This turf cutting row - will Europe ever know?

NIMAN · 22-06-2012 12:19AM #1

Watching the stand-off on the TV the other day, and heard someone official say that we, as a country, would get a €25,000 fine each day that turf is cut on these designated bogs.

Got me thinking, "how will Europe ever find out?"

I certainly won't tell them, will you?

And can't see officials from Europe standing around these bogs all over the country to see if anyone is cutting on them.

Northumbria · 22-06-2012 12:23AM

What's this? Has the EU protected the bogs or Ireland?

GoldFour4 · 22-06-2012 12:24AM

I was listening to it on the radio today. Someone put forward the argument that they deserve to cut the turf because it fuels their fires and keeps their family warm.

If this is their argument then I'm fully behind banning it. I don't have a bog in my back yard, I have to buy turf. I do live near a forest, but I can't go cut down a tree cause I want firewood.

I don't think its fair that the majority of people will have to pay a 25000 fine with taxes because someone wants to cut a few pieces of turf.

Cookie_Monster · 22-06-2012 12:25AM

They'll simply fine us until we prove it's not happening I'd imagine, something we'll never be able to do cos of all the cabbageheads who somehow think they're entitled

squod · 22-06-2012 12:25AM

NIMAN wrote: »

And can't see officials from Europe standing around these bogs all over the country to see if anyone is cutting on them.

They have satellites. They can see you touching yourself.

galwayrush · 22-06-2012 12:25AM

Northumbria wrote: »

What's this? Has the EU protected the bogs or Ireland?

Of course, they will evolve into massive oil reserves in a few hundred thousand years.

squod · 22-06-2012 12:27AM

malachyscott wrote: »

I was listening to it on the radio today. Someone put forward the argument that they deserve to cut the turf because it fuels their fires and keeps their family warm.

If this is their argument then I'm fully behind banning it. I don't have a bog in my back yard, I have to buy turf. I do live near a forest, but I can't go cut down a tree cause I want firewood.

I don't think its fair that the majority of people will have to pay a 25000 fine with taxes because someone wants to cut a few pieces of turf.

You can get in your car, drive to the bog, cut turf, then go home.

Where To · 22-06-2012 12:27AM

I have four years supply in my shed and another two in the hill.

In a couple of years they'll be gold dust and I'll be rich!

RICH!!! I tells ya!!

galwayrush · 22-06-2012 12:28AM

We can use them like a long term bond to eventually pay off our national debt.

spiritcrusher · 22-06-2012 12:29AM

malachyscott wrote: »

I don't have a bog in my back yard, I have to buy turf. I do live near a forest, but I can't go cut down a tree cause I want firewood.

You could if you owned owned the forest. And many people do in fact cut their own trees for firewood. Mad isn't it?
Anyway, these people own their bogs, either by buying it with their own money or inheriting it.

patwicklow · 22-06-2012 12:29AM

Next they will ban growing your own veg its the way its gone nothing surprises me anymore in this world its gone a sad sad world control control control..

galwayrush · 22-06-2012 12:31AM

patwicklow wrote: »

Next they will ban growing your own veg its the way its gone nothing surprises me anymore in this world its gone a sad sad world control control control..

Probably, unless they find some way of adding VAT to it or taxing it as a benefit in kind..

Chucken · 22-06-2012 12:33AM

I wonder how many will comment here,who have never spent a back breaking day/summer in the bog

Free??? it is,ya!

Feathers · 22-06-2012 12:34AM

malachyscott wrote: »

If this is their argument then I'm fully behind banning it. I don't have a bog in my back yard, I have to buy turf. I do live near a forest, but I can't go cut down a tree cause I want firewood.

What if you bought the forest specifically so you'd have firewood & were then banned from getting it?

If the government doesn't want people cutting turf, they should buy their land off them for what's worth.

ilovesleep · 22-06-2012 12:35AM

I don't get it.

First of all. This is our country. Our land. Why the hell is the EU telling us what to do with our land? What right do they have?

Secondaly, turf grows back after cutting it. At which rate, I don't know.

Lastly, we're living in a world where oil is running out. For many homes in ireland they have either one or two of the following - open fire, oil burner. Should we all just move to the boilers and use up as much oil as possible.

hondasam · 22-06-2012 12:35AM

malachyscott wrote: »

I was listening to it on the radio today. Someone put forward the argument that they deserve to cut the turf because it fuels their fires and keeps their family warm.

If this is their argument then I'm fully behind banning it. I don't have a bog in my back yard, I have to buy turf. I do live near a forest, but I can't go cut down a tree cause I want firewood.

I don't think its fair that the majority of people will have to pay a 25000 fine with taxes because someone wants to cut a few pieces of turf.

What is wrong with cutting turf? why do they want to ban it?
No one has a bog in their back yard but anyone who has a bog should be able to cut it.
I don't think it's fair on people who have to buy turf if they have their own bog.

GoldFour4 · 22-06-2012 12:39AM

I didn't know that it was privately owned bog. That's a completely different story then what I thought

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ilovesleep · 22-06-2012 12:43AM

I want to fling sods of turf at someones arse in protest.

Tin Lizzy · 22-06-2012 12:43AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Secondaly, turf grows back after cutting it. At which rate, I don't know.

It's only about 2 to 5 thousand years to grow a bog.

ilovesleep · 22-06-2012 12:44AM

Tin Lizzy wrote: »

It's only about 2 to 5 thousand years to grow a bog.

Ah, ok, that would explain the EU ruling so.

Chucken · 22-06-2012 12:48AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Ah, ok, that would explain the EU ruling so.

Its one thing to stop machine cutting,but they're trying to stop hand cutting too in some areas.

squod · 22-06-2012 12:53AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Lastly, we're living in a world where oil is running out. For many homes in ireland they have either one or two of the following - open fire, oil burner. Should we all just move to the boilers and use up as much oil as possible.

Think the gubberment are encouraging solar panels (from China), rock wool insulation (from China), coal (from Poland Ukraine or China), wood pellets (from Canada) and gas (from Ireland) which we can buy back for ourselves.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-06-2012 12:55AM

Aren't the turf cutters getting money to not cut turf ?

Also the Dutch were the ones who were preserving our bogs long before us.
http://nederlandierland.bravehost.com/bog.html

Cookie_Monster · 22-06-2012 12:58AM

They're being paid not to cut it, it's a tiny overall area of protected bog and it's of national importance as a natural site and for bio diversity.

I'm sure people would have problems if they started mining again in Glendalough, this is no different.

Biggins · 22-06-2012 01:01AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Watching the stand-off on the TV the other day, and heard someone official say that we, as a country, would get a €25,000 fine each day that turf is cut on these designated bogs.

Got me thinking, "how will Europe ever find out?"

I certainly won't tell them, will you?

And can't see officials from Europe standing around these bogs all over the country to see if anyone is cutting on them.

There's bound to be some complacent government supporting puppet, willing to grass them up, you can be sure of!

jimmy blevins · 22-06-2012 01:01AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They'll simply fine us until we prove it's not happening I'd imagine, something we'll never be able to do cos of all the cabbageheads who somehow think they're entitled

When will they get it into their thick cabbageheads that the natural resources of the nation are there for the benifit of big corporations.:rolleyes:

Biggins · 22-06-2012 01:05AM

patwicklow wrote: »

Next they will ban growing your own veg its the way its gone nothing surprises me anymore in this world its gone a sad sad world control control control..

Wouldn't be the first daft thing they have done!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/11/18/ridiculous_european_union_bans_scientific_fact

Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration...

EU regulations, which aim to uphold food standards across member states, are frequently criticised. Rules banning bent bananas and curved cucumbers were scrapped in 2008 after causing international ridicule.

Ukip MEP Paul Nuttall said the ruling made the “bendy banana law” look “positively sane.” He said: “I had to read this four or five times before I believed it. It is a perfect example of what Brussels does best. Spend three years, with 20 separate pieces of correspondence before summoning 21 professors to Parma where they decide with great solemnity that drinking water cannot be sold as a way to combat dehydration. Then they make this judgment law and make it clear that if anybody dares sell water claiming that it is effective against dehydration they could get into serious legal bother."

Lima Golf · 22-06-2012 01:16AM

Ive grown up with a turf fire in the range in the kitchen every day and our little country cottage won't be the same without it! It heats our water, our radiators and we even use the range for cooking. We own our bog, why should we be banned from using the land for its intended purpose?

Turf cutting is an Irish tradition, part of our heritage and culture in many areas of the country. If a certain minority group stated that it was part of their heritage and culture there'd practically be TDs there with wellies on, ready to foot it for them.

Shryke · 22-06-2012 01:17AM

People were promised money for fuel in return for not cutting but apparently didn't receive any. Some that did didn't find the money given in any way substantial. With the price of fuel that's not a surprise.

And some people just don't care about ecology. They would rather shoot anything that isn't a cow or a sheep and tear up designated protected sites.

Government should be a lot more on the ball. They've fumbled this up and continue to do so. I would be shocked if some ministers knew how to start a car let alone implement policy. Following Irish politics is like watching a bad sitcom with no punch lines.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-06-2012 01:20AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Got me thinking, "how will Europe ever find out?"

Look up and you'll see how.

Cookie_Monster · 22-06-2012 02:14AM

Lima Golf wrote: »

Ive grown up with a turf fire in the range in the kitchen every day and our little country cottage won't be the same without it! It heats our water, our radiators and we even use the range for cooking. We own our bog, why should we be banned from using the land for its intended purpose?
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what gives you the right to say digging up bog and burning it is the intended purpose?

anyway you can use the heaps of the cash the gov are freely given you to buy turf, or pick an alternate site. this didn't happen overnight you know, there's been a near decade of warning.

This turf cutting row - will Europe ever know?

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