably be in employment by now.

    Jesus lighten up.


  • #45
    Show Time
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    She is no loss to Cork.


  • #46
    mackg
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    Show Time wrote: »
    She is no loss to Cork.

    Let's not go making rash statements before we find out if she's hot! :pac:


  • #47
    westendgirlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    Bloody Hell give the poor girl a break!

    Absolutely nothing wrong with having ambition. She has obviously studied hard to get her law degree and was probably looking forward to the next step - Work Experience.

    How many of you have been knocked back for a job before? Makes you feel like sh1t, even for a few seconds. So if this girl has put pen to paper to vent, just let her.


  • #48
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    westendgirlie wrote: »
    Bloody Hell give the poor girl a break!

    Absolutely nothing wrong with having ambition. She has obviously studied hard to get her law degree and was probably looking forward to the next step - Work Experience.

    How many of you have been knocked back for a job before? Makes you feel like sh1t, even for a few seconds. So if this girl has put pen to paper to vent, just let her.

    Exactly, I'm sick of the inferiority complex some people have. If you worked hard in school and in college and get the qualifications I think you should at least expect a little more than someone who decided not to give a toss about education and leave school early. I mean working hard all those years and then throwing it away from something far less is a terrible waste. Is it too much to have to ambition to get on in life and pursue your dreams if you're willing to work for it?


  • #49
    Temaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    westendgirlie wrote: »
    Bloody Hell give the poor girl a break!

    Absolutely nothing wrong with having ambition. She has obviously studied hard to get her law degree and was probably looking forward to the next step - Work Experience.
    .
    I am now left in the unfortunate position of not wanting to be either a solicitor or barrister.

    From her letter.


  • #50
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    Temaz wrote: »
    From her letter.
    And what does that have to do with her studying hard or not?


  • #51
    starlit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    The government, employment and education system here in Ireland has let her down on that front. Its unfortunate she has had to emigrate else where as well as having completed an excellent course and achieved excellent qualifications that she is left to have to look for jobs else where.


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  • #52
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Pedant wrote: »
    Exactly, I'm sick of the inferiority complex some people have.
    Who has that?
    Pedant wrote: »
    If you worked hard in school and in college and get the qualifications I think you should at least expect a little more than someone who decided not to give a toss about education and leave school early.
    I'm going to guess that the school drop outs aren't taking the solicitor positions she's after.
    Pedant wrote: »
    I mean working hard all those years and then throwing it away from something far less is a terrible waste.
    What exactly is far less? I don't hear people telling her to go and work in McDonalds.
    Pedant wrote: »
    Is it too much to have to ambition to get on in life and pursue your dreams if you're willing to work for it?
    Why not ask her that, considering she studied law and now has no ambition to do it?


  • #53
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Give her a break. She's obviously worked hard throughout college and is ambitious. I don't really understand her job expectations or why she might think you can get any job without some sort of experience , but at least she is getting up off her h*le.

    This is the bright and ambitious sort who will emigrate and contribute to someone's else's economy, and we'll be left with all the lazy good for nothings who are content to slag her kind off on AH*.


    *No offence to all you lazy good for nothings intended.


  • #54
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Red_Wake wrote: »
    I'd have a lot more sympathy if she wasn't intent on being a barrister/solicitor - closed professions if ever there were any.

    Not true


  • #55
    starlit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    Law isn't as straightforward or as easy an area to study there is a lot attached to it. A lot of hard work and endurance. Yes you get your degree in it but you still need to get your Law/Bar/FE1's Exams, to pass them before being considered qualified!

    Its tough going trying to find work in it at the moment so fair dues to her for trying.

    It happens to a lot of people they study something and have an ambition for it, when it comes to the end of the road its not worth it any more due to difficulty in searching for a job. So what else can they do, change career and start again and get a job in something that they can get into. Sometimes people don't know what they want and try a few things before they do.

    It was her dream to be a barrister but unfortunately she has suffered burn out I suppose trying to find work and having achieved so much in her education that it has become meaningless and not of value so basically she wants to go into a career than is not meaningless and that is of value.


  • #56
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I'm sorry but can people stop saying she's ambitious. Where are you getting this from?

    She has totally given up and is blaming everyone else now. She's not the only one in her position, but she's got an advantage of having that qualification which would help her to change career path pretty easily. But no, she's talking about the law qualifications which she admits she doesn't even want to do any more.


  • #57
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    doovdela wrote: »
    Law isn't as straightforward or as easy an area to study there is a lot attached to it. A lot of hard work and endurance. Yes you get your degree in it but you still need to get your Law/Bar/FE1's Exams, to pass them before being considered qualified!

    Its tough going trying to find work in it at the moment so fair dues to her for trying.

    It happens to a lot of people they study something and have an ambition for it, when it comes to the end of the road its not worth it any more due to difficulty in searching for a job. So what else can they do, change career and start again and get a job in something that they can get into.

    It was her dream to be a barrister but unfortunately she has suffered burn out I suppose trying to find work and having achieved so much in her education that it has become meaningless and not of value so basically she wants to go into a career than is not meaningless and that is of value.

    To be honest, if she is experiencing burnout at the end of college then she is in no way suited to being a Barrister or Solicitor. It's only after college that the real stuff starts


  • #58
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Could it be that after years of schooling and third-level education she seemingly can't write a coherent letter is part of her problem?

    I've read her letter a couple of times and I still don't know is she saying that after studying for a law degree she now does not want to work in that area but feels she should be able to walk into a job in another area for which she has no experience or qualification or is she simply saying that she can't get employment in the area in which she has a qualification?
    I thought the law was all about precision and clarity ..... if her job application letters are as incoherent as her letter to the IT it possibly explains a lot.


  • #59
    Dr.Strange
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 181 ✭✭Dr.Strange


    mackg wrote: »
    Let's not go making rash statements before we find out if she's hot! :pac:

    A stalker friend of mine put her name into a thing called Face Books and reported back that this girl is indeed hot.


  • #60
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Dr.Strange wrote: »
    A stalker friend of mine put her name into a thing called Face Books and reported back that this girl is indeed hot.
    She likes deadmau5... hope she didn't put that on her CV!


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  • #61
    JustAddWater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    Show Time wrote: »
    She is no loss to Cork.

    It seems they all agree!

    http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4349655


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