The ONLY After Hours thread about the European Championships.

_Gawd_ · 14-06-2012 10:00PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, he has to work with what he is given. But what he is given could be put to better use. If a baker knows how to make good bread with minimal ingredients he'll do it to the best of his ability. Trap is like a fella in his kitchen with a bag of flour and a glass of water.

It's better to find someone that can make use of the ingredients they have before thinking about buying a new kitchen.

We need to go back to the drawing board and take a line out of Charltons book ie. - Look throughout the world for anyone with even a hint of an Irish link.
There has to be great talent here with all the emigration there was into this country - get some of the Brazilians or Africans down to Malahide and to hell with these players way past their sell-by-date. Don't call them up again. Because a performance or talent level like that just will not be tolerated.

irishguitarlad · 14-06-2012 10:01PM

sorry I meant 100 percent:P

3rdDegree · 14-06-2012 10:05PM

Bad Panda wrote: »

3rdDegree wrote: »

We simply don't have the players. Doesn't matter who the manager is.

I don't blame the lads for tonight. They did their best, but Spain are just so superior to Ireland. It's hard for a small country like ours to compete. But we certainly do try and that is commendable.

With this kind of attitude we'd get nowhere.

Why can't we be as technically good as Spain? We're all human.

The real problem lies in grass roots football. It's too late for this generation of Irish players, but if things change at junior level, in 10 - 15 years, we'd have a team and fans that wouldn't accept a 4-0 defeat so easily.

I don't disagree with you. But for right now and the near future, we simply don't have the talent.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-06-2012 10:15PM

Nice to hear the singing. Most nations fans would have booed their team off the pitch after such an embarrassing drubbing.

seamus · 14-06-2012 10:16PM

Well for starters the FAI is still in need of serious reform as it has been for 50 years. The guys running the show care about nothing but creaming their big salaries while Irish football suffers a very poor domestic following and clubs go into receivership.

Poor International results only compounds this problem because Irish people stop taking domestic players seriously.

Get the local support for the domestic leagues and you'll see the quality of players shoot through the roof.

awec · 14-06-2012 10:16PM

3rdDegree wrote: »

I don't disagree with you. But for right now and the near future, we simply don't have the talent.

He's partly right though. Part of the problem is that Irish players are taught to play football the same way as young English players, as if the football is a hot potato that you aren't allowed to dwell on.

Spain may do slick passing, but they are not afraid to hold the ball and play with it themselves. Their "fun" style is encouraged from a young age. Slick passing is a by-product of this, where everyone is fluid and everyone wants the ball and is able to negotiate themselves out of even the tightest situation.

None of this "get it out wide and cross it in" or "hoof it up to the tallest guy to knock down" nonsense.

I imagine the youth teams at the likes of Barcelona are a completely different kettle of fish to the likes of the youth teams in England (where the best Irish players end up learning the game anyway).

Latchy · 14-06-2012 10:22PM

A fully fit Shay Given would have stopped some of those shots but the first goal ,when you saw 3 irish players look at a loose ball (when they they should have hoofed it away) was a sign of things to come and it was for the whole game , after 12 minutes the Irish team looked like they had already played 80 .

I was nice to see Duff run with the ball again and McGeady got a few shots in but overall the team never showed up tonight .

The ease at which the Irish gave the ball back to the Spanish was shocking and the Spanish strung something like 859 passes together in the game (the official record for a tournament ) tells it's own story

My name is URL · 14-06-2012 10:29PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5NvoWIMyBA

Result!

Irish fans.. top scorers of Euro 2012

RobbingBandit · 14-06-2012 10:38PM

The D4 Muppets.

SHOVELLER · 14-06-2012 10:39PM

A country that has no football culture or infrastructure and ignores its own league deserves nothing.

As for the fans being the best in the world dont make me laugh. Its very easy to go over to a major championship on the piss but why not support your own league?

A reality check tonight. Football in Ireland needs a complete makeover from top to bottom.

Trap did well to get us here.

irishguitarlad · 14-06-2012 10:41PM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

A country that has no football culture or infrastructure and ignores its own league deserves nothing.

As for the fans being the best in the world dont make me laugh. Its very easy to go over to a major championship on the piss but why not support your own league?

A reality check tonight. Football in Ireland needs a complete makeover from top to bottom.

Trap did well to get us here.

Dude I completely agree with you

DEFTLEFTHAND · 14-06-2012 10:45PM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

A country that has no football culture or infrastructure and ignores its own league deserves nothing.

As for the fans being the best in the world dont make me laugh. Its very easy to go over to a major championship on the piss but why not support your own league?

A reality check tonight. Football in Ireland needs a complete makeover from top to bottom.

Trap did well to get us here.

Well said, some very valid points there.

14-06-2012 10:55PM

I'm sick to the stomach

Can't believe we're going into Monday's match with nothing to play for

hondasam · 14-06-2012 10:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sick to the stomach
Can't believe we're going into Monday's match with nothing to play for

we will probably play well on Monday and possibly win.

Elmer Blooker · 14-06-2012 11:08PM

:mad: when it went 2-0 just after half time I took down my Euro '12 wall chart and tore it up into little pieces. I knew it was going to be 4, 5 or 6.
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Means Of Escape · 14-06-2012 11:18PM

Did anyone really think for one second that the Irish team as it stands would beat the WORLD Champions.The loss has nothing to do with Trapparoni as he can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.The team was an embarrassment to watch. It was like a secondary school soccer team taking on Premier League team.
Boot out Delaney. Get in new blood with vision who can push for more funding for local clubs.Tap the Lotto for more money to equip the clubs and start again.There are very talented youngsters out there.Don't doubt that for a minute.

Happyman42 · 14-06-2012 11:20PM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

A country that has no football culture or infrastructure and ignores its own league deserves nothing.

As for the fans being the best in the world dont make me laugh. Its very easy to go over to a major championship on the piss but why not support your own league?

A reality check tonight. Football in Ireland needs a complete makeover from top to bottom.

Trap did well to get us here.

Yes it does need a complete make-over. but the last thing that needs a make-over is the fan or supporter.
The bull**** arrogance that allows you to sneer at a supporter is the problem with 'football in Ireland'
If the LOI had the brains to call in somebody from the GAA or the IRFU and studied their structure they might have a chance at building a decent infrastructure themselves. I live in a town of 4 or 5 thousand people and the soccer club is still playing on an unlevel cow pasture and togging out in a lorry trailer. What kid wants to get involved in that tacky set up?
But of course they won't actually do anything to change things themselves, they just wait in the long grass to whinge at others when they get the chance. Usually when people praise the supporters they vainly crave.
Time for them to get off their arses and bring the game into the modern era.

Capt'n Midnight · 14-06-2012 11:20PM

hondasam wrote: »

we will probably play well on Monday and possibly win.

Italy need to win.

This will give them 5 points.

But if Spain and Croatia also draw then they too will be on 5 pints. And Croatia have already drawn with Italy and are on +2 goal difference.

So it looks like Italy will need to win by at least three goals to be sure of booking their place.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012#Group_stage

14-06-2012 11:20PM

Embarrassment me arse. Yes, world champions, and we played as well as we could have expected against such a fantastic side.

Pottler · 14-06-2012 11:24PM

Really good losers tbf, but like they say, show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. Might have performed better if they were sh1te losers who would rather die than lose, a bit more like Roy and less like Robbie.. If the fans booed them off as loud as they sang them off there might be a real call for change. BIL is a very well respected scout for a premiership team here in Ireland and has nothing but criticism for the FAI and Delaney. Time for a change but it won't come when Delaney can say "ah sure we did our best and the fans left happy.."

IrishAm · 14-06-2012 11:27PM

me bolly wrote: »

There are very talented youngsters out there.Don't doubt that for a minute.

That there is, but its pure raw talent. We do not have the training facilities in this country to further develop that talent and the top schoolboy teams main aim is to get their talented players with a club in the UK, not to turn them into top players.

The training facilities and standard of coaching in this country are still in the stone age compared to on the continent. I played with some of Dublins top schoolboy teams up until the early 00s and we were told that when we tip off, to launch the ball towards to oppositions corner flag and put pressure on them, instead of trying to keep possession. Pure hoof ball stuff.

Where as in Spain, Germany, Czech Rep, Holland etc. they focus on control, how to keep possession of the ball and mastering the basic skills.

As we saw tonight, raw skill and heart can only get you so far.

Heres a clip of the Irish fans from German TV- Quality stuff.

starbelgrade · 14-06-2012 11:38PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, he has to work with what he is given. But what he is given could be put to better use. If a baker knows how to make good bread with minimal ingredients he'll do it to the best of his ability. Trap is like a fella in his kitchen with a bag of flour and a glass of water.

It's better to find someone that can make use of the ingredients they have before thinking about buying a new kitchen.

Trappatoni is one of the most respected managers in the world... and for good reason. His list of honours is incredible... including being the only manager in the world who has won every single international UEFA club competition and he's one of the few list of managers who has won league titles in four different countries.

The fact that he is Trapattoni is a manager of impeccable calibre is indisputable.

The fact that we were beaten in two games by two better teams - one of them the best international team in the world - is hardly a surprise. In club terms, it was Sunderland vs Barcelona.

Not even Trap could change that fact. You can talk about kitchens and bakers all night long, but when it comes down to it, you can't polish a turd.

IrishAm · 14-06-2012 11:41PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Not even Trap could change that fact. You can talk about kitchens and bakers all night long, but when it comes down to it, you can't polish a turd.

Even with Ireland's top eleven players of all time and in their prime at his disposal, the Spaniards would still have dominated. They were that good.

Some people need a dose of reality.

starbelgrade · 14-06-2012 11:46PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Even with Ireland's top eleven players of all time and in their prime at his disposal, the Spaniards would still have dominated. They were that good.

Some people need a dose of reality.

So you're saying that any decent team would find it hard to beat Spain... possibly one of the best teams to ever play international football?

Well, fuck me. Thanks for clearing that up. That was a well needed dose of reality.

IrishAm · 14-06-2012 11:47PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Well, fuck me. Thanks for clearing that up. That was a well needed dose of reality.

That wasn't aimed at you. Just a general remark in relation to people freaking out over the result.

K-9 · 14-06-2012 11:47PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Trappatoni is one of the most respected managers in the world... and for good reason. His list of honours is incredible... including being the only manager in the world who has won every single international UEFA club competition and he's one of the few list of managers who has won league titles in four different countries.

The fact that he is Trapattoni is a manager of impeccable calibre is indisputable.

The fact that we were beaten in two games by two better teams - one of them the best international team in the world - is hardly a surprise. In club terms, it was Sunderland vs Barcelona.

Not even Trap could change that fact. You can talk about kitchens and bakers all night long, but when it comes down to it, you can't polish a turd.

As Chelsea and Inter showed, the only way you can beat this style is blanket defence, riding your luck, hoping they have an off day and taking the couple of chances you get. We don't have the talent like those, even with arguments about Trap. Barcelona made fools of Man United last year FFS!

I've seen plenty of teams who are good at passing, maybe not as good at Spain, but damn good at it, but they didn't have the same attitude off the ball, look at the second Torres goal as a perfect example. They lost the ball, immediately go on he offensive, get it back and on top of that Torres anticipates it.

This is the best international team I've seen since I started watching football in 1984 and they'll prove it by winning 3 international tournaments in a row, the first team to do it. Torres is back on form and that was my only doubt about them.

THey've married total Dutch football with put em under pressure!

Latchy · 14-06-2012 11:49PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Even with Ireland's top eleven players of all time and in their prime at his disposal, the Spaniards would still have dominated. They were that good.
Some people need a dose of reality.

Yes they were that good ,of that there is no disputing but when you play against a team as bad as Ireland were tonight ...your only gonna be made look that much better .

14-06-2012 11:49PM

IrishAm wrote: »

That wasn't aimed at you. Just a general remark in relation to people freaking out over the result.

I don't know if people are freaking out about the result of tonight's game (maybe I'm wrong?). I think people are just surprised that we may well leave with zero points.

starbelgrade · 14-06-2012 11:50PM

IrishAm wrote: »

That wasn't aimed at you. Just a general remark in relation to people freaking out over the result.

Apologies!

Dyr · 14-06-2012 11:54PM

Lets not get carried away with the grass roots rebuilding here, I don't want to see our young sporting talent being diverted away from the GAA and squandered by the FAI.

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