Rodney King Found Dead

MagicMarker · 17-06-2012 09:23PM

Delancey wrote: »

King was a criminal well before his ' beating ' and remained one therafter , the brief few seconds of the video do not give the full story , the video was actually longer but the full version is rarely shown and of course the video never showed Kings violent behaviour that night.

Folks seeing a video get worked up but it showed just one ( limited )perspective on a serious incident.

Please enlighten us as to why it's perfectly acceptable for a group of police officers to beat the living shít out of someone?

mirekb · 17-06-2012 09:32PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Please enlighten us as to why it's perfectly acceptable for a group of police officers to beat the living shít out of someone?

He can't.

VEN · 17-06-2012 09:33PM

if this person broke in to your home tonight, had a knife or gun, threatened you with it then you somehow managed to apprehend them, what would you do? i know myself i'd give that person a severe beating or perhaps shooting if it got that far in order to save myself from yes 'scum'.

MagicMarker · 17-06-2012 09:34PM

VEN wrote: »

if this person broke in to your home tonight, had a knife or gun, threatened you with it then you somehow managed to apprehend them, what would you do? i know myself i'd give that person a severe beating or perhaps shooting if it got that far in order to save myself from yes 'scum'.

A nice story, thanks for sharing. WTF has that got to do with anything?

mirekb · 17-06-2012 09:36PM

VEN wrote: »

if this person broke in to your home tonight, had a knife or gun, threatened you with it then you somehow managed to apprehend them, what would you do? i know myself i'd give that person a severe beating or perhaps shooting if it got that far in order to save myself from yes 'scum'.

Are you a police officer? If so would you be on duty in this scenario with some of your other police officer buddies with you?

Delancey · 17-06-2012 09:36PM

Its worth bearing in mind that a jury considered ALL the evidence in this case and not just a few seconds of poor quality video footage and they decided to acquit the police involved.
The video is just a fraction of the full story.

speedboatchase · 17-06-2012 09:37PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Please enlighten us as to why it's perfectly acceptable for a group of police officers to beat the living shít out of someone?

They used excessive force but it was not superfluous, he had attacked the officers while resisting arrest continuously and had gotten up on two occasions, first after baton shots and second after being tased. He needed to be subdued and restrained because he had broken the law, no? And that's what eventually happened, despite his incredible strength on the night.

Also, the final charge - which I agree is excessive (56 shots) - was clearly a last resort and was ordered as such. They had to overpower him because he had broken many laws that night.

MagicMarker · 17-06-2012 09:41PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

They used excessive force but it was not superfluous.

Excessive and superflous mean the same thing.

mirekb · 17-06-2012 09:42PM

Delancey wrote: »

Its worth bearing in mind that a jury considered ALL the evidence in this case and not just a few seconds of poor quality video footage and they decided to acquit the police involved.
The video is just a fraction of the full story.

This is true, but it doesn't mean the police officers were right, just that they were excused because of extreme provocation.

speedboatchase · 17-06-2012 09:46PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Excessive and superflous mean the same thing.

Not necessarily. Superfluous means unnecessary while excessive means more than is necessary - excessive is more suited if you're talking in multiples.

Anyway I'll rephrase. Looking at it from an outsider's perspective, 56 shots seems excessive. However to the officers who had watched the guy get up twice following attempts to subdue him, I'm sure they did not feel their shots superfluous - they were continuing the beating until they felt he could not charge them again.

MagicMarker · 17-06-2012 09:53PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Not necessarily. Superfluous means unnecessary while excessive means more than is necessary - excessive is more suited if you're talking in multiples.

Anyway I'll rephrase. Looking at it from an outsider's perspective, 56 shots seems excessive. However to the officers who had watched the guy get up twice following attempts to subdue him, I'm sure they did not feel their shots superfluous - they were continuing the beating until they felt he could not charge them again.

I have to assume you've never seen the video, you know, the one of the man rolling around on the ground with cops standing around him beating him with batons?

Semantics aside, anyone who thinks it was not superflous is nuts imo.

17-06-2012 10:09PM

Delancey wrote: »

Its worth bearing in mind that a jury considered ALL the evidence in this case and not just a few seconds of poor quality video footage and they decided to acquit the police involved.
The video is just a fraction of the full story.

The second trial two of the offIcers were convicted they must of seen ALL the evidence too !

arse..biscuits · 17-06-2012 10:09PM

I wish the Gardai would baton the scum over here

Nodin · 17-06-2012 10:09PM

Delancey wrote: »

Its worth bearing in mind that a jury considered ALL the evidence in this case and not just a few seconds of poor quality video footage and they decided to acquit the police involved.
The video is just a fraction of the full story.

10 minutes plus of clear footage.

You've yet to explain

King was a criminal well before his ' beating ' and remained one therafter

mikemac1 · 17-06-2012 10:16PM

It's in the Guardian article Nodin

Before:

The son of a violent, alcoholic father, King drank too much from a young age and had been jailed for threatening a shopkeeper with an iron bar. On the night of the beating, he was drunk at the wheel of his car and speeding.

After:

his drinking grew worse, he was convicted of spousal abuse

Ellis Dee · 17-06-2012 10:18PM

arse..biscuits wrote: »

I wish the Gardai would baton the scum over here

Be careful what you wish for. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you also like them to be free to decide, without due process of law, a free and fair trial or any of that namby-pamby liberal stuff, who was scum and deserved to be beaten to a pulp?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you trust them to get it right every time?

Or, have you given any thought to the possibility that they might get it wrong just once ---

And the person they beat the shit out of is you?:eek::eek:

admiralofthefleet · 17-06-2012 10:18PM

see what happens when you have michael barrymore over

Nodin · 17-06-2012 10:30PM

Just for a bit of background on what went on......

Based on published reports and public documents . . . it appears that three of the four indicted officers had been named in prior complaints for excessive force.
Computer, Radio Transmissions
Computer and radio messages transmitted among officers immediately after the beating raised additional concerns that the King beating was part of a larger pattern of police abuse. Shortly before the King beating, Powell's and Wind's patrol unit transmitted the computer message that an earlier domestic dispute between an African-American couple was "right out of 'Gorillas in the Mist'," a reference to a motion picture about the study of gorillas in Africa.

The initial report of the beating came at 12:56 a.m., when Koon's unit reported to the watch commander's desk at Foothill Station: "You just had a big-time use of force. . . . Tased and beat the suspect of CHP pursuit, big time."

The Rodney King beating gave immediate rise to myriad questions about the Los Angeles Police Department. Concerns were voiced about the openness of the officers' conduct; the presence of a sergeant who failed to control and indeed directed the violence; the puzzling convergence of so many officers at the end-of-pursuit location after the Code 4 broadcast that no assistance was needed; the number of officers who stood by during the beating and failed to report it afterwards; and the radio comments and computer transmissions before and after the incident that suggested a possible racial motivation and a ready acceptance of excessive force as "basic stuff" by LAPD officers.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-10/news/mn-1962_1_lapd-officers-excessive-force-officers-laurence-m-powell

Powell and Winds unit transmitted the word "oops" at 1.12 AM to foot patrol officers working the Sunland Tujunga area of Foothill division who were not at the scene of the beating. The following exchange then occurred during the next five minutes -

"oops what?"

(powell/wind) I haven't beaten anyone this bad in a long time"

"Oh not again, I thought you agreed to chill out for a while. What did he do?"

"I think he was dusted....many broken bones later after the pursuit"

(my bold)
http://www.parc.info/client_files/Special%20Reports/1%20-%20Chistopher%20Commision.pdf

Nodin · 17-06-2012 10:31PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

It's in the Guardian article Nodin

Before:

After:

Yer man seems to think that justifies him getting beaten to a pulp, hence the question.

mirekb · 17-06-2012 10:34PM

Nodin wrote: »

Just for a bit of background on what went on......

Jesus, it's not even heat of the moment stuff

arse..biscuits · 17-06-2012 11:13PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

arse..biscuits wrote: »

I wish the Gardai would baton the scum over here

Be careful what you wish for. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you also like them to be free to decide, without due process of law, a free and fair trial or any of that namby-pamby liberal stuff, who was scum and deserved to be beaten to a pulp?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you trust them to get it right every time?

Or, have you given any thought to the possibility that they might get it wrong just once ---

And the person they beat the shit out of is you?:eek::eek:

,,z,

K-9 · 18-06-2012 12:06AM

Posts there is more to King than meets the eye.

Posts fecking Guards, look at the May Day riots, Barron etc. in another!

You don't have to look too far for the ramifications of a police forces doling out justice, it happened over the border and it doesn't work out very well!

bnt · 18-06-2012 12:24AM

Yeesh. Wish I hadn't started this thread, even though someone would have done it anyway.

Fenian Army · 18-06-2012 12:33AM

Delancey is hardly a member of the PSNI is he?

With attitudes like his towards police brutality I'm sure he fits in great with the old RUC heads who are still around

18-06-2012 12:35AM

bnt wrote: »

Yeesh. Wish I hadn't started this thread, even though someone would have done it anyway.

Can't we all just get along? RIP

meoklmrk91 · 18-06-2012 01:06AM

If this was four normal run of the mill fellas against 1 police officer and they gave him the hiding the Rodney King got people would be calling for their heads. Despite what anyone does, to beat someone like that is just appalling and only makes people mistrust law enforcement even more, it is a pointless exercise of power and a lack of discipline, if that video was never recorded you can almost guarantee that Rodney King would have never even gotten his case brought before a jury.

While I have a respect for law enforcement as I have never had a run in, I know many a crooked cop, from those who beat young lads brought in for drunk and disorderly to a pulp and say they found them that way, to those that covered up some unspeakable things. The older I get the less respect I have for the Gardai.

VEN · 18-06-2012 06:22AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

A nice story, thanks for sharing. WTF has that got to do with anything?

they committed a crime and gave as good as they got, thats wtf its got to do with it. it may have only been one police officer, he'd still have got a beating for threatening and endangering their life.

VEN · 18-06-2012 06:27AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

They used excessive force but it was not superfluous, he had attacked the officers while resisting arrest continuously and had gotten up on two occasions, first after baton shots and second after being tased. He needed to be subdued and restrained because he had broken the law, no? And that's what eventually happened, despite his incredible strength on the night.

Also, the final charge - which I agree is excessive (56 shots) - was clearly a last resort and was ordered as such. They had to overpower him because he had broken many laws that night.

my thoughts exactly. he was off his rocker.

Nodin · 18-06-2012 01:16PM

VEN wrote: »

they committed a crime and gave as good as they got, thats wtf its got to do with it. it may have only been one police officer, he'd still have got a beating for threatening and endangering their life.

....thats a law now, is it?

VEN · 18-06-2012 01:27PM

Nodin wrote: »

....thats a law now, is it?

yes, my law. threaten and endanger my life with death - you get as good as you give. self defence and all that. in fact its now law to do that in your own home. ok we can get into a debate on how excessive that force may be, but how can one predict the type of force that the criminal may use, if any.

Rodney King Found Dead

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