The FA Premier League - BSkyB, BT, and Setanta win Irish rights 2013-2016

batistuta9 · 27-06-2012 12:59PM

p.oconnor wrote: »

Thats exactly what I was always thinking, the Premier League is huge business in Ireland, the publicity and advertisement revenue from a channel other then Sky winning the big 4pm and MNF matches would be massive which would at the very least break even or be profit making. Thats why I think there is an opening for a new commercial channel in Ireland which would not have the debt TV3/RTE has on its back.

even the saturday 3pm games would be a start - what the hell is on at 3pm on terrestrial TV on a saturday - but maybe it's not so simple

so what is happening with the new TV deal regards england?
Have Sky gotten what they have now & BT got ESPN's games

p.oconnor · 27-06-2012 02:00PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

so what is happening with the new TV deal regards england?

From a few pages ago,

Package A: 26 at Sat 12.45pm
- 13 1st picks
- 13 4th picks

Package B: 16-18 at Sat 5.30pm; 6-7 at Sun 12pm or 1.30pm/2.05pm; 2-3 Bank hols
- 22 3rd picks
- 4 5th picks

Package C: 26 at Sun 1.30pm/2.05pm
- 13 2nd picks
- 13 3rd picks

Package

26 at Sun 4pm/4.10pm
- 20 1st picks
- 6 4th picks

Package E: 18-22 at Mon 8pm; 4-8 at Sun 4pm/4.10pm or Sat 12.45pm
- 12 2nd picks
- 10 4th picks
- 4 5th picks

Package F: 12 at Sat 5.30pm
- 8 2nd picks
- 4 4th picks

Package G: 10 Midweek and Bank hols; 2 at Sat 12.45pm
- 5 1st picks
- 5 2nd picks
- 2 5th picks

Club Quotas (in alphabetical package order):
Maximum: 5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 2, 2 (Total = 28)
Minimum: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0 (Total = 5)

Pick totals:
- 38 1st picks
- 38 2nd picks
- 35 3rd picks
- 33 4th picks
- 10 5th picks

Sky gets B, C, D, E, F.
BT get package A, G

... BT have possibly secured some big fixtures with the above.

redabbey · 01-07-2012 06:09PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jul/01/bt-vision-marc-watson-interview

BT Vision's Marc Watson: How we stole a share of the Premier League crown jewels

Chief executive reveals how pay-TV minnow snatched the rights to some of the biggest football matches from BSkyB

batistuta9 · 02-07-2012 07:17AM

p.oconnor wrote: »

From a few pages ago,

Package A: 26 at Sat 12.45pm
- 13 1st picks
- 13 4th picks
......................

Club Quotas (in alphabetical package order):
Maximum: 5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 2, 2 (Total = 28)
Minimum: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0 (Total = 5)

Pick totals:
- 38 1st picks
- 38 2nd picks
- 35 3rd picks
- 33 4th picks
- 10 5th picks

Sky gets B, C, D, E, F.
BT get package A, G

... BT have possibly secured some big fixtures with the above.

what do the order of the picks (1st picks, 4th picks) mean exactly?
Most of the time is it not usually 1 game being played at 12:45 on a saturday & 1 game at 8:00pm on a monday for example what have the picks to do with these.

and the max/min is the amount of times clubs can/have to feature in these packages, right?

icdg · 02-07-2012 01:03PM

The "default" start time for all FA Premier League fixtures is Saturday 3pm. The picks are the order in which broadcasters pick which games from the list for that gameweek they wish to show. They are then moved to the particular time slots that the broadcasters have the rights to show games in.

Of course, games are sometimes moved for reasons other than broadcasting. The police usually insist that derby games kick off early for crowd control reasons (really so that punters don't have much time to go to the pub beforehand and get drunk). Teams playing in the UEFA Europa League won't usually play on Saturdays. Swansea and Reading both ground share with rugby teams so they have to accommodate their fixture lists also. A game being moved doesn't necessarily mean that Sky must pick them for e.g. Super Sunday - you'll find many Sundays for instance that there are four Sunday games, a 2pm and 4pm game on Super Sunday and two 3pm kick offs that aren't televised but which were moved to Sunday for other reasons.

batistuta9 · 02-07-2012 01:17PM

icdg wrote: »

The "default" start time for all FA Premier League fixtures is Saturday 3pm. The picks are the order in which broadcasters pick which games from the list for that gameweek they wish to show. They are then moved to the particular time slots that the broadcasters have the rights to show games in.

who decides who's first on the gameweek though maybe i missed it but like who'll decide who picks first on GW 1? all's that's listed above is time slots nothing about the GW

Elmo · 02-07-2012 01:34PM

p.oconnor wrote: »

Thats why I think there is an opening for a new commercial channel in Ireland which would not have the debt TV3/RTE has on its back.

The new service would need funding and most likely would get it from a bank.

p.oconnor · 02-07-2012 03:45PM

Elmo wrote: »

The new service would need funding and most likely would get it from a bank.

Or the use of profits of a company like BT did maybe? What are profits like at UPC or Magnet do you know?

mike2084 · 02-07-2012 09:28PM

Interesting to see that BT are considering not making their games available on satellite. Of course we won't really know what it means for us until the Irish rights are sorted out.

http://www.digitalspy.ie/media/news/a390981/bt-vision-may-not-let-sky-air-its-premier-league-games.html

EDIT: Think link is only referring to the Guardian link as already posted.

Johnny Johnson · 02-07-2012 11:51PM

Pretty foolish decision if they go ahead with the no satellite plan.

Skid · 03-07-2012 12:32AM

Johnny Johnson wrote: »

Pretty foolish decision if they go ahead with the no satellite plan.

BT wanted the Premier Rights to give their BT Vision system a purpose, not to act as partners with Sky.

It would be a risky move, but they see it as part of a long term strategy.

batistuta9 · 03-07-2012 09:40AM

Their only considering not offering the new channel their going to start to sky, obviously it'll be on BT Vision & they'll probably put it on Virgin as well.

I actually think this is bad for us over here, if the do give Sky the channel it'll be an extra cost for Sky subscribers here & if the don't well they don't, so a lot of people will not get to see matches, they could offer it to UPC but that's not great for the majority of the country.

Elmo · 03-07-2012 09:49AM

batistuta9 wrote: »

Their only considering not offering the new channel their going to start to sky, obviously it'll be on BT Vision & they'll probably put it on Virgin as well.

I actually think this is bad for us over here, if the do give Sky the channel it'll be an extra cost for Sky subscribers here & if the don't well they don't, so a lot of people will not get to see matches, they could offer it to UPC but that's not great for the majority of the country.

The journalist eludes to the idea that they might but I don't think he actually said they will avoid Sky.

From Digital Spy

Of the possibility that BT Vision may not offer its packages to Sky subscribers, Watson said: "That is an option, but it is early days, we are considering all options.

"Having games like these gives you options. We have had a lot of calls in the last few weeks. My instinctive view is to look to make it widely available, but we will see."

Watson added: "We'd have taken more games at the right price. For the first time in history the Premier League sold the first-pick matches, the crown jewels, to someone other than Sky.

"We had a plan and we stuck to the plan. As a company we were pretty calm. We were never panicking and were confident in what we were going to do. We understood the risks and benefits and approached it with calm confidence - that is not to say arrogance."

From the Guardian

BT intends to launch a Premier League channel that it will offer to rivals, although some observers believe that the company should turn the tables on Rupert Murdoch and keep it off Sky. Then, because it already has Sky's sports channels, BT Vision would be able to market itself as being the only place to watch all live Premier League matches.

However, Watson says he is keeping an open mind. "That is an option [not offering the channel to Sky], but it is early days, we are considering all options," he says. "Having games like these gives you options. We have had a lot of calls in the last few weeks. My instinctive view is to look to make it widely available, but we will see."

I think they would be mad not to provide the channel to BSkyB. Sky can do that with some of its channels but that is because it has a near monopoly. It's to early for BT to consider this IMO.

Johnny Johnson · 03-07-2012 10:35AM

Skid wrote: »

BT wanted the Premier Rights to give their BT Vision system a purpose, not to act as partners with Sky.

It would be a risky move, but they see it as part of a long term strategy.

It will be the ITV Sport Channel all over again if they keep it exclusive to their own platform and ignore millions of potential satellite and cable customers.

Personally I am going the foreign satellite route next year so the BT games will probably be available to me anyway.

channelsurfer2 · 03-07-2012 11:02AM

remember you might not have the option of subscribing to the new bt channel here in ireland if they dont get the rights for the same matches in ireland.... it may be a case that someone else eg setanta or UPC might actually have the irish rights to these games.

Manc-Red · 03-07-2012 05:05PM

BT are saying that they want to make there Premier League Channel available on lots of different platforms...

OK, nothing said about Ireland but it makes an interesting read in regards to HD & 3D content.

http://tvsportsnews.blogspot.ie/2012/06/bt-premier-league-hd-3d.html

Elmo · 03-07-2012 05:08PM

Manc-Red wrote: »

BT are saying that they want to make there Premier League Channel available on lots of different platforms...

OK, nothing said about Ireland but it makes an interesting read in regards to HD & 3D content.

http://tvsportsnews.blogspot.ie/2012/06/bt-premier-league-hd-3d.html

Of course BT could do a deal with Sky to exclude UPC from getting the new channel

Manc-Red · 03-07-2012 05:12PM

Elmo wrote: »

Of course BT could do a deal with Sky to exclude UPC from getting the new channel

Jeebs that would be lousy if you're on cable...

The real question is how much this bad-boy is going to set us back.....

p.oconnor · 03-07-2012 05:20PM

Elmo wrote: »

Of course BT could do a deal with Sky to exclude UPC from getting the new channel

Or UPC could buy the rights and keep them off Sky in Ireland .... depends how you look at it.

Johnny Johnson · 03-07-2012 06:00PM

Elmo wrote: »

Of course BT could do a deal with Sky to exclude UPC from getting the new channel

Or BT could easily got give a care in the world about Ireland.

Manc-Red · 03-07-2012 06:03PM

Johnny Johnson wrote: »

Or BT could easily got give a care in the world about Ireland.

They will - they'll have their channel on one or more of the platforms here imo.

batistuta9 · 03-07-2012 06:21PM

Manc-Red wrote: »

They will - they'll have their channel on one or more of the platforms here imo.

UPC wouldn't be the best way to go for them then, maybe they could just give the channel to Sky to be broadcast only in ireland & not the UK

Manc-Red · 03-07-2012 06:26PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

UPC wouldn't be the best way to go for them then, maybe they could just give the channel to Sky to be broadcast only in ireland & not the UK

It's a great shout - I'd love to see that happening too & all lol!!

Johnny Johnson · 03-07-2012 06:45PM

Manc-Red wrote: »

They will - they'll have their channel on one or more of the platforms here imo.

Have they successfully bid for Irish rights?

Elmo · 03-07-2012 06:46PM

Johnny Johnson wrote: »

Have they successfully bid for Irish rights?

No.

p.oconnor · 03-07-2012 06:54PM

When will we make our predictions for final outcome of rights in Ireland?

Johnny Johnson · 03-07-2012 07:04PM

Setanta will retain 3pm rights. Sky will mirror what they have in the UK.

I am not going to guess on the other games as BT have not given any indication about any plans they might have for Ireland

Manc-Red · 03-07-2012 07:10PM

Setanta regain 3pms

Sky to have identical rights as the UK.

BT to have a Sports channel available on Sky & UPC to mirror their 38 games in the UK.

We shall see .....

p.oconnor · 03-07-2012 07:14PM

Highlights: TG4

Packages B, C, D, E, F: Sky Sports

Packages A,G: Setanta Sports (BT if decide to bid)

3pm Sat Games: Setanta Sports (BT if decide to bid)

SKY - 116 games
Setanta (BT) - 71 games

..... Whatever happens I hope the rights are on 2 channels to keep the cost down.

channelsurfer2 · 03-07-2012 09:30PM

my predication.

highlights-- rte2
sky --same packages as uk
setanta -- just the 3pm games only with sky the dark horse to take these too.
upc or eircom -- the other 2 packages...

The FA Premier League - BSkyB, BT, and Setanta win Irish rights 2013-2016

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