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New law to ban smoking in cars where children are present

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  • #32
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    the_syco wrote: »
    Already in effect at most train stations. It's just ignored for the open air railway stations.

    Really?
    I'm susrprised at that. Don't think I've ever seen No Smoking signs at open air train stations. Have seen plenty of ash trays in them mind.


  • #33
    saiint
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    soon we will be confined to sitting in a 3x3 metre box with a little chair inside, with a sign saying smoking allowed

    note* this box will be in our house


  • #34
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    saiint wrote: »
    soon we will be confined to sitting in a 3x3 metre box with a little chair inside, with a sign saying smoking allowed

    note* this box will be in our house
    And risk your spouse and children breathing your smoke? Will this box be ventilated?

    GTFO!


  • #35
    saiint
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    senordingdong wrote: »
    And risk your spouse and children breathing your smoke? Will this box be ventilated?

    GTFO!

    my "spouse" smokes and i dont have a child
    so their is no risk :)

    i hate children
    their all the devils children anyway :D
    ANTI-LIFE!!!


  • #36
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    saiint wrote: »
    my "spouse" smokes and i dont have a child
    so their is no risk :)

    i hate children
    their all the devils children anyway :D
    ANTI-LIFE!!!

    Yeah well nobody said you were allowed to have a chair in your box!
    Stand!


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  • #37
    _feedback_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Although in theory it's a sound idea, it doesn't really work or make sense in practice. Why are only cars being targeted?
    And who is going to enforce it since AGS barely enforce any road laws as it stands...

    My thoughts exactly. While smoking in a car with a child is clearly not a good thing to be doing, a law against it is pretty pointless. Some will ignore it as it obviously wont be enforced, and others will want a smoke and abandon the car wherever they want.

    The amount of times I have been driving behind someone and BAM! HIT THE BRAKES! Looks like a kid has run out in front of them, or the tyre has blown, but no... a look in the window sees them answering the bloody phone.

    The other evening I was approaching a roundabout and the exit to my right had traffic going back as far as the eye could see, because some clown had stopped just off the roundabout on the phone and blocked the traffic. Unreal..

    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    it's no big deal to stop along the way and get out for a smoke.


  • #38
    saiint
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Yeah well nobody said you were allowed to have a chair in your box!
    Stand!

    their would probably be no poxy room for a chair anyway
    il stand


  • #39
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Really?
    I'm susrprised at that. Don't think I've ever seen No Smoking signs at open air train stations. Have seen plenty of ash trays in them mind.
    Aye. Maynooth station, for example, on the Sligo to Dublin platform, you'll be nudged out of the space between two points when it's quite. Not sure if they do it when it's busy. A few other stations have the same, but it's mostly ignored. Connolly and Heuston stations have the "if it's under the roof it's not allowed" mentality, but it's not always enforced.


  • #40
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    smoking in cars is hardly the biggest health threat to children, what about all those millions of children that are thrown into cars and driven to the golden arches so they can become addicted to the worst idea for food that ever came out of america.


  • #41
    saiint
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    confine mackers to a box
    ... with a chair


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  • #42
    forfuxsake
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    Smoking in cars does far more damage to childrens' lungs than smoking in a house.

    We shouldn't have to legislate for this though but the sad reality is that some people in Ireland are so fúcking selfish and/or retarded that we do. Anyone who thinks it is a bad idea to have a law against poisoning children is a fúcking idiot.

    As someone who smoked for twenty years I feel cheated out of every penny I spent on them. They are expensive, deliver no high, smelly, silly looking and so highly addictive that otherwise intelligent people defend them because not to would be admitting to oneself that smoking is stupid.


  • #43
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smoking should be illegal everywhere. These outdated stupid bastards illegalise this and that but let's leave the biggest killer on the loose.

    I am a smoker 16 years, maybe only p/t now when drinking as I've been for some 7 years now but still can't manage to completely kick it.

    Smoking should be illegal and if I ever see someone attempting to light up in front of my kids they shall be booted immediately. It's a disguisting thing and causes harm to everyone else around, smoking or not.


  • #44
    forfuxsake
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    Jay D wrote: »
    smoking should be illegal everywhere. These outdated stupid bastards illegalise this and that but let's leave the biggest killer on the loose.

    I am a smoker 16 years, maybe only p/t now when drinking as I've been for some 7 years now but still can't manage to completely kick it.

    Smoking should be illegal and if I ever see someone attempting to light up in front of my kids they shall be booted immediately. It's a disguisting thing and causes harm to everyone else around, smoking or not.

    well said sir.


  • #45
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Jay D wrote: »
    smoking should be illegal everywhere. These outdated stupid bastards illegalise this and that but let's leave the biggest killer on the loose.

    I am a smoker 16 years, maybe only p/t now when drinking as I've been for some 7 years now but still can't manage to completely kick it.

    Smoking should be illegal and if I ever see someone attempting to light up in front of my kids they shall be booted immediately. It's a disguisting thing and causes harm to everyone else around, smoking or not.

    Then you get done for assualt rightly so.


  • #46
    MagicSean
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    With the suggested no smoking in public parks law, which personally I dont mind, will open a flood gate however.

    A park is open space. So is a street.

    I'd say that's more down to the cigarette butts smokers dop at will.


  • #47
    saiint
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    Jay D wrote: »
    smoking should be illegal everywhere. These outdated stupid bastards illegalise this and that but let's leave the biggest killer on the loose.

    I am a smoker 16 years, maybe only p/t now when drinking as I've been for some 7 years now but still can't manage to completely kick it.

    Smoking should be illegal and if I ever see someone attempting to light up in front of my kids they shall be booted immediately. It's a disguisting thing and causes harm to everyone else around, smoking or not.


    so if someone lit up a smoke while you were at a bustop with your kids and he/she was waiting on the bus as well, you'd give them a boot? dont lie


  • #48
    forfuxsake
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    Odysseus wrote: »
    Then you get done for assualt rightly so.

    somebody assaults your child and they deserve what's coming. last week in the park my 4 month year was coughing due to the smoke of another parent. There were words and he put it out, but with the paternal anger rage I felt at seeing my newborn coughing on someone elses poison, things could have ended differently.


  • #49
    Mugser
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    Smoking in cars should be banned FULL STOP!!:mad:

    For the health benefit of other passengers as mentioned firstly,
    but..
    If a driver is smoking it distracts them from what they are supposed to be doing.... driving! The second or two it takes to light up, is a second or two with their eyes off the road. Pure stupid and dangerous!

    Also...

    I've witnessed a lot of smokers 'flick' their butts out the windows when they are finished.. littering and bloody dangerous too.

    and finally...

    A family member of mine recently purchased a used car, all seemed well with the car and all checked out with the sales man, apart from his strong scent of aftershave... a few days after the purchase the lingering smell of stale cigarette smoke started to emerge from the car. It lingers in the seats, carpets, headliners.. stains the glass etc. Took a lot of work and odour eating products to set things right.

    my €0.02


  • #50
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I think a media campaign to embarrass people into not smoking around their kids -especially in enclosed spaces would be better than enacting a new law that's unlikely to be enforced.

    What if the child in the car was 14 and having a smoke himself? Father and son lighting up their tobacco pipes in the car and having an old smoke...

    I mean, what could be more natural than two directly related primates hurtling around in a wheeled metal box smoking a plant that's destroying their lungs?


  • #51
    MagicSean
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I think a media campaign to embarrass people into not smoking around their kids -especially in enclosed spaces would be better than enacting a new law that's unlikely to be enforced.

    What if the child in the car was 14 and having a smoke himself? Father and son lighting up their tobacco pipes in the car and having an old smoke...

    I mean, what could be more natural than two directly related primates hurtling around in a wheeled metal box smoking a plant that's destroying their lungs?

    I'd rather they start with a media campaign for people who smoke while pregnant.


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  • #52
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I'd rather they start with a media campaign for people who smoke while pregnant.

    The ultimate enclosed space designed by evolution to protect and nurture its occupant.


  • #53
    Pedant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Pedant


    I'm against the ban because I think it's yet another discriminatory law against stupid people.


  • #54
    Jester252
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    I love the new type of smoker that Ireland has. Whenever I'm in a room with a smoker he or she will ask if it okay for them to lighting up inside ever if its their house. One of my friends will ever ask before lighting up outside.


  • #55
    The Master of Disaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭The Master of Disaster


    I agree with banning it in cars with children as it's such an enclosed space but then again I always thought adults with any intelligence or consideration wouldn't light up but experience has taught me otherwise!

    Even as a non-smoker I don't, however, agree with banning it in parks or the such. It's an open space and so I find you tend not to even really notice if somebody's smoking or not. I mean as long as it doesn't affect me we need to retain some supposed liberties.

    I'm more curious as to how they'll enforce this? Using speed cameras to zoom in on smokers? Or just if a guard happens to see you? Either way it means that 99% of 'offenders' would probably get away with it.


  • #56
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    the_syco wrote: »
    Aye. Maynooth station, for example, on the Sligo to Dublin platform, you'll be nudged out of the space between two points when it's quite. Not sure if they do it when it's busy. A few other stations have the same, but it's mostly ignored. Connolly and Heuston stations have the "if it's under the roof it's not allowed" mentality, but it's not always enforced.

    That used to drive me mad in Connolly station because they used to have those big old diesel trains, sitting there for hours with their engines running, filling the whole (huge) roofed section of the station with exhaust fumes, but smoking a cigarette wasn't allowed!


  • #57
    Nothingbetter2d
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Rte article:
    Minister for Health James Reilly was given the go-ahead to draw up amendments to a Seanad Private Members Bill on the issue.
    The Bill, introduced by Senators John Crown, Jillian van Turnhout and Mark Daly, advocated a ban on all smoking in cars when children are in the vehicle.


    Now, its a given that a parent shouldnt smoke in closed spaces around a child. Thats wrong. I'm a smoker and I agree to that.

    But I can't help but feel there is a little bullsh*t going on with regards to smoking and the government. On one hand, the smoking ban in pubs, talks about no smoking in public parks and now this. Alot of anti-smoking stances.

    But on the other hand they will never ban smoking outright as it generates too much money in tax. So where are the govenment going with smoking?
    Alot of laws in regards to it. But yet, wont ban it outright :confused:

    it is a stupid idea that the gardai wont enforce because it will be too hard to proove.

    it will cost the tax payer more money trying to police and prosecute people who will end up using free legal aid and get off on the basis of the fact it is all hearsay evidence. just cos u smell tobacco smoke in a car doesn't necessarily mean a person was smoking while a child was present.

    the smell of tobacco smoke can linger in a car for days. a nanny state step too far imo


  • #58
    Roger Sterling
    Closed Accounts Posts: 978 ✭✭✭Roger Sterling


    You shouldn't smoke while driving fullstop IMO, and I say this as a smoker. Anything that in any way inhibits your control of the wheel i.e. holding a ciggy and intermittently taking a drag should be banned.


  • #59
    token56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭token56


    The most depressing thing for me about this is that some people actually need to be told to not smoke in a confined space like a car with your child there. But unfortunately there are people with such little common sense so these type of laws are necessary.

    Everybody should have the right to smoke but in a civil society everybody also have a responsibility to not harm others around them unnecessarily. To any person with an ounce of common sense this comes naturally to them but if legislation is need to wake up those that can't put the two of these together then so be it.


  • #60
    downwithpeace
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    If people want to blame someone for laws like these then blame the people that screw it up for everyone else, no one should be smoking in an enclosed area with a child, in fairness to others they shouldn't even be smoking in enclosed areas with non-smokers.


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
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    I don't think the type of people who would smoke in a car with their children are the type to give a fiddlers whether it's against the law or not.


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