Murder trial in Mauritius

later12 · 14-06-2012 05:30PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

The revelation of the CCTV is meaningless- A it doesn't look like it's the couple in question and B if it is them, so bloody what?!! all couples row, ESPECIALLY on holiday.

Absolutely. I'm sure if any of us had the last 35 minutes of our lives recorded on CCTV today, many of us would have said or done something that could very easily be taken way out of context.

This was a normal, human relationship. It's not The bloody Bold & The Beautiful. If John and Michaela McAreevy quarreled in the half-hour leading up to the latter's death, I feel sorry for John McAreevy that that's how it ended between him and his wife, but I don't find it remotely surprising given that they were a normal couple in a normal relationship. This is real life; couples fight.

DeeMitch · 14-06-2012 07:29PM

I think he did go to look for her after 15 minutes, knocked on the room door but got no reply. So he had to go from there to reception to ask one of the hotel staff to let him into the room. To and from reception, dealing with staff probably accounts for a further 15/20 minutes.

It looks like him on CCTV footage but I presume it's not since both families say so. If it is them, the CCTV timer could be inaccurate. As for the row, who hasn't had one. All the heat, expense, time on your hands - I'm amazed anyone goes on holiday for anything longer than a weekend.

Lollipops23 · 14-06-2012 08:15PM

DeeMitch wrote: »

It looks like him on CCTV footage but I presume it's not since both families say so. If it is them, the CCTV timer could be inaccurate. As for the row, who hasn't had one. All the heat, expense, time on your hands - I'm amazed anyone goes on holiday for anything longer than a weekend.

yep, myself and himself nearly tore the heads off each other in Helsinki airport a few months back. had that CCTV been needed in my murder trial, he would certainly be in cuffs right about now.

sawakatoome · 14-06-2012 11:03PM

I know its part of the defence (and apparently or at least allegedly what happened) .. but whenever I hear that the story is that Michaela returned to her room "to fetch her favourite biscuits", I always wince

Smidge · 14-06-2012 11:43PM

I'm not taking a stance either way but something doesn't add up to me.

It's a 5star all-inclusive resort, surely if he bought the biscuits they were not Irish goodies(which I know a lot of people do).
So would the hotel not have given them the biscuits with the tea(as is done in most 5 star's let alone an all-inclusive resort)

It was 2.45pm
It was Mauritius
It was their honeymoon and they were drinking tea?

At the pool
Where it would have been very hot?

Something doesn't make sense

hondasam · 15-06-2012 12:02AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

I'm not taking a stance either way but something doesn't add up to me.

It's a 5star all-inclusive resort, surely if he bought the biscuits they were not Irish goodies(which I know a lot of people do).
So would the hotel not have given them the biscuits with the tea(as is done in most 5 star's let alone an all-inclusive resort)

It was 2.45pm
It was Mauritius
It was their honeymoon and they were drinking tea?

At the pool
Where it would have been very hot?

Something doesn't make sense

I think she was drinking tea, some people love their tea, I would not find this unusual. The biscuits I assumed they brought with them.

dark crystal · 15-06-2012 12:05AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

I'm not taking a stance either way but something doesn't add up to me.

It's a 5star all-inclusive resort, surely if he bought the biscuits they were not Irish goodies(which I know a lot of people do).
So would the hotel not have given them the biscuits with the tea(as is done in most 5 star's let alone an all-inclusive resort)

It was 2.45pm
It was Mauritius
It was their honeymoon and they were drinking tea?

At the pool
Where it would have been very hot?

Something doesn't make sense

She was a pioneer, so I don't understand what doesn't make sense about her drinking tea on holiday. Being Irish, I would assume she drank tea a lot. The time of day is completely irrelevant - don't many people drink tea or coffee during the afternoon?

Also, it was a Kit-Kat from the mini bar she supposedly went up for - I doubt the Mauritian hotel supplied those for guests with their tea.

hondasam · 15-06-2012 12:07AM

dark crystal wrote: »

She was a pioneer, so I don't understand what doesn't make sense about her drinking tea on holiday. Being Irish, I would assume she drank tea a lot. The time of day is completely irrelevant - don't many people drink tea or coffee during the afternoon?

Also, it was a Kit-Kat she supposedly went up for - I doubt the Mauritian hotel supplied those for guests.

I think I read where he said it was chocolate cookies.

dark crystal · 15-06-2012 12:15AM

hondasam wrote: »

I think I read where he said it was chocolate cookies.

Her husband specified that it was a dark chocolate Kit-Kat from the mini bar in the room.

K-9 · 15-06-2012 12:17AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

I'm not taking a stance either way but something doesn't add up to me.

It's a 5star all-inclusive resort, surely if he bought the biscuits they were not Irish goodies(which I know a lot of people do).
So would the hotel not have given them the biscuits with the tea(as is done in most 5 star's let alone an all-inclusive resort)

It was 2.45pm
It was Mauritius
It was their honeymoon and they were drinking tea?

At the pool
Where it would have been very hot?

Something doesn't make sense

Sure they drink tea after curries to quench thirst!

I'd wait before becoming a super sleuth detective myself! This is a defence lawyer grasping at anything to get his client of. All he needs is some doubt in the jury to get his client off.

There's a stretch between casting doubt on the defendants and theories on how the husband did it.

Smidge · 15-06-2012 12:17AM

I was just curious about those points, no agenda.

I was not aware she was a pioneer but my point about the time of day was that it would have been very hot to drink tea, having been to some very hot places would have loved a cup of tea but it was too hot to drink it.

I would have assumed that they had cookies there, being five star.

I agree with the other posters that it seem's a very long time for a man not to have gone after a woman who was just gone for biscuits. 10 mins would be the absolute longest before my other half would have come looking for me considering it would have probably been a 1-2 minute biscuit run.

I have to keep an open mind on this I'm afraid(with huge sympathy for her folks) as there are a lot of inaccuracies on both sides imo

Smidge · 15-06-2012 12:20AM

K-9 wrote: »

Sure they drink tea after curries to quench thirst!

I'd wait before becoming a super sleuth detective myself! This is a defence lawyer grasping at anything to get his client of. All he needs is some doubt in the jury to get his client off.

There's a stretch between casting doubt on the defendants and theories on how the husband did it.

You mean people who are native to place like India etc drink tea after curries?
I was not sleuthing but curious.

hondasam · 15-06-2012 12:21AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Her husband specified that it was a dark chocolate Kit-Kat from the mini bar in the room.

http://www.thejournal.ie/john-mcareavey-breaks-down-as-he-testifies-in-michaela-murder-trial-476893-Jun2012/

“She immediately went to the room to retrieve chocolate cookies, of which she was fond,” McAreavey recalled, specifying they were dark Kit Kats which they kept in the minibar of the room''

.

So he did, dunno what these are btw.

dark crystal · 15-06-2012 12:25AM

DeeMitch wrote: »

It looks like him on CCTV footage but I presume it's not since both families say so. If it is them, the CCTV timer could be inaccurate. As for the row, who hasn't had one. All the heat, expense, time on your hands - I'm amazed anyone goes on holiday for anything longer than a weekend.

Sure the woman in the still is wearing a bikini - Would be fairly easy to verify if Michaela had the same one or not.

K-9 · 15-06-2012 12:34AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

You mean people who are native to place like India etc drink tea after curries?
I was not sleuthing but curious.

Apparently so, hence tea being popular in India and China. Plus us Irish do love our tea, as well as our alcohol!

Ach I know, you are just asking questions, but I'm waiting to see what the evidence is first! Not a fan of the McCanns so I'm with you on the questioning!

up for anything · 15-06-2012 12:40AM

I'm surprised that neither side have brought up (or at least not that I know of) whether this hotel had a reputation for petty larceny from the guest rooms. Surely a 5* hotel would come down heavy on staff that stole from guests. Nothing has been said about stuff going missing from rooms prior to the murder. Why would 2/3 people be involved in rummaging in a room to see whether there was anything of value there? One person could do it on their own easily and more inconspicuously.

dark crystal · 15-06-2012 12:43AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

You mean people who are native to place like India etc drink tea after curries?
I was not sleuthing but curious.

Out of the top 10 biggest tea consuming countries in the world, 8 of them are nations with very hot climates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consumption_per_capita

Although I feel we've gone slightly off-topic here....

Smidge · 15-06-2012 12:47AM

K-9 wrote: »

Apparently so, hence tea being popular in India and China. Plus us Irish do love our tea, as well as our alcohol!

Ach I know, you are just asking questions, but I'm waiting to see what the evidence is first! Not a fan of the McCanns so I'm with you on the questioning!

I think what I found strange about it too was the lack of evidence for either side! As I said already, a lot of inaccuracies.

The folks in India don't drink tea the same way we do(for the smarty pants out there, yes I know they use their mouths:D)
They don't usually have it after food esp hot curries, would defeat the purpose of the curry.
Couldn't resist that tidbit from when I was there:o

Smidge · 15-06-2012 12:51AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Out of the top 10 biggest tea consuming countries in the world, 8 of them are nations with very hot climates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consumption_per_capita

Although I feel we've gone slightly off-topic here....

No intention to bring off topic, someone brought it up, I replied.
I am quite aware that it is drank in hot countries thanks;)

dark crystal · 15-06-2012 12:59AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

No intention to bring off topic, someone brought it up, I replied.
I am quite aware that it is drank in hot countries thanks;)

Fair enough, I thought you had implied in your original post that you found it strange for someone to be drinking tea in a hot climate during the afternoon.

I was just pointing out that it's very common - no harm, no foul

Smidge · 15-06-2012 01:02AM

No problem I was just making the point that the people native to that hot country drink tea like that, not in general the tourists.
Given that I wasn't aware that she was tea-total, its fair enough

Smidge · 15-06-2012 01:07AM

up for anything wrote: »

I'm surprised that neither side have brought up (or at least not that I know of) whether this hotel had a reputation for petty larceny from the guest rooms. Surely a 5* hotel would come down heavy on staff that stole from guests. Nothing has been said about stuff going missing from rooms prior to the murder. Why would 2/3 people be involved in rummaging in a room to see whether there was anything of value there? One person could do it on their own easily and more inconspicuously.

Did it mention anywhere how long the two men in custody have been working for the hotel?
We all know that thefts do go one in hotels everywhere esp luxury ones where the temptation seems even higher for the staff

DeeMitch · 15-06-2012 03:46AM

I read somewhere that a number of staff were convicted of stealing from an Indian couple staying at the same hotel a few months after Michaela McAreavey's death.

My name is URL · 17-06-2012 12:24PM

German man says that he is the person on CCTV and that if necessary he'll travel to Mauritius to give evidence.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0617/german-chef-says-he-is-in-mcareavey-cctv-footage.html

Lollipops23 · 17-06-2012 01:20PM

My name is URL wrote: »

German man says that he is the person on CCTV and that if necessary he'll travel to Mauritius to give evidence.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0617/german-chef-says-he-is-in-mcareavey-cctv-footage.html

there ya go, proof that the defence are attempting to pass off ill-researched evidence to smear her husband. Surely even the slightest bit of delving would have shown it wasn't the McCreaveys, so one has to ask if they knew full well the identity of the couple in the footage and put it forward anyway.

17-06-2012 01:27PM

Was reading that myself earlier, I just hope that they are compitent enough to follow through on this it's beyond an absolute disgrace. Does that solicitor have a conscience?

Shryke · 17-06-2012 06:21PM

On rte news: And here is the very desk we saw in that cctv footage.

I just want to point out how pants on head poor this reporting is. Money is being spent so a pudgy middle aged man can stands their and show us a desk.
It's awful that someone died but this is farcical.

VEN · 17-06-2012 09:03PM

My name is URL wrote: »

German man says that he is the person on CCTV and that if necessary he'll travel to Mauritius to give evidence.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0617/german-chef-says-he-is-in-mcareavey-cctv-footage.html

Thank God

Varied · 17-06-2012 09:19PM

My name is URL wrote: »

German man says that he is the person on CCTV and that if necessary he'll travel to Mauritius to give evidence.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0617/german-chef-says-he-is-in-mcareavey-cctv-footage.html

This is great news.

Can't wait for this **** to end, Jesus I hope people are keeping an eye on John, if I was in that situation I dunno if I could live with myself.

bruschi · 17-06-2012 09:51PM

mishkalucy wrote: »

I was just curious about those points, no agenda.

I was not aware she was a pioneer but my point about the time of day was that it would have been very hot to drink tea, having been to some very hot places would have loved a cup of tea but it was too hot to drink it.

I would have assumed that they had cookies there, being five star.

I agree with the other posters that it seem's a very long time for a man not to have gone after a woman who was just gone for biscuits. 10 mins would be the absolute longest before my other half would have come looking for me considering it would have probably been a 1-2 minute biscuit run.

I have to keep an open mind on this I'm afraid(with huge sympathy for her folks) as there are a lot of inaccuracies on both sides imo

why would you presume that? in a resort with 4 or 5 restaurants and chalets and rooms that extend nearly a kilometre stretch over the resort. it could easily be a 10/15 minute walk from where they were back to their room. He also had to go back to reception and then go back to the room again, so effectively made 3 trips and within this 45 minute time frame people keep saying is too long.

it wasnt 45 minutes til he thought she is gone too long, it was 45 minutes from when she left, to him going to the room, going to reception and going back to the room and then finding her. its hardly unusual at all.

the defence in this case are just spouting nonsense trying to veer it off in all sorts of directions. they are throwing anything they can at it in the hope something might stick or put doubt in minds. have they actually put forward any credible case that the 2 men they are defending did not enter the room as their key cards show they did? no. they just keep going on about things that have no relevance to their actual defence, but may put doubt in minds of jurors.

Murder trial in Mauritius

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