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Latchy · 16-06-2012 12:19AM

DoneDL wrote: »

. I do hope we give Italy a game that gives us a good exit.

The least a deserving public could ask for in a tournament that I'm sure from an Irish perspective , most will want to forget .

Stovlid .Amen to that .

At last , an article that doesn't use the loyalty of the Irish fans and their singing to gloss over the truth about Irish international football ...but it was coming .

Elmer Blooker · 16-06-2012 12:28AM

a good article indeed stovelid.......... there may be trouble ahead for Irish football but while there's moonlight and music and love and romance let's face the music and Gdansk !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4z3lttMpTs

Dyr · 16-06-2012 12:32AM

Would the disciples of the eircom fried chicken league prefer that young irish talent didnt go to the UK but rather stayed here to be nutured at the various academies of excellence that our indigenous clubs offer

. That they'll create a generation of world beaters by having them play for finn harps :eek:

That article is the kind of righteous daftness that LOI head's come up with from time to time I guess.

CiaranC · 16-06-2012 12:41AM

Bambi wrote: »

Would the disciples of the eircom fried chicken league prefer that young irish talent didnt go to the UK but rather stayed here to be nutured at the various academies of excellence that our indigenous clubs offer .

You know that's what happens with every other nation in the tournament, right?

starbelgrade · 16-06-2012 12:44AM

I think we need to invoke the Granny Rule more stringently.

Latchy · 16-06-2012 12:47AM

DoneDL wrote: »

That article is the kind of righteous daftness that LOI head's come up with from time to time I guess.

But if an outsider with an objective opinion and no personall axe to grind about Ireland wrote that article it would be different .?

It doesn't really matter how the truth comes out but millions in Ireland and around Europe saw it with their own eyes .

Dyr · 16-06-2012 12:57AM

Latchy wrote: »

But if an outsider with an objective opinion and no personall axe to grind about Ireland wrote that article it would be different .?

It doesn't really matter how the truth comes out but millions in Ireland and around Europe saw it with their own eyes .

An outsider would say "what we need to do is build our local league up from the non entity it is so that we don't have send our kids across the water to learn that poxy english style of playing."

I don't think an outsider would say that?

stovelid · 16-06-2012 01:10AM

Bambi wrote: »

Would the disciples of the eircom fried chicken league prefer that young irish talent didnt go to the UK but rather stayed here to be nutured at the various academies of excellence that our indigenous clubs offer . That they'll create a generation of world beaters by having them play for finn harps :eek:

That article is the kind of righteous daftness that LOI head's come up with from time to time I guess.

The FAI think just like you.

The junior football structures in this country think just like you.

That's why we are fucked.

That's why we are a laughing stock despite - and because of - our ludicrously high notions about our importance in football and kid ourselves thay we are respected in world football for singing mongo songs on TV wearing leprechaun hats.

That's why we get raped by a country like Croatia that is the sane size as us; a country with a strong domestic football culture that are a respected international side.

Anyway back to hating "The Brits" while simultaneously **** money, support and talent into their leagues.

Latchy · 16-06-2012 01:13AM

Bambi wrote: »

An outsider would say "what we need to do is build our local league up from the non entity it is so that we don't have send our kids across the water to learn that poxy english style of playing."

I don't think an outsider would say that?

Well there's always the Swedish ,Danish ,Norwegian ,Swiss etc style of Playing football who despite their limitations , give a fair account of themselfs in tournaments .

The point is , it doesn't matter if that article is writtten by a jurno for Footbal international , Joe Soap who volunteers to write for the local league or Joe Public in Ireland because it's only saying what is .How to deal with the matter is another thing altogether but their are some subtle hints in it there that would do to take on board for all concerned .

When we drew against Hungary in the pre friendly ,It was obious that we would be punished by those wasted Hungarian chances and after the Croatia game we thought ( hoped ) it couldn't get any worse only for to see in the first minutes , 3 '' professioanal '' Irish footballers stare at a loose ball (which any school boys instinct would be to just hoof away ) allowing the first Spanish goal .

starbelgrade · 16-06-2012 01:14AM

It's all Bambi's fault. The Euro debacle. The state of the LOI. The fact that Trap looks like Leslie Nielsen.

All of it.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 16-06-2012 01:21AM

Just noticed driving home this evening a family who were taking down flags and bunting from their house, not even waiting for the final game. It made me feel sad to think that our whole Euro adventure lasted the grand total of 4 days.

stovelid · 16-06-2012 01:23AM

Latchy wrote: »

The point is , it doesn't matter if that article is writtten by a jurno for Footbal international , Joe Soap who volunteers to write for the local league or Joe Public in Ireland because it's only saying what is .How to deal with the matter is another thing altogether but their are some subtle hints in it there that would do to take on board for all concerned .

I don't think that guy is a LOI head.

The simple - perhaps unpalatable - fact is that a lot of foreign football supporters watching the Euros find it pretty weird that such rabid support for the national team at a tournament translates to such crap support for their domestic league.

Fair enough if people want to counter that with snide vacuous remarks about fried chicken leagues and whatnot but that is the truth. Most LOI supporters know that already from meeting supporters of foreign clubs through friendlies, European ties and internationals anyway.

Dyr · 16-06-2012 01:35AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's all Bambi's fault. The Euro debacle. The state of the LOI. The fact that Trap looks like Leslie Nielsen.

All of it.

Leslie Nielsen me arse, He be the dead spit of Lloyd Bridges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeI5ke0BENw

Other than that it was all me, I also gave Steven Staunton elocution lessons and framed Tom Humphries.

starbelgrade · 16-06-2012 01:38AM

Bambi wrote: »

Other than that it was all me, I also gave Steven Staunton elocution lessons and framed Tom Humphries.

We have something in common then - I gave Roy Hodgson elocution lessons and framed Woger Wabbit.

Super-Rush · 16-06-2012 01:59AM

Ì always found it strange that the domestic league was shunned so much by the majority of Irish people.

I remember as a kid, wanting to go and see St Pats play Kilkenny City and my dad wouldn't take me to see it because it was only mickey mouse football. He was the one who got me into supporting Liverpool in the first place and loved watching the international team, but when it came to the LOI, it just didn't exist as far as he was concerned. When i was old enough i was able to get to the games myself and try to get to matches when i can, but not nearly as much as i should.

People seem to forget that some of our greatest players started out in the LOI.

Paul Mcgrath - St Pats
Liam Brady - Home Farm
John Giles - Stella Maris
Roy Keane - Cobh Ramblers
Ronnie Whelan - Home Farm
Kevin Moran - Bohemians
Robbie Keane - Crumlin United
Packie Bonner - Keadue Rovers

We seem to be the only country in the world that thinks that searching for a player who is not good enough to play for England, Scotland, Wales etc is acceptable.

The two biggest mistakes made were the FAI only concentrating on the national team and giving two fingers to the LOI and getting rid of Brian Kerr as our manager. He had earned his stripes from managing in the LOI but i suppose he wasn't the sexy choice for the FAI.

The problem is that the FAI hirearchy is full of ould codgers who like to line their own pockets and slap each other on the backs at the AGM. Nothing is going to change until these people are retired and the people of Ireland start to show the same support to the national league as they show to the EPL and the SPL. This doesn't mean that they have to stop supporting the likes of Liverpool, Man Utd and Celtic, theres no rule saying that they can't support two clubs, but if you want to have a half decent national team, you have to start helping Irish clubs find and develop these players.

You can say what you like about the GAA, but the success of the likes of Kilkenny in hurling and and Kerry in football is down to the fact that the grass roots end of things is done properly. The FAI needs to start investing in proper underage programmes and getting kids attached to clubs so they can develop as footballers. Then when they are ready to move on, sell them on for good money that can be reinvested back into the club. Its the way it works in every other country.

Latchy · 16-06-2012 02:28AM

stovelid wrote: »

I don't think that guy is a LOI head.

The simple - perhaps unpalatable - fact is that a lot of foreign football supporters watching the Euros find it pretty weird that such rabid support for the national team at a tournament translates to such crap support for their domestic league.

Fair enough if people want to counter that with snide vacuous remarks about fried chicken leagues and whatnot but that is the truth. Most LOI supporters know that already from meeting supporters of foreign clubs through friendlies, European ties and internationals anyway.

Just coming at it from my own perspective and expierences with Irish domestic /International football , I am originally from the soutside of Dublin but would as a teen reguarly go to see Bohs play at Dalymount park on sundays ,sometimes go to the mid week FAI cup games and occasionaly would go over to Milltown to watch them play rovers ( I saw Rovers play Birmingham city in a friendly there when Bob Latchford and the guy who's a top knob in the English FA ( can't think of his name now ) played for Brum ...2-0 to the Brum ) .

I also went to see my first Irish international game at Dalymount as a kid when a Dundalk man 'Mick Megan was the Irish manager ( younger viewers ask your father )

This was before the Eoin Hand era and the only anglo player in the side that time was ' cockney ' John Dempsey from Chelsea and in those days ( early 70s ) if Ireland scored a goal againt foreign opposition back then it was a big occasion ...never mind win a game, which they sometimes did to ( Steve Highway been mobbed on the pitch by a 100's of Irish kids after he scored against England in a B international at Lansdowne road springs to mind )

I have been lucky to see the Man Utd Team ( which strangly enough only had George Best and Lou Macari as the only surviving members left from that great side ) beat Bohs 2-0 ,saw Everton draw 2-2 with Rovers in front of 55,000 people , with Alan Ball and Joe Royle in the side that night ( Everton were lucky to get the draw ) and the Leeds Utd side (with Giles,Bremmer ,Clarke ,Charlton,Lorimer etc ) beat UCD 2-0 as well as Brazil with Pele with Santos beat an IrelandX with similar score ...all at Dalymount park in the 70s

I have attended many Irish internationals at home over the years and with living in England now ,my last time to see the Irish internatioanl side was at Charlton Athletic Valley ground to see them get beat 3-0 by Nigeria in that four country tournament .

I'm only saying as such so as to not come across as another bar stool expert who never attended a league of Ireland game in his life ...so kudos to all those who have supported the LOI still .

Latchy · 16-06-2012 02:55AM

Super-Rush wrote: »

The two biggest mistakes made were the FAI only concentrating on the national team and giving two fingers to the LOI and getting rid of Brian Kerr as our manager. He had earned his stripes from managing in the LOI but i suppose he wasn't the sexy choice for the FAI.

I always admired Brian Kerr , how he motivated the Irish team and he was always only 2 or 3 players short of a great side and yes , he had some bad results but it was shocking how quick the FAI kicked him out .

The problem is that the FAI hirearchy is full of ould codgers who like to line their own pockets and slap each other on the backs at the AGM. Nothing is going to change until these people are retired and the people of Ireland start to show the same support to the national league as they show to the EPL and the SPL

. It's just part and parcel of the old Irish brigade ,people who only want to hold onto what best for them ,not what's best for the intersts of Irish football or anything that takes away from their stance in 'The Board ' ...which is really just an extension of everthing else that's wrong in Irish life over the decades .

BIG BAD JOHN · 16-06-2012 06:12AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Just noticed driving home this evening a family who were taking down flags and bunting from their house, not even waiting for the final game. It made me feel sad to think that our whole Euro adventure lasted the grand total of 4 days.

It's probably my imagination but even the flags on cars seem to be fluttering in a very half-hearted way now.

Show Time · 16-06-2012 09:58AM

carvaggio wrote: »

The idea that we have the greatest football fans is a bit much even though it may appear so in the large tournaments with the world watching. During qualifying games the support is rarely if ever like this, the fact is that these tournaments are treated as a big party (and why not) a lot of the fans are as interested in drinking and singing as the football, the idea that our fans are somehow superior to others is a bit false me.

Some of the individuals I know who have traveled to Poland I would very dubiously describe as fans of the Irish football team.

In six months time they will either be on the Neil Prenderville or Joe Duffy show crying their eyes out and blaming Europe that they have no money for Christmas.

Capt'n Midnight · 16-06-2012 02:27PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Just noticed driving home this evening a family who were taking down flags and bunting from their house, not even waiting for the final game. It made me feel sad to think that our whole Euro adventure lasted the grand total of 4 days.

In fairness our euro adventure ended when we didn't win against Croatia. Beating Croatia, and getting one point from either of the other games and hoping the other results went our way was our only realistic hope of getting ourselves of the group other than a complete and utter fluke or relying on a bye in the final match by a team already qualified and wanting to choose an different match in the next round.

Still not 100% sure of the maths but if it's a 2:2 draw between Spain and Croatia then Italy may need to beat us 4:0 to progress ?? (can anyone confirm this ?) so we aren't going to get a bye in the last game.

We have the potential, rugby and GAA shows that. George Best showed that this island can on occasion produce great players. When our cricket team beat Pakistan they revamped their whole youth training.

Hopefully the €3Bn deal between SKY / BT will mean that UK soccer will be too expensive for us to watch - but I doubt it.

Elmer Blooker · 16-06-2012 02:37PM

BIG BAD JOHN wrote: »

It's probably my imagination but even the flags on cars seem to be fluttering in a very half-hearted way now.

Trap and the players are dressed appropriately anyway. Those black ties they're wearing makes them look like they in mourning and going to a funeral.

awec · 16-06-2012 02:37PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In fairness our euro adventure ended when we didn't win against Croatia. Beating Croatia, and getting one point from either of the other games and hoping the other results went our way was our only realistic hope of getting ourselves of the group other than a complete and utter fluke or relying on a bye in the final match by a team already qualified and wanting to choose an different match in the next round.

Still not 100% sure of the maths but if it's a 2:2 draw between Spain and Croatia then Italy may need to beat us 4:0 to progress ?? (can anyone confirm this ?) so we aren't going to get a bye in the last game.

We have the potential, rugby and GAA shows that. George Best showed that this island can on occasion produce great players. When our cricket team beat Pakistan they revamped their whole youth training.

Hopefully the €3Bn deal between SKY / BT will mean that UK soccer will be too expensive for us to watch - but I doubt it.

If it's a 2-2 draw Italy are out. It's head to head record that counts. Spain and Croatia scored more goals in games involving Italy, Spain and Croatia so they'd go through.

Micky Dolenz · 16-06-2012 02:59PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I think we need to invoke the Granny Rule more stringently.

But some Grannies are young-ish and quite fit. It should be on a case by case basis. Grannies need lovin' too.

My name is URL · 16-06-2012 03:41PM

Ah both games are on at 19:45 tonight. What's that all about?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-06-2012 03:45PM

Last games of every group ar played simultaenouly to stop one team having an unfair advantage of knowing that they need. Read this. Get used to it 0 it'll be the same for all four groups.

My name is URL · 16-06-2012 03:49PM

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that.. seems logical.

Pherekydes · 16-06-2012 03:52PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Still not 100% sure of the maths but if it's a 2:2 draw between Spain and Croatia then Italy may need to beat us 4:0 to progress ?? (can anyone confirm this ?) so we aren't going to get a bye in the last game.

awec wrote: »

If it's a 2-2 draw Italy are out. It's head to head record that counts. Spain and Croatia scored more goals in games involving Italy, Spain and Croatia so they'd go through.

Croatia are +2 in goal difference, and Spain are +4, so Italy needs a +3 result against Ireland to progress in the event of a draw between Spain and Croatia.

BIG BAD JOHN · 16-06-2012 03:53PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Trap and the players are dressed appropriately anyway. Those black ties they're wearing makes them look like they in mourning and going to a funeral.

It is Bloomsday. Maybe they were going to Paddy Dignam's funeral.

Happyman42 · 16-06-2012 04:00PM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The mindset is just fine? I explained clearly in my last post why it is not. Do you think its normal to go to an Irish international matches wearing english club gear and incredibly having english club names embarrassingly emblazoned on tricolours?

Passion? Have you ever been to a domestic game? I could give you a hundred examples when the passion and atmosphere is better than at Lansdowne.

Oh yeah and the product is there.

Blaming the FAI is too easy.

Have a read of this:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3284/euro-2012/2012/06/15/3175112/inferior-tactics-inferior-technique-inferior-attitude-euro

Manuela is smokin:D

The same jealousy the average soccer head has for the success of GAA and Rugby.
It's staring you guys in the face, but you'll just continue to jeer honest support for the national side and play the blame game.
If you are a member of a LOI club then the state of the game is your fault, not the fault of those who want to support the National Team.
Getting over the fact that the marketing of the Premiership is always going to attract support from here might be a start. I can guarantee you that these same supporters have their GAA county teams, and clubs and shout loud when the Rugby team play on the international stage and would have no problem supporting a soccer club of it was of a sufficient standard.
What you need to do is get your share by offering equal product, marketing that product and stopping the jealous blame game. In other words....getting off your arse and doing something positive!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-06-2012 04:08PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

The same jealousy the average soccer head has for the success of GAA and Rugby.
It's staring you guys in the face, but you'll just continue to jeer honest support for the national side and play the blame game.
If you are a member of a LOI club then the state of the game is your fault, not the fault of those who want to support the National Team.
Getting over the fact that the marketing of the Premiership is always going to attract support from here might be a start. I can guarantee you that these same supporters have their GAA county teams, and clubs and shout loud when the Rugby team play on the international stage and would have no problem supporting a soccer club of it was of a sufficient standard.
What you need to do is get your share by offering equal product, marketing that product and stopping the jealous blame game. In other words....getting off your arse and doing something positive!

It's got absolutely nothign to do with GAA, Rugby, Beach Volleyball or any other sport. Now get down and take the horse back to the stable.

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