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The *ONLY* After Hours thread about the European Championships.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Portugese win over Spain. 2-2 fulltime, Portugal win on penalties.

    Germany win over Italy, sombre affair as the Germans quell a very ordinary Italian side. 2-0

    Portugal beat Germany in the final 2-1.

    It was all going so well until you got to the final :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    From here on in, I'm just going to delete the troll/petty insults, whatever you want to call them
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's because it's primarily a game and a competition provided for an audience. Audiences made up of citizens from each country who cheer almost exclusively for their countries.

    Not in every sport. Tennis for example - the doubles teams are not restricted to nationality.
    Sport doesn't exist to 'promote' rivalry and tribalism, what we know as sport, emerged from tribal rivalry. Man against man (or woman), parish against parish, county against county and country against country....all of them watched and supported by partisan crowds.

    Other way around: the tirbalism came from sport. The Olympics, for example, go back to Aincent Greece, where the individual was more important than where he came from. The aduiaence had favourites who were nto nessecailry from their home town or city. Nowadays, you march under a national banner, but, especially in individual games, your background is irrelvant.

    And, going back to the original point I made, it foes not explain why we cheer rabidly against a country that is indifferent to us at wrost and cheers for us at best.
    I have been honest about my partisanship and why I am that way. You are being less than honest in deconstructing what sport actually is.

    Hang on, you were the one who brought up the issue as to why sport existed, not me!
    Nobody claimed that, including your good self, until now. Remember, you where the one who came on thread intimating that it had to do with 800 years of oppression. :rolleyes:

    I made both points in separate parts of the discussion.

    This was a different point I made as to why some people routinely cheer against the English.

    Someone, I think it was you, put this down to tribal rivalry and said it was the whole reason d'etre of sport, which I disagreed with.

    The thing about the tribal angle, is that it explains why you cheer FOR someone, but not why you cheer AGAINST someone, when your favourite is not playing and has nothing to gain from the result.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    kfallon wrote: »
    It was all going so well until you got to the final :(

    Well, I might revise that after I see Germany actually tested, they haven't been asked to come out of first gear yet imo. Hard to judge just how good they are. But I think Ronaldo on a good day (and he is warming to his job) could unlock them on their current form. Caveat: they may have another couple of gears though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »


    Other way around: the tirbalism came from sport. The Olympics, for example, go back to Aincent Greece, where the individual was more important than where he came from.


    Nonsense, like your whole argument.
    The Olympics where about the city states - represented by individuals - competing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Nonsense, like your whole argument.
    The Olympics where about the city states - represented by individuals - competing.

    The Olympics was about the indivual, and not the city or team. The cities then started using the games as poloitcal tools and for propoganda purposes (little chnages :D). There were no "medal tables" back then.

    There were vey few team games, as well. Also, the whole point of the games was sporting rivialry - between individuals - and as a baromoeter of atheltic prowess. They were not started by cities trying to compete with one another. They had war for that.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Ikky Poo2 wrote: »
    The Olympics was about the indivual, and not the city or team. The cities then started using the games as poloitcal tools and for propoganda purposes (little chnages :D). There were no "medal tables" back then.

    There were vey few team games, as well. Also, the whole point of the games was sporting rivialry - between individuals - and as a baromoeter of atheltic prowess. They were not started by cities trying to compete with one another. They had war for that.

    Bull constructed to suit your bull**** argument I'm afraid.

    The Olympic Games (Ancient Greek: τὰ Ὀλύμπια – ta Olympia; Modern Greek: Ὀλυμπιακοὶ Ἀγῶνες (Katharevousa), Ολυμπιακοί Αγώνες (Dimotiki) – Olympiakoi Agones) were a series of athletic competitions held for representatives of various city-states of Ancient Greece held in honor of Zeus. The exact origins of the Games are shrouded in myth and legend but records indicate that they began in 776 BC in Olympia in Greece. They were celebrated until 394 AD when they were suppressed by Theodosius I as part of the campaign to impose Christianity as a state religion.



    Regardless of who is rightor wrong about the origin of sport, your hypothesis just isn't sustained by the reality of what happens when people watch international team sports. End of, you lost, dry your eyes and try again, it wouldn't be the same without you. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bwatson


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yes, they've toned down the arrogance...on the BBC. But I listen to and read a wide range of stuff coming out of England. And the same old arrogance and sense of entitlement is there. Had they won tonight the BBC wouldn't have been able to resist.

    Did you hear the 'beaten by a West Ham reject' comment by the BBC commentator? :D:D Brilliant! At times he and Mark Lawenson sounded like a sketch from Apres Match.

    Why were you watching the English national broadcaster over the Irish national broadcaster? As an Irish nationalist surely you should be supporting your own national institutions?

    By the way, I think the English commentators and analysts were incredibly humble and observant of the fact that England were simply not as good as Italy before, during and after last night's match. As a result of your strange and seemingly unsubstanciated sense of rivalry, you are simply hearing what you want to hear. Moreover, who are you to say that the English media should not be hopeful when it comes to their own national team? Every other nation enters tournaments with an optimistic outlook, with the belief that luck might just go their way, with the hope that they could surprise a few people. Why do you get so angry when it is the English who do it? You keep trying to lecture people on what sport is and isnt, yet you seem to conveniently forget this aspect.

    Furthermore, you should look closer to home when it comes to arrogance and delusion. Look on the RTE sports player, look for pre tournament interviews from Dunphy saying that Ireland would get something from the Croatia game, and would progress if they set up right against the Italians. I assume you expect me to go "HA, DELUSIONAL", and rub it in his smug face. But no, I have no problem with people talking up their own nation's chances. Dreams are what football is about. It also has something to do with the fact that I understand RTE is not there to cater for me, a British citizen. Some Irish viewers of the BBC (no problem there, a far superior broadcaster) expect them to act as if they are catering primarily to a world and not British audience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭bwatson


    peasant wrote: »
    ...even better ...we don't have to listen to all this 1966 shoyte warmed up all over again :D


    :D:D:D Pot calling the kettle black or what???

    The English media talk up the fact that they have done what only 8 nations have ever done, and win the most prestigious tournament in world sport? How dare they be proud of that fact?

    No, they should definately be more like the Irish fans who never bring up the fact they beat a rival (who doesnt realize they are a rival) in 1988 in a solitary group game and still totally failed to even proceed from the group stages... OH WAIT.

    :D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    bwatson wrote: »
    Why were you watching the English national broadcaster over the Irish national broadcaster? As an Irish nationalist surely you should be supporting your own national institutions?

    Because I enjoy the sound of words being eaten.
    By the way, I think the English commentators and analysts were incredibly humble and observant of the fact that England were simply not as good as Italy before, during and after last night's match. As a result of your strange and seemingly unsubstanciated sense of rivalry, you are simply hearing what you want to hear. Moreover, who are you to say that the English media should not be hopeful when it comes to their own national team?

    I wouldn't be in favour of proscribing it or censoring it for one second. As I have been at pains to say, it's too enjoyable.
    You must have been listening to a different programme to me. First the 'FATE' and 'DESTINY' insets. The 'hope' from the pundits which was based on (as it invariably always is) a delusional assessment of their progress through the groups.
    Their assessment at half-time 'that England where playing well' and their forecasts; a win for England, was also delusional.
    Yes, their assessment at the end (undeniable, in the face of the overwhelming evidence) that Italy were the better team was enjoyable, as per my answer to the first part of your post. ^
    Furthermore, you should look closer to home when it comes to arrogance and delusion. Look on the RTE sports player, look for pre tournament interviews from Dunphy saying that Ireland would get something from the Croatia game, and would progress if they set up right against the Italians. I assume you expect me to go "HA, DELUSIONAL", and rub it in his smug face. But no, I have no problem with people talking up their own nation's chances.
    Nowhere near the same level of hope based on delusion. Of all pundits Dunphy is and always has been very honest about what was possible with the Irish squad. In fact, you don't have to look very hard on here to see complaints about his negativity.

    Dreams are what football is about. It also has something to do with the fact that I understand RTE is not there to cater for me, a British citizen. Some Irish viewers of the BBC (no problem there, a far superior broadcaster) expect them to act as if they are catering primarily to a world and not British audience.

    Yes, it is about dreams, and it also not that important, it is only a game after all. Nobody dies. Enjoy it in whatever way you can, and for god's sake don't be a crybaby about it.....I enjoy it too much! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    Guardian have done some stats England have fourth worst penalty winning record in the world.

    England
    14% winning rate
    81% opponent scoring rate
    61% England scoring rate


    Ireland
    50% winning rate
    70% opponent scoring rate
    70% ireland scoring rate


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jun/25/euro2012-uefa?newsfeed=true


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    I'll reopen this tomorrow so certain people can read the opening post a few times and understand what the thread is meant to be about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Goallllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I miss the footy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    well, back to 1916. As I was saying....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    Goallllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I miss the footy.

    I have wimbledon to keep me going.

    Although it does blow that theres no football for a couple of days, even worse that its my first couple of days off.

    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    One more sleep til the semi.....but that's enough about me morning pisshorn :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    I would love to see Portugal go ahead early in that game, Spain are going to have all the ball anyway more than likely at least that would give them a little more urgency. Don't think I've ever seen them play each other, is it a big rivalry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    I'm supporting Spain now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    mackg wrote: »
    I would love to see Portugal go ahead early in that game, Spain are going to have all the ball anyway more than likely at least that would give them a little more urgency. Don't think I've ever seen them play each other, is it a big rivalry?

    They played in the World Cup two years ago, Spain won 1-0
    They played in the Euro's in Portugal in 2004, Portugal won 1-0

    I think I am correct in saying that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    mackg wrote: »
    I would love to see Portugal go ahead early in that game, Spain are going to have all the ball anyway more than likely at least that would give them a little more urgency. Don't think I've ever seen them play each other, is it a big rivalry?

    I was on hols in Portugal the night this happened. Boy oh boy did they party, ended at 6 0r 7am the following morning with the police arriving at our apartment to arrest two boisterous members of staff.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2004/3787483.stm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    So... what about them Olympics then...?

    *runs*

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    kfallon wrote: »
    They played in the World Cup two years ago, Spain won 1-0
    They played in the Euro's in Portugal in 2004, Portugal won 1-0

    I think I am correct in saying that!

    I won a few a nice bit off Spain in that world cup and was pretty sure I saw all their games but for the life of me I cannot remember a thing about that game, even after looking up about it on wiki :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    mackg wrote: »
    I won a few a nice bit off Spain in that world cup and was pretty sure I saw all their games but for the life of me I cannot remember a thing about that game, even after looking up about it on wiki :confused:

    Villa scored, I had him backed to get the first goal! Portugal were awful!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    well, back to 1916. As I was saying....



    :D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    hondasam wrote: »
    I'm supporting Spain now.



    Aaaaa why :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    realies wrote: »
    Aaaaa why :(

    I did from the start tbh, who are you supporting now?

    I had a little bet on England and Spain, nothing much just for the fun and to keep it interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    hondasam wrote: »
    I did from the start tbh, who are you supporting now?

    I had a little bet on England and Spain, nothing much just for the fun and to keep it interesting.


    From the start I have had holland,England,portugal :) So Portugal it stays for me :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    realies wrote: »
    From the start I have had holland,England,portugal :) So Portugal it stays for me :)

    should be a good game. will it be Germany in the final?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    kfallon wrote: »
    Villa scored, I had him backed to get the first goal! Portugal were awful!

    Watched the goal there, jaysus he was standing there unmarked for the best part of twenty seconds!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    hondasam wrote: »
    should be a good game. will it be Germany in the final?


    Dont really know tbh :) We shall all have to wait and see :) Obrigado ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    And, we're back.


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