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  • #3902
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    bee_keeper wrote: »
    the soldiers dont pick the fights , they just fight them , if you oppose war , set your sights on the politicans

    Oh don't worry, I have my sights on those too :L


  • #3903
    bee_keeper
    Site Banned Posts: 222 ✭✭bee_keeper


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Oh don't worry, I have my sights on those too :L

    war will always be with us


  • #3904
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    whendovescry wrote: »
    Very easy to say now mate, but Ireland were at the mercy of world powers such as Britain and America up until very recently, and whether or not they fought for your civil liberties directly, their actions and the outcome of ww2 affect the life you lead today.

    I'm not concerned with what they've done in the past. The ongoing war in the middle east is unjust in my opinion. The soldiers are not mindless drones, they can decide for themselves whether they wanna fight in an unjust war and those who decide to stay I have no sympathy for if the worst happens.


  • #3905
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Women who see teen pregnancy as an achievement! So many young girls talk about how much they have to offer an employer cos they raised a child at 16. Surely thats the biggest mistake and not something to be proud of!


  • #3906
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    bee_keeper wrote: »
    war will always be with us

    I know that and it's fine. Some war is necessary. I just don't agree with the one happening now.


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  • #3907
    whendovescry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭whendovescry


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I'm not concerned with what they've done in the past. The ongoing war in the middle east is unjust in my opinion. The soldiers are not mindless drones, they can decide for themselves whether they wanna fight in an unjust war and those who decide to stay I have no sympathy for if the worst happens.

    What is unjust about it?


  • #3908
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Unpopular opinion: Soldiers deserve no special treatment or praise for "defending the country." They chose to go to war and anything that happens them there is their fault.

    Surprised that that's so unpopular. I think many soldiers would otherwise be in prison. I hate all this Heros bull**** on English tv.


  • #3909
    bee_keeper
    Site Banned Posts: 222 ✭✭bee_keeper


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I'm not concerned with what they've done in the past. The ongoing war in the middle east is unjust in my opinion. The soldiers are not mindless drones, they can decide for themselves whether they wanna fight in an unjust war and those who decide to stay I have no sympathy for if the worst happens.


    i dont think their asking for sympathy but regardless of what war is in question , i have great respect for soldiers , courage is the most important virtue of all IMO


  • #3910
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Surprised that that's so unpopular. I think many soldiers would otherwise be in prison. I hate all this Heros bull**** on English tv.

    Thank you!


  • #3911
    Motorist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Surprised that that's so unpopular. I think many soldiers would otherwise be in prison. I hate all this Heros bull**** on English tv.

    :rolleyes:


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  • #3912
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    whendovescry wrote: »
    What is unjust about it?


    http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/ethicalperspectives/unjust.html

    In relation to the just war doctrine of Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas, it is unjust. In order for a war to be just, the force exerted must be less than or equal to the forces exerted by the evil they are trying to defeat.


  • #3913
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Motorist wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    They fit that violent profile. Also many joined the army to stay off the dole.

    Both would put them into the same profile that would turn to criminality.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking about every soldier from every army but that's the impression I get.


  • #3914
    bee_keeper
    Site Banned Posts: 222 ✭✭bee_keeper


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    They fit that violent profile. Also many joined the army to stay off the dole.

    Both would put them into the same profile that would turn to criminality.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking about every soldier from every army but that's the impression I get.

    no offense but its a pretty narrow minded one


  • #3915
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    bee_keeper wrote: »
    no offense but its a pretty narrow minded one

    I don't see how. I don't see how all soldiers can be lauded as "heroes", obviously there will be good ones and bad ones.


  • #3916
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I'm not concerned with what they've done in the past. The ongoing war in the middle east is unjust in my opinion. ......


    What "ongoing war" are you referring to?


  • #3917
    Motorist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    They fit that violent profile. Also many joined the army to stay off the dole.

    Both would put them into the same profile that would turn to criminality.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking about every soldier from every army but that's the impression I get.

    The military has doctors, lawyers, mechanics, nurses, secretaries, engineers, scientists, teachers, firefighters, bus drivers, financial experts, etc, etc. Some join to see the world, some join for a structured environment, some join for military training in rare and valuable fields, some feel a call to serve their country. Most hope they never see combat. I dont see where you get this "fitting a violent profile from".


  • #3918
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Motorist wrote: »
    The military has doctors, lawyers, mechanics, nurses, secretaries, engineers, scientists, teachers, firefighters, bus drivers, financial experts, etc, etc. Some join to see the world, some join for a structured environment, some join for military training in rare and valuable fields, some feel a call to serve their country. Most hope they never see combat. I dont see where you get this "fitting a violent profile from".

    Indeed. Like I said many join for different reasons. The other side you left out are those who joined because they want to use a gun and those who are in it for the money and would otherwise have gone against the law for money.


  • #3919
    bee_keeper
    Site Banned Posts: 222 ✭✭bee_keeper


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Indeed. Like I said many join for different reasons. The other side you left out are those who joined because they want to use a gun and those who are in it for the money and would otherwise have gone against the law for money.

    quite a few assumptions there

    money is a motive for a high percentage of people when chosing a career


  • #3920
    WatchWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭WatchWolf


    LambChop... wrote: »
    Atheism is a religion

    If Atheism is a religion then not playing football is a sport.


  • #3921
    whendovescry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭whendovescry


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/ethicalperspectives/unjust.html

    In relation to the just war doctrine of Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas, it is unjust. In order for a war to be just, the force exerted must be less than or equal to the forces exerted by the evil they are trying to defeat.

    I have great respect for Thomas Aquinas, but I don't think he could have seen the rise in islamo-fascism that pervades political and social discourse today. It's all well and good justifying reasons for a war using some arbitrary criteria such as an eye for an eye, however I think that the rise of islam is one off the most important things in the world to fight against. Countries in the middle east are ruled by absolutest monarchies with the koran acting as their sole source of law . Islam is the most violent, repressive, gynophobic, homophobic and anti-semetic movement in the world.The free world has to mobilize if we are to stop it, as islam has in excess of 1 billion supporters. If it weren't for the Americans the middle-east would be living in the bronze ages. Whatever you think about the motives of the soldiers fighting in it, they are doing damn important work, and I shudder at the thought of those sorts of countries having a free reign.


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  • #3922
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    whendovescry wrote: »
    I have great respect for Thomas Aquinas, but I don't think he could have seen the rise in islamo-fascism that pervades political and social discourse today. It's all well and good justifying reasons for a war using some arbitrary criteria such as an eye for an eye, however I think that the rise of islam is one off the most important things in the world to fight against. Countries in the middle east are ruled by absolutest monarchies with the koran acting as their sole source of law . Islam is the most violent, repressive, gynophobic, homophobic and anti-semetic movement in the world.The free world has to mobilize if we are to stop it, as islam has in excess of 1 billion supporters. If it weren't for the Americans the middle-east would be living in the bronze ages. Whatever you think about the motives of the soldiers fighting in it, they are doing damn important work, and I shudder at the thought of those sorts of countries having a free reign.

    No, Islam itself is not all those things. I know a good few Muslims that are really nice people and don't know any that are violent, repressive, gynophobic, homophobic or anti-semetic. Certain groups take it too far but they are a minority. It's the same with Christianity, there are fanatics and extremists but you don't see the countries in the middle east poking their nose in where it does not belong trying to stop it like the way Americans are. I don't see what america has to do with the fact that there are 1 Billion Muslims in the world? What's so terrible about Islam? After-all it is the oldest religion in the world, for all we know, we could be wrong. I see absolutely no reason why Islam should be stopped.


  • #3923
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    whendovescry wrote: »
    I have great respect for Thomas Aquinas, but I don't think he could have seen the rise in islamo-fascism that pervades political and social discourse today. It's all well and good justifying reasons for a war using some arbitrary criteria such as an eye for an eye, however I think that the rise of islam is one off the most important things in the world to fight against. Countries in the middle east are ruled by absolutest monarchies with the koran acting as their sole source of law . Islam is the most violent, repressive, gynophobic, homophobic and anti-semetic movement in the world.The free world has to mobilize if we are to stop it, as islam has in excess of 1 billion supporters. If it weren't for the Americans the middle-east would be living in the bronze ages. Whatever you think about the motives of the soldiers fighting in it, they are doing damn important work, and I shudder at the thought of those sorts of countries having a free reign.

    You realise that not a few of those "absolutest monarchies" are US allies?


  • #3924
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,349 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    After-all it is the oldest religion in the world,
    While I largely agree with the rest of your post NC, point of order historically; no it's not. It's about the youngest of world faiths. It's about 8 centuries later than Christianity, 1500 odd years later than Judaism(and borrowed heavily from those faiths. The earliest external comments on the faith see it as a Christian heresy), many thousands of year later than Buddhism and Hinduism. Prize for oldest faith? That would go to Shamanism/Animism which goes back at least 40,000 years and likely 100,000 years.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #3925
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Wibbs wrote: »
    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    After-all it is the oldest religion in the world,
    While I largely agree with the rest of your post NC, point of order historically; no it's not. It's about the youngest of world faiths. It's about 8 centuries later than Christianity, 1500 odd years later than Judaism(and borrowed heavily from those faiths. The earliest external comments on the faith see it as a Christian heresy), many thousands of year later than Buddhism and Hinduism. Prize for oldest faith? That would go to Shamanism/Animism which goes back at least 40,000 years and likely 100,000 years.

    Junior Cert religion has failed me :rolleyes: think ti mixed it up with Hinduism as the oldest popular religion?


  • #3926
    mickrock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭mickrock


    bee_keeper wrote: »
    i view soliders as admirable brave people

    I've always regretted not becoming a soldier.

    I just love killing people!


  • #3927
    mickrock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭mickrock


    paddyandy wrote: »
    Ireland has so badly lost her way this last few decades that she no longer knows how lost she is but thinks she's grand as long as she can pay her bills .

    She was good in Death Wish II.


  • #3928
    FishBowel
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 363 ✭✭FishBowel


    And Rider on the rain.


  • #3929
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What are you like without meds? Ive only ever met one person who actually it and it was very noticable.

    Well I'm not on meds now because I'm pregnant.
    And yeah, I guess it is fairly noticable, but I doubt most people would cop it, they tend to just think I'm flighty, rude, weird etc...!
    I know 2 guys with it that are my age, and it's more obvious in them - but it does present slightly differently with guys and girls, and it is generally thought of as something only boys have.


  • #3930
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    Never in the history of civilization has maleness been seen by the majority as a weakness or as less worthy than being female.

    We have it easy overall, and always have. Just because society is a little more equal overall and men are negatively discriminated against in a small number of situations, doesn't mean that men are treated like second-class citizens overall.

    This may or may not be an unpopular opinion, but I believe that many men who complain ad nauseum about discrimination against men are projecting their own insecurities about themselves.

    Hmm, I think you are very wrong here, in the area of family law, would a woman be 'projecting their own insecurities about themselves' if they were being denied access to their child, really now?

    What about if their child was moved out of the country permanently and there is a fair chance they'll never see their child again, is that projecting?

    If the whole area of rights to children was switched tomorrow from being in favor of the woman to being in favor of the man I'm pretty sure you'll get a lot of woman and their associated organisations and movements to complain about equality quite loudly, and the thing is the'd be right, but if men do it they're being 'insecure about themselves', maybe it's they feel insecure about seeing their children, maybe.


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  • #3931
    keano_afc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    I believe in God. Going by the recent thread activity in AH, that's a very unpopular opinion.


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