Pc brigade Gays vs the Salvation Army.

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Googles list of Christian charities set up to help the vulnerable then gooogles list of charities set up by gay australian egomaniacs.


Which list do you think is longer?

squod wrote: »

Yep they salvation Army now equal to the KKK. Well, I've heard it all. Is there a prize for the most crazy post on boards ever? 'Cause you could win.

He said gay people could be officers of the church if they vowed to be celibate as well as unmarried heterosexuals.

Pushtrak wrote: »

Where is the coercive element of the campaign against the SA? People put the information out there, much like this thread. People respond in one of two ways. "I will/will not give my money to this charity". You'd swear that there is a gun to peoples heads telling people they can't give to the charity.

"Important for gay people to know the true position of the Salvation Army when considering who to donate to. Sad." He said asking people to control their sexuality was like asking someone to change their eye colour. it

"On that measure, TSA is one of the most compassionate and non-discriminatory in the way it works with people who are marginalised in our community, including many who are gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender."

but if all Hayes tweeted... was

As are many Christian churches, The Salvation Army (TSA) continues to have a healthy and vigorous internal dialogue about the way it deals internally with issues of sexuality. There are a range of diverse views in an organisation as large and broad as TSA, and these views are being heard and considered.
Clarifications
A Salvation Army statement on homosexuality that dates back to the 1990s has been the subject of public debate this week (17 - 24 June 2012).
The Salvation Army today clarified that the statement was not posted as part of the current debate on gay marriage, and has been on The Salvation Army website for many years.
1. Provision of social services by TSA
The Salvation Army does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in the delivery of its services. All Salvation Army social service programs embrace and work with people ONLY on the basis of need. Salvation Army social service centres around the nation have had multitudes of gay people stay and find acceptance, support and love in TSA’s care.
2. Employment and volunteering with TSA
TSA does not consider sexuality a factor in deciding who we employ, or in the engagement of volunteers. Some of our best employees and volunteers are people who are openly gay.
3. Church involvement with TSA
In terms of Salvation Army church life, homosexual people are welcome to worship with, and join in the fellowship of, Salvation Army churches.
TSA is founded on strong Christian principals which drive and underpin its compassion and desire to work with anyone, without giving up, for as long as it takes.

Response to the comments
TSA respectfully suggests that, under the standards some have suggested people follow in determining which organisations to support, most of Australia's faith-based organisations would effectively be excluded from eligibility, despite their enormous range of vital and effective programs to all members of the Australian community.
TSA would suggest a more appropriate measure for people to use is to look at how an organisation treats and deals with members of the community who are marginalised, vulnerable, experiencing disadvantage or oppression. On that measure, TSA is one of the most compassionate and non-discriminatory in the way it works with people who are marginalised in our community, including many people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender.

Pushtrak wrote: »

See my previous. Would you donate to a KKK charity? I would not think bigotry should be accepted in any form. There isn't a balance on the issue. Sorry.

Major Harmer said a statement on its website, which described homosexuality as "unacceptable" to God and that it should be "restrained" with willpower

Darren Hayes: "Important for gay people to know the true position of the Salvation Army when considering who to donate to. Sad."

Doc wrote: »

Having read your reply I now see exactly what he said and my only issue remains that although their beliefs are in my opinion stupid it dose not prevent them working to help people regardless of their sexual orientation.

When New Zealand considered passage of the Homosexual Law Reform Act in 1986, the Salvation Army collected signatures in an attempt to get the legislation killed. The act decriminalized consensual sex between gay men. The measure passed over the charity’s objections.

In the United Kingdom, the Salvation Army actively pushed passage of an amendment to the Local Government Act. The amendment stated that local authorities “shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality” or “promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship.” The law has since been repealed, but it led many schools and colleges to close LGBT student organizations out of fear they’d lose their government funding.

In 2001, the organization tried to extract a resolution from the White House that they could ignore local non-discrimination laws that protected LGBT people. While the commitment would have applied to all employees, the group claimed that it needed the resolution so it “did not have to ordain sexually active gay ministers and did not have to provide medical benefits to the same-sex partners of employees.” After lawmakers and civil rights activists revealed the Salvation Army’s active resistance to non-discrimination laws, the White House admitted the charity was seeking the exemptions.

Also in 2001, the evangelical charity actively lobbied to change how the Bush administration would distribute over $24 billion in grants and tax deductions by urging the White House deny funding to any cities or states that included LGBT non-discrimination laws. Ari Fleischer, White House press secretary, issued a statement saying the administration was denying a “regulation sought by the church to protect the right of taxpayer-funded religious organizations to discriminate against homosexuals.”

In 2004, the Salvation Army threatened to close all their soup kitchens in New York City to protest the city’s decision to require all vendors and charities doing business with the city to adhere to all civil rights laws. The organization balked at having to treat gay employees equal to straight employees.

He has every right to disagree with them but of all the stupidity currently underway in Australia regarding gay marriage pointing out an old statement on sexuality by the Salvo's really doesn't help anyone.

I tried reading the link that he had on that tweet but they have updated the salvation army site and it now reads as follows.

What would the KKK charity do?

Father Damo wrote: »

I think there is a slight difference between a group that has unfashionble views on sexual morality as opposed to a group whos main pastime used to be lynching people from tree branches.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

So instead of asking people to help those in need. He is saying dont give to the salvation army.
classy. real classy.

squod wrote: »

What I'm saying is there's no live and let live in his attitude. If he wants an entire organisation to change their belief system to suit his. That's the very definition of bigotry.

I'd say it was more like an internet hate campaign. That one mans ego and bullish behaviour is miring the good work of decent volunteers trying to help people out and make a difference in the world.