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What if theists found proof God didn't exist.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    bluewolf wrote: »
    depends on which god



    Imagine it was Odin!


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Katelyn Enough Seam


    Schism wrote: »
    Priests, amongst other clergy, holy people. Pedant :p

    I don't think Odin would want any confessions though!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Schism


    Guill wrote: »
    Imagine it was Odin!
    bluewolf wrote: »
    I don't think Odin would want any confessions though!!

    Ah Odin, the coolest of all deities.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Katelyn Enough Seam


    kali or krishna or ganesh would be cool too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill



    Santa Claus


    Santa Claus is said to be largely based on Odin,
    merged with the Christian legend of Saint Nicholas of
    Myra
    .Most Christmas traditions in Germanic countries derive from celebrations of the
    pagan winter solstice holiday Yule as a result of the gradual merging of the two
    holidays.

    Santa is real!?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Schism


    It's entirely possible Guill. We've already established beyond question* that Odin is real.





    *Nobody questions Odin, not nobody!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    bluewolf wrote: »
    kali or krishna or ganesh would be cool too


    Check out this place Blue ;)

    http://victoriasway.eu/

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭hyperborean


    How do you think they would take the news that God definitively didn't exist without any question of a doubt. Would we see crowds of people jumping off bridges, would we see crime soar, would these former theists become depressed?

    Would they lose their sense of humor?


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Katelyn Enough Seam


    Check out this place Blue ;)

    http://victoriasway.eu/

    that is so cool! thanks :)


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I dont know which is harder to believe

    That there is a god

    Or

    Athiests will actually do some work and look. Unless there is a book deal of course :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    How do you think they would take the news that God definitively didn't exist without any question of a doubt. Would we see crowds of people jumping off bridges, would we see crime soar, would these former theists become depressed?

    It is impossible to prove that something doesn't exist, is it not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    I dont know which is harder to believe

    That there is a god

    Or

    Athiests will actually do some work and look. Unless there is a book deal of course :)

    Wonder how you'd propose people look for a fictional construct.

    Perhaps they could start by asking the muffin man, who lives in Drury Lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    bluewolf wrote: »
    There are a scary number of people who think their life is meaningless without their belief in god and can't conceive of why atheists don't just do exactly that. I would hope that those ones might find some other meaning instead of becoming depressed. Others would continue to think that even this proof is just a test of faith

    Id get extremely depressed if I was told for sure there was no God or afterlife,might even consider suicide:(. I just cant take or comprehend dying and thats that, there has to be something after life!Id be so scared if I knew for definite there was no god..even thinking about it makes me feel sick..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Why are there so many atheists on boards like compared to real life? Most well atleast more than half of people I know believe in God, but almost nobody on here seems to believe in god? Or is it just the atheists voicing their opinion moreso than the believers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    How do you think they would take the news that God definitively didn't exist without any question of a doubt. Would we see crowds of people jumping off bridges, would we see crime soar, would these former theists become depressed?

    It would be reasonably difficult. I think the way it works is, until you have proof of the positive, you go with the negative.

    Occam's Razor and ****.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    How do you think they would take the news that God definitively didn't exist without any question of a doubt. Would we see crowds of people jumping off bridges, would we see crime soar, would these former theists become depressed?

    It is impossible to prove that something doesn't exist, is it not?

    That's why I say if, imagine that scenario.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    I dont know which is harder to believe

    That there is a god

    Or

    Athiests will actually do some work and look. Unless there is a book deal of course :)
    *Rolls up sleeves*

    So, how would one go about this work? What kind of equipment, skillset, tools, techniques, strategies would one undertake in this work? What would one use to look? Would the eyes suffice? Binoculars? Telescope? Microscope?
    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Id get extremely depressed if I was told for sure there was no God or afterlife,might even consider suicide:(. I just cant take or comprehend dying and thats that, there has to be something after life!Id be so scared if I knew for definite there was no god..even thinking about it makes me feel sick..
    And this is why religion survives.
    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Why are there so many atheists on boards like compared to real life? Most well atleast more than half of people I know believe in God, but almost nobody on here seems to believe in god? Or is it just the atheists voicing their opinion moreso than the believers?
    In real life, if a religious person comes across a dissenter, it is agree to disagree and if anything more is said then it is disrespectful. No matter how or who brings it up. Online, a person can post or not post at their leisure. If a position can't be defended, you just have to not post. That's all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭McG


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Why are there so many atheists on boards like compared to real life? Most well atleast more than half of people I know believe in God, but almost nobody on here seems to believe in god? Or is it just the atheists voicing their opinion moreso than the believers?

    For what is a very important aspect of someone's life you'll probably find that many "believers" haven't actually thought about it very much so don't have particularly strong feelings on the subject. In general, in a country like Ireland, those that see themselves as Atheists have put more thought into the topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Why are there so many atheists on boards like compared to real life? Most well atleast more than half of people I know believe in God, but almost nobody on here seems to believe in god? Or is it just the atheists voicing their opinion moreso than the believers?

    Their friends and families probably got fed up listening to them, so they had to go somewhere else to vent.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Odds on those that rely on religion would continue to rely on it. Though thousands of Irish people would finally be able to get their mammies to let them not go to mass...

    Were it the other way around, I'd imagine theists being rational people would start looking for a means of communicating with the Deity that amounted to more than speaking to oneself...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Pushtrak wrote: »
    Ask religious leaders.

    I already made the point, but I'll reiterate... Which "he" and how would we know it was a "he"?
    I'll allow George Carlin to explain that one.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    This would happen
    Homer: Hey, Flanders, heading for church? Well, I thought I
    could save you a little time.

    Ned: Oooh, found a new shortcut.

    Homer: Better. I was working on a flat tax proposal and I
    accidentally proved there's no God. [shows Flanders a
    sheet of paper with complex figuring on it]

    Ned: [flustered] We'll just see about that. [reads the paper]
    Uh-oh. Well, maybe he made a mistake. [checks it again]
    Nope, it's airtight. Can't let this little doozy get out.
    [uses a lighter to burn the proof]


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What i dont get is , Why Atheists who dont believe in god have more of a need to shove this down peoples throats more so then believer's .

    If you dont believe in something move on and stop talking about it. Instead you actually start groups with monthly meetings give lectures and have figure heads making you if not worse then an actual religion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    What i dont get is , Why Atheists who dont believe in god have more of a need to shove this down peoples throats more so then believer's .

    If you dont believe in something move on and stop talking about it. Instead you actually start groups with monthly meetings give lectures and have figure heads making you if not worse then an actual religion.

    But if they didn't how would you contrive ways to feel superior to both?


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Katelyn Enough Seam


    What i dont get is , Why Atheists who dont believe in god have more of a need to shove this down peoples throats more so then believer's .

    If you dont believe in something move on and stop talking about it. Instead you actually start groups with monthly meetings give lectures and have figure heads making you if not worse then an actual religion.

    Any vocal atheists past teenage years are usually vocal because believers won't leave them alone. Of course it seems like a fuss when everyone's used to the believers having their say on everything first.

    "i'll pray for you"
    "if you don't baptise your child i'll kidnap it and baptise it myself"
    "of course you can't get married without the religion then it's just civil ceremony"
    "you're going to hell if you don't convert"
    "are you ever going to mass again"
    "who cares if your child is being brainwashed from kindergarten onwards and being brought on school trips to churches without your knowledge, give them some choice"
    "gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because it's against my religion and that means everyone else shouldnt get it either"

    "can you please lay off i don't believe in your god ok"
    "OMG STOP BEING SO VOCAL!!!"


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But if they didn't how would you contrive ways to feel superior to both?

    I dont need that to feel superior. Im the one saying i dont know if there is a god.

    As i said both believers and atheists are making claims yet both cant back them up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    What i dont get is , Why Atheists who dont believe in god have more of a need to shove this down peoples throats more so then believer's .
    I can't speak for anyone else, obviously. I'd like to see a secular government. As in, no religion put above another. Any policies should not favour any. There are religious people who are secularists, yes and different people will have different approaches.

    Some will try and point out secular government is better and why one might come to recognise such a thing. For instance, one would rather live under a secular government than a government that didn't believe in what that particular person believes in.

    Me? I like discussions on religion and demonstrating why I find it has flaws and trying to get an understanding on why people believe what they believe. It doesn't just apply to religion though. I find myself talking to people about UFO abduction, aliens and other stuff too. I'm interested in why people believe what they believe regardless of what the evidence or facts say. I'm interested in the things that make people say "I wish I lived in a world where this was true" as if the world we actually live was in any way dull. It is fascinating, and I don't understand the mindset of those who don't get this. (As in, the mindset of "why talk about it".)

    Pope blather
    Pope Benedict XVI raises his voice against the "dominant culture of secularism in America" and, between the lines, he attacks Obama's policy in favor of contraception, gay marriage and abortion, preventing a true freedom of conscience to American Catholics.

    In this important meeting Pope called on the church in America, including politicians and other laypeople, to render "public moral witness" on crucial social issues and to "counter the reductive secularism that would delegitimize the Church's participation in public debate on issues critical to the future of American society", as the Church "has a crucial role to play in countering the cultural currents that, based on extreme individualism, seek to promote concepts of freedom separated from moral truth". Benedict XVI does not hide his concern in a crucial year for the fate of the United States and consequently in the Western world.
    As i said both believers and atheists are making claims yet both cant back them up.
    What claim does an atheist make? Not believing? That isn't a claim, that is a rejection of a claim.

    I am happy about something though. This...
    Details will also emerge of how denominational schools in smaller communities will be expected to cater for children of other faiths, as more than 95% of the country’s 3,300 primary schools remain in the control of religious patrons, including 90% where the Catholic bishop is the patron.

    This will most likely involve changes to the law to uphold the rights of pupils at schools with religious patrons if they belong to a different faith, or none. There could also be moves to remove the legal entitlement of schools to give preference to children of their own faith to cover the 20% of schools where demand exceeds available places.
    Hopefully that in some form answers your question.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    What i dont get is , Why Atheists who dont believe in god have more of a need to shove this down peoples throats more so then believer's .

    If you dont believe in something move on and stop talking about it. Instead you actually start groups with monthly meetings give lectures and have figure heads making you if not worse then an actual religion.

    Why people are vocal about religion is not because it is simply religion, it is because it affects people. Would you like if a family member was beaten up or killed for being gay? Now the religion doesn't preach that this should happen, but what it does preach is that certain fundamental things are evil and wrong, which is just propagating hate. It's much more obvious in other countries rather than here, people get harassed quite a lot to the point of being killed or killing themselves(one of the main inventors of the computer for example). Not only this but to preach things as evil/wrong actually ends up in a lack of things like contraception and medicines. I don't think people should just be silent over such injustice. It's not that people are preaching the definition of atheism, a lack of belief in god/s (although I do agree there are plenty of moronic preaching aggressive atheists), they are trying to protect peoples rights. Believe what you want, as long as it doesn't impact others aka creationism in schools and a religious government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    What i dont get is , Why Atheists who dont believe in god have more of a need to shove this down peoples throats more so then believer's .

    If you dont believe in something move on and stop talking about it. Instead you actually start groups with monthly meetings give lectures and have figure heads making you if not worse then an actual religion.

    How many atheists have rung your doorbell in the past to try and talk to you about... Well, nothing much?

    How many atheist billboards have you seen in the last eternity or so?

    How many atheists have you seen standing outside Ann Summers on a Saturday, shouting at people going in and out through a megaphone?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Others would continue to think that even this proof is just a test of faith

    I think Bluewolf has hit on the most likely outcome.

    Evidence is useless in the face of blind faith.


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