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Was Michelle de Bruin our greatest Olympian? Eamonn Coughlan says yes

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  • #272
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Motorist wrote: »
    ... and Herr Goebbels send out a communication from from the bunker in a futile attempt at rewriting history.
    and the Godwins mount up and originality and intellect decline.

    "It's a shame Brian, and all through lack of any credible evidence in support of their obscene wish to denigrate Michelle's Olympic achievements in 1996 and in the face of overwhelming first-hand evidence to the contrary.

    Quahog will be nice after this, the clean Atlantic breezes clearing away the stench of prejudice and bitterness."


  • #273
    Motorist
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    mathepac wrote: »
    and the Godwins mount up and originality and intellect decline.

    "It's a shame Brian, and all through lack of any credible evidence in support of their obscene wish to denigrate Michelle's Olympic achievements in 1996 and in the face of overwhelming first-hand evidence to the contrary.

    Quahog will be nice after this, the clean Atlantic breezes clearing away the stench of prejudice and bitterness."

    Denial - then anger - depression - acceptance. It's really quite sad to see someone hopelessly stuck at the first stage in spite of pages of incontrovertible evidence, desperately trying to console their subconscious in pathetic Walter Mitty-type monologues.


  • #274
    Indo404
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭Indo404


    Motorist wrote: »
    What this thread, as every other thread on any forum, in addition to any newspaper article, encyclopedia entry, etc signifies is that the overwhelming majority of right-thinking, rational and sane people know that Michelle Smyth was a cheat and a fraud who was an embarrassment to her country. She is best not talked about except for when her loyal generals, the odd balls and Herr Goebbels send out a communication from the bunker in a futile attempt at rewriting history.


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2005/0625/ireland/nano-nagle-voted-irelands-greatest-woman-348756146.html

    And her 1996 wins were voted the best Olympic memories by the listeners of the Pat Kenny radio show.

    http://www.rte.ie/tv/celebritiesgowild/latest.html


  • #275
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    Thanks for the links. Just the one ooops moment for the Cork Examiner -

    "5. Grace O'Malley: Sixth century pirate queen."

    Sure what's a thousand years here or there between friends? :)


  • #276
    CDfm
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    As someone said , in 30 or 40 years time when she is bouncing her grandchildren on her knee she will show them her gold medal's and that's what counts.

    Michelle is the real deal.

    Why give Jedward the torch. Dumb.


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  • #277
    dchris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭dchris


    I heard she was banned for fear that should would dissolve in the pool upon re-entry.


  • #278
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    CDfm wrote: »
    As someone said , in 30 or 40 years time when she is bouncing her grandchildren on her knee she will show them her gold medal's and that's what counts.

    Michelle is the real deal.

    Why give Jedward the torch. Dumb.

    The medals are only real if the winner knows in their heart of hearts that they earned them. Michelle doesn't have that.


  • #279
    CDfm
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    The medals are only real if the winner knows in their heart of hearts that they earned them. Michelle doesn't have that.

    If you bite into the medals they are real. real that is the test.

    And she was not stripped of her medal's .


  • #280
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,667 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    So if people here are saying that Micheel Smith 3 Gold Medals and 1 Bronze dont count, do you consider Sonia O Sullivan to be Olympic champion from 2000?

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #281
    Wibbs
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    And better testing would lead to slower times for the likes of Evans because...

    And Michelle de Bruin is the one villified? She was just playing catch-up.
    Indeed. With every year comes more and more evidence from dopers and suppliers of said dopers that there are very few sports at the top level where "enhancements" aren't in play and the dopers "designer" drugs and masking agents are one step ahead of the testers. Singling out De Bruin IMHO is kinda missing the point. I'd be genuinely shocked if the line up at the finals were all clean.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #282
    Gummy Panda
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    CDfm wrote: »
    As someone said , in 30 or 40 years time when she is bouncing her grandchildren on her knee she will show them her gold medal's and that's what counts.

    Michelle is the real deal.

    Why give Jedward the torch. Dumb.

    The medals are only real if the winner knows in their heart of hearts that they earned them. Michelle doesn't have that.

    Most athletes who use PEDs are doing it because they believe all the competition is as well.


  • #283
    WhatNowForUs?
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Motorist wrote: »
    She is best not talked about except for when her loyal generals, the odd balls and Herr Goebbels send out a communication from from the bunker in a futile attempt at rewriting history.

    I find this personally insulting and quite a bit creepy.

    According to the OCI, Michelle de Bruin is in good standing with the organisation, so her olympic results stand, despite clamouring to have her ban backdated.

    She passed tests at the Atlanta Games, so that is the end of that. What happened in 1997 or 1998 has no relevance to what happened in '96.
    What happened up to 96 has relevance including out of compitition in 96.


  • #284
    BQQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭BQQ


    In my opinion, It's highly likely she was doping, but there's no evidence of that.
    The same comments apply to everyone else in those races, so she still deserves her medals either way.


  • #285
    M cebee
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    So if people here are saying that Micheel Smith 3 Gold Medals and 1 Bronze dont count, do you consider Sonia O Sullivan to be Olympic champion from 2000?

    dunno about 2000- there was an enquiry about drugs in a car

    1993 she got beat by 3 dodgy chinese

    and prob more besides


  • #286
    CDfm
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    Pherekydes wrote: »

    And Michelle de Bruin is the one villified? .

    And not only that she has started a new legal career under her own steam so there is more substance to her than she is given credit for.


  • #287
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Exactly I want the athletes to take drugs, I mean, do you want to see someone shave a hundreth of a second off the hundred metres record, or do you want to see them run it in 3 seconds? I don't want to see Dwaine Chambers running on steroids, I want to see him running with the legs of a kangaroo and the heart of a leopard. I want to see him run so fast that half way through the race, he dissapears, like the car from Back To The Future, reappears at the finish line as an old man, shouts 'Beware China', and crumbles into dust.

    yes . Highjumping over the Olympic flame . Every round the flames get higher


  • #288
    gara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭gara


    Since when does anyone care what Eamonn Coughlan thinks anyway?


  • #289
    Pherekydes
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    gara wrote: »
    Since when does anyone care what Eamonn Coughlan thinks anyway?

    Who is Eamonn Coughlan anyway?


  • #290
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    But thats hardly the point.

    Michelle de Bruin is Irish and has her medals legally.

    Other countries would not treat her this way.


  • #291
    gara
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭gara


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Who is Eamonn Coughlan anyway?

    That's the spirit! :D


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  • #292
    Pantsface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 449 ✭✭Pantsface


    CDfm wrote: »
    But thats hardly the point.

    Michelle de Bruin is Irish and has her medals legally.

    Other countries would not treat her this way.

    What way would you like for her to be treated?


  • #293
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    CDfm wrote: »
    But thats hardly the point.

    Michelle de Bruin is Irish and has her medals legally.

    Other countries would not treat her this way.

    Possibly not. The likes of Chambers and Johnson aren't admired by anyone but maybe don't attract as much negativity as Smith.


  • #294
    Pantsface
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    sock puppet wrote: »
    Possibly not. The likes of Chambers and Johnson aren't admired by anyone but maybe don't attract as much negativity as Smith.

    Why would they? They didn't represent Ireland?


  • #295
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Pantsface wrote: »
    What way would you like for her to be treated?

    With respect, she has never tested positive and is our most successful Olympian ever.


    It is an amateur sport and it's almost like they are waging a feud against the woman.


  • #296
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Pantsface wrote: »
    Why would they? They didn't represent Ireland?

    Maybe, just maybe, I wasn't talking about in Ireland?


  • #297
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    sock puppet wrote: »
    Maybe, just maybe, I wasn't talking about in Ireland?

    Anyway, I think Michelle is great and she put Rathcoole on the map too. And the Poitin Still & Jameson Whiskey.

    The Irish Olympic Commitee/ Athletics Ireland has a great record doesn't it. Remember how an official got Sonia O'Sullivan to strip naked and change kit just before a race.

    And, they are supposed to represent us as a country.Oh Lordy


  • #298
    Pantsface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 449 ✭✭Pantsface


    sock puppet wrote: »
    Maybe, just maybe, I wasn't talking about in Ireland?

    Where then?


  • #299
    Pantsface
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 449 ✭✭Pantsface


    CDfm wrote: »
    Anyway, I think Michelle is great and she put Rathcoole on the map too. And the Poitin Still & Jameson Whiskey.

    The Irish Olympic Commitee/ Athletics Ireland has a great record doesn't it. Remember how an official got Sonia O'Sullivan to strip naked and change kit just before a race.

    And, they are supposed to represent us as a country.Oh Lordy

    Her husband was done for the drugs, I think it was 91 / 92? She met him at the Barcelona Olypmics back in 1992 I remember being told


  • #300
    GetWithIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    AngeGal wrote: »
    She must hugely regret not retiring due to injury or whatever in 1997. I imagine most people (probably myself included sadly) would still be gullible enough to believe that she worked hard enough to improve so much. She would still be a national hero trotted out every time the olympics/world championships, making a substantial amount of oney aswell.

    I remember how all we all thought Janet Evans (gold medal winner in 1988 and 1992) who was openly sceptical about Smith's 'improvement' was just a sore loser...how innocent we were!
    Guess who's making a comeback for the Olympics.


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  • #301
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    did she take drugs tests in 95 and 96?

    surely she was tested during the olympics, so if nothing was found then, how on earth would she be guilty of cheating?


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