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poker a scam???

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  • 23-07-2011 4:15pm
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    0O7
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    This may be me being paranoid but :

    Does anybody think internet poker such as pad power is rigged? Any time you withdraw a certain amount of money (say €100) you cant win again for a while...

    Iv seen it a couple of times, 2 people are all in, theres one card left to turn and it will ALWAYS work in one of the players favors(usually the player that didnt witdraw recently) , it will never be a neutral card. therefore i do not believe it is random...

    ???? i dunno.


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    Dice75
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    If you get to the river & two players are all-in then the last card HAS to affect the result one way or the other.

    How do you know the other player hasnt made a withdrawal too?

    Do you work for the banks?

    Its all their fault dont ya know.......


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    Jul3s
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    0O7 wrote: »
    This may be me being paranoid but :

    Does anybody think internet poker such as pad power is rigged? Any time you withdraw a certain amount of money (say €100) you cant win again for a while...

    Iv seen it a couple of times, 2 people are all in, theres one card left to turn and it will ALWAYS work in one of the players favors(usually the player that didnt witdraw recently) , it will never be a neutral card. therefore i do not believe it is random...

    ???? i dunno.
    Yes it's a scam and yes you're parnoid and yes you suck at poker.


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    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Dice75 wrote: »
    the last card HAS to affect the result one way or the other.


    Do you work for the banks?

    Its all their fault dont ya know.......


    1.Emmm, i never said it said it wont affect the result, i meant it will nearly always be the card the other person / you're waiting on....


    2. What online poker sites are run by a bank??? paddypower? ladbrokes??



    and Jul3es --- you suck at golf, & probably life in general if you took the time to make a reply like that.


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    Mance Rayder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Mance Rayder


    0O7 wrote: »
    This may be me being paranoid but :

    Does anybody think internet poker such as pad power is rigged? Any time you withdraw a certain amount of money (say €100) you cant win again for a while...

    Iv seen it a couple of times, 2 people are all in, theres one card left to turn and it will ALWAYS work in one of the players favors(usually the player that didnt witdraw recently) , it will never be a neutral card. therefore i do not believe it is random...

    ???? i dunno.

    It's possible that somewhere buried in the code for these games the odds are leaning slightly in favour of the house. It's quite easy to program the odds in their favour, and if no independent body is checking the code then no one is the wiser.


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    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    CiscoStudent wrote: »
    It's possible that somewhere buried in the code for these games the odds are leaning slightly in favour of the house. It's quite easy to program the odds in their favour, and if no independent body is checking the code then no one is the wiser.


    the broker gets a certain % of every pot, they would probably prefer if the pot was bigger...


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    Jul3s
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    0O7 wrote: »
    1.Emmm, i never said it said it wont affect the result, i meant it will nearly always be the card the other person / you're waiting on....


    2. What online poker sites are run by a bank??? paddypower? ladbrokes??



    and Jul3es --- you suck at golf, & probably life in general if you took the time to make a reply like that.
    In time when you grow up and get a brain you'll realise how retarded this thread is, untill then play nice and learn how to run better.


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    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    em one of the replies (which is 33% of people who people who have replied) has agreed ; by suggesting that it is possible that it can be coded to vary the odds.

    My post basically suggested that the online gaming might not be 100% random and will vary to suit the broker / gambling site. that there is probably a certain Win : Lose ratio which is not 50:50. but very close to it. i.e 48:52
    I cannot find infomation that there is any regulatory body which controls this (obviously there must be) ???


    I suppose next you will think all other online casino games are completely random?? its not my fault your too naive. / stupid. Im after stating my point and reasons for believing this.
    Yet your saying this is retarded, but cannot even say why you think this???


    and id say your a fairly predictable person, im waiting form you to reply with another stupid answer????
    save yourself the time and dont unless you have something serious to say.


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    GoldRush4821
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭GoldRush4821


    In short, no. Online poker is not a scam. It may seem like the deck is fixed at times, but that's just because of the amount of hands you play in a given session vs live play. These are seen just as often in live poker, it's the nature of the game. If you play online and have come to ask this question, maybe you'd be better off sticking to live play?


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    ArmaniJeanss
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    0O7 wrote: »
    2 people are all in, theres one card left to turn and it will ALWAYS work in one of the players favors(usually the player that didnt witdraw recently) , it will never be a neutral card. therefore i do not believe it is random...

    ???? i dunno.

    In fairness if you have never ever seen a blank river card when two players are all then you can't have played many hands.

    More likely is that your memory is skewed towards those instances where the river was against you. Your mind quickly moves on and forgets those instances where the board blanked or favoured you. Because these are just 'natural justice' instances in your mind.

    Like you get it in 5 times in a tournament with AA v 77. The first 4 times you win, double up, move on, hand quickly forgetten about. The 5th time the oppo rivers a 7 and you are eliminated. All you take from that tournament is that online is rigged against you even though getting beat once in five there is a natural occurence.


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    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness if you have never ever seen a blank river card when two players are all then you can't have played many hands.

    More likely is that your memory is skewed towards those instances where the river was against you. Your mind quickly moves on and forgets those instances where the board blanked or favoured you. Because these are just 'natural justice' instances in your mind.

    Like you get it in 5 times in a tournament with AA v 77. The first 4 times you win, double up, move on, hand quickly forgetten about. The 5th time the oppo rivers a 7 and you are eliminated. All you take from that tournament is that online is rigged against you even though getting beat once in five there is a natural occurence.


    good point, iv been looking on other sites and this seems to be a populer arguement,

    the main reason given by people who think it is "fixed" is that there are too many bad beats etc


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    Jul3s
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    0O7 wrote: »
    em one of the replies (which is 33% of people who people who have replied) has agreed ; by suggesting that it is possible that it can be coded to vary the odds.

    My post basically suggested that the online gaming might not be 100% random and will vary to suit the broker / gambling site. that there is probably a certain Win : Lose ratio which is not 50:50. but very close to it. i.e 48:52
    I cannot find infomation that there is any regulatory body which controls this (obviously there must be) ???


    I suppose next you will think all other online casino games are completely random?? its not my fault your too naive. / stupid. Im after stating my point and reasons for believing this.
    Yet your saying this is retarded, but cannot even say why you think this???


    and id say your a fairly predictable person, im waiting form you to reply with another stupid answer????
    save yourself the time and dont unless you have something serious to say.
    Wow this just gets better and better.
    All this time the poker sites have been scamming us and ripping us off and we've been blindly giving our money away, but fear not people because 0O7 is here to save the day.
    Thank God for people such as yourself to remind us all how lucky we are.

    You can't compare Poker to casino games because they're fundamentally different in that poker is person versus person and in casino games you are playing against the house.

    Google RNG and maybe, just maybe you may begin to understand why poker isn't a scam and that you're just sh1t at it.


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    2moreMinutes
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    OP, I agree 100% with you that online poker is rigged.
    I have however discovered one particular game that isnt - the $7 hyper-turbo SNGs on Poker Stars. Come play those instead. Please PM me before you start playing though so we can enjoy the fairness together.:)


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    Frank1969
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    Online poker isn't rigged. Over the long run, the best players win. Bad players always make excuses.


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    sponge_bob
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    Frank1969 wrote: »
    Online poker isn't rigged. Over the long run, the best players win. Bad players always make excuses.


    :eek:
    of course its rigged,
    just cos some book or forum said that "the best players allways win over the long term".
    how do you know that the book or forum wasn't rigged?:eek:


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    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,043 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    This forum is an pretty convincing argument for euthanasia.


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    Oranage2
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    Have to agree - It always seems the bigger stack player comes out trumps on all ins.

    I have played on 4 different sites and I found it to be the case on all of them.


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    martin kelly.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭martin kelly.


    If there isnt a river there would be no fish.


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    Formation
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Formation


    Google ultimate bet russ hamilton.

    full tilt didn't bother to fix the game they just took the money.

    if you round up some people who will help us blow the lid off this story we can investigate and my friend who works in the daily mail will happily publish our findings.


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    tippking1978
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    no its not rigged, poker is like roulette, u either win or lose, like betting on black or red, ul win sometimes u lose sometimes, good players can make money by not letting cards get to river abd take down pots with any cards, ie bluffing, play tighter aggressive ul win more lose less


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    makesmeLOL
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9 ✭makesmeLOL


    Jul3s wrote: »
    All this time the poker sites have been scamming us and ripping us off...

    Well they've managed to scam you and your ilk out of a decent education.
    Mellor wrote: »
    This forum is an pretty convincing argument for euthanasia.

    Agreed. Every 'poker player' I've ever met is an [sic] pretty convincing argument for [in favour of] it.


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    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,043 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    makesmeLOL wrote: »
    Agreed. Every 'poker player' I've ever met is an [sic] pretty convincing argument for [in favour of] it.
    I was referring to the pointless forum. The joke obviously went over your head. It's ok though, you spotted an hilarious typo, well done.


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    rosser44
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭rosser44


    Mellor wrote: »
    This forum is an pretty convincing argument for euthanasia.

    Logged in just to thank this post. This place is so ironic - a poker forum whose posters dont understand poker. Its the most redundent forum on boards, the CT forum contains more coherent ramblings. Massive lolz at the "online poker is rigged" brigade.


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    abouttobebanned
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    Online poker probably isn't rigged, cause there is no need for it to be.

    However, why is it that when someone has a legitimate question about the behaviour of bookmakers, they are met with smart, sarcastic and often borderline abusive replies? What makes people such an expert on things they are really only guessing about and why did they become apologists for online bookies?

    I recently uncovered something that ladbrokes were doing in their shops that was scamming people for months. I posted about it on boards and I was met with a blast of abuse - people telling me I hadn't got a clue what I was talking about and generally making comments that suggested they had barely read the OP in the first place. They were so quick to defend ladbrokes - the main argument being why would such a big firm do something like that? Cause as a nation, we have always had blind faith in the big organisations that we're supposed to be able to trust.

    My theory about ladbrokes turned out to be 100% true by the way.

    People need to learn that online bookies do use unfair and cheeky methods to try and gain more of an upper hand over punters. They can usually get away with this by claiming that there was a "mistake" if they are ever caught. Don't think for a second that they are not 100% in control of their operation. Mistakes are rare.

    I wish, as a nation, we showed a little less blind faith. Last week, the loot announced that there was millions of euro in unclaimed prizes. They said this money had been spent in promoting future games etc. Hold on a second, you used other people's money to pay for your marketing budget?! Hmmm not a single question or dissenting voice was heard. When you do a quick pick why is there nearly always one number that reappears on multiple lines? I'm not sayin the lotto is a scam...just asking the question. I do believe that scratch cards are a scam though and often wonder why thy have never been investigated. Is it still state owned? That may answer that question.

    Anyway, I digress. My point is, unless you work for a company and see exactly, at first hand, how they operate, you have no right to sit in a high horse and laugh at people who question how its operated.


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    Formation
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    It is not blind faith, there are people out there with millions of online poker hands that have been analysed for anything dodgy.

    nothing was found bar a superuser at one site who could view hole cards so it had nothing to do with the randon number generator.

    people mistake variance for rigged poker and go off into the world and spread their ignorance without investigating it.


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    Formation
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    You weren't met with ignorance in the ladbroker thread. You had to be asked numerous times what proof you had.

    for every valid thread there are 1000+ threads that are not with proof or the op chose to leave out details that hinder their argument and usually it is pointed out that they did something wrong or are FOS. You have to present a waterproof case or yes, it will be assumed you are another bullsh1tter.


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    makesmeLOL
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9 ✭makesmeLOL


    Mellor wrote: »
    I was referring to the pointless forum. The joke obviously went over your head. It's ok though, you spotted an hilarious typo, well done.

    I was referring to the 'poker players' who populate it (and if you think this forum is any different to 'the other place', you are very much mistaken) - a sorrier bunch of wannabe savants I have yet to encounter.


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    Daithio12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭Daithio12


    makesmeLOL wrote: »
    Well they've managed to scam you and your ilk out of a decent education.



    Agreed. Every 'poker player' I've ever met is an [sic] pretty convincing argument for [in favour of] it.
    Obviously irony and sarcasm aren't your strong points.


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    southcentralts
    Registered Users Posts: 833 ✭✭✭southcentralts


    Why would a poker site rig a game, risking their entire enterprise, when they have no stake in the game, their money is made at the buy-in stage or in cash games during the rake but they make the same money no matter who wins.

    If you want to make an argument that the game is rigged you need to convince us that the site is somehow running 'bot' players or something.


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    unplayable
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭unplayable


    Frank1969 wrote: »
    Online poker isn't rigged. Over the long run, the best players win. Bad players always make excuses.

    this


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    Formation
    Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Formation


    I reckon yer man, ivey, who owned part of full tilt and made a huge amount of money on the site could see everyones cards. Something dodgy there!


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