General Practitioners are overpaid?

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:01PM #1

Why are these people so grossly overpaid? Notwithstanding the fact that alot of GP's are a product of the corporate money making field of general medicine, where research is corrupted through the influence of shady corporations intent on managing conditions, not cures, some also tend to exhibit a god complex.

Medical Research is by it's very nature, not a pure natural science. Am I on to something here, or just plain crazy? I don't understand the craze for medical places in this country. It's not the most important field by any means

Medical Research is still by and large in the dark ages. Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

MagicMarker · 14-06-2012 09:02PM

Oh dear, one of the nuts from the conspiracy theory forum has escaped...

The King of Moo · 14-06-2012 09:03PM

The bankers have turned against the GP's!!
The Revolution's started!!

*grabs plank with nail in it and runs out door*

biko · 14-06-2012 09:03PM

How much are they paid?
How much do you think they deserve OP?

genericguy · 14-06-2012 09:04PM

thebankers wrote: »

Why are these people so grossly overpaid? Notwithstanding the fact that alot of GP's are a product of the corporate money making field of general medicine, where research is corrupted through the influence of shady corporations intent on managing conditions, not cures, some also tend to exhibit a god complex.

Medical Research is by it's very nature, not a pure natural science. Am I on to something here, or just plain crazy? I don't understand the craze for medical places in this country. It's not the most important field by any means Medical Research is still by and large in the dark ages. Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

Seriously, the people who make decisions pertaining to the health of people should not be well paid? **** off.

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:04PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Oh dear, one of the nuts from the conspiracy theory forum has escaped...

It's not really a conspiracy though. Loads of books have been written on this topic. By and large, not by conspiracy theorists:)

MagicMarker · 14-06-2012 09:05PM

thebankers wrote: »

It's not really a conspiracy though. Loads of books have been written on this topic. By and large, not by conspiracy theorists:)

Name 54 of them.

Almaviva · 14-06-2012 09:06PM

GPs, whether overpaid or not, do contribute something useful to society by helping the ill.
Bankers on the other hand...

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:07PM

biko wrote: »

How much are they paid?
How much do you think they deserve OP?

50 euro for a 5 min consultation. No tests, just a glance. That is a joke. There should be laws clamping down on this sort of thing. Engineers save lives too, just in an indirect manner. Engineers and Biological Researchers save lives too, yet aren't always paid as much.

flutterflye · 14-06-2012 09:07PM

I've only ever found 1 gp that I thought was in any way decent.
Most of them don't seem to have much of a clue at all really.
I have no idea how much they are paid, but I bet it's way more than they're worth.

The King of Moo · 14-06-2012 09:09PM

thebankers wrote: »

50 euro for a 5 min consultation. No tests, just a glance. That is a joke. There should be laws clamping down on this sort of thing. Engineers save lives too, just in an indirect manner. Engineers and Biological Researchers save lives too, yet aren't always paid as much.

I save countless lives, indirectly, by cycling to work every day.

Please give me lots of money. You can PM me your bank details if you like.

amtw · 14-06-2012 09:09PM

Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.[/QUOTE]

Why?

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:11PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Name 54 of them.

Not a chance, but here is a very good book on the matter. Starts off with the real breakthroughs in medicine during the late 18th, and early 19th century. It's indisputable to deny the effects of corporate greed on this speciality. Thats not to say there aren't good caring Doctors out there.

It's written by a "real" doctor btw.

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:15PM

amtw wrote: »

Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

Why?[/QUOTE]

Medicine cannot exist without Mathematics, therefore any profits derived from medical research, should in theory be paid back to people who developed the theories which underly the application of the applied medical research.

Fair?

af_thefragile · 14-06-2012 09:16PM

No. They are not.

They spent 5-6 hard years in med school learning how to be a good doctor so that when you fall ill, they know what to do and when something is serious and you need to see a specialist and when something is not serious and you just need to sit tight and wait for it to go away and when you need to be rushed into AnE!

Can anyone else do that? No!
Can you live without your GP? No!

And yes, 5mins is all a good GP needs. It doesn't take much for a trained GP to diagnose what's wrong with you and what needs to be done.
There are other people he needs to see too. Many of whom have more serious problems and hence the GP needs to use his time properly so that he can see all the people who're waiting outside to be seen.

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:17PM

genericguy wrote: »

Seriously, the people who make decisions pertaining to the health of people should not be well paid? **** off.

It's the businessmen and the pen pushers that make the most important decision of all...will the treatment go ahead?

January · 14-06-2012 09:29PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

No. They are not.

They spent 5-6 hard years in med school learning how to be a good doctor so that when you fall ill, they know what to do and when something is serious and you need to see a specialist and when something is not serious and you just need to sit tight and wait for it to go away and when you need to be rushed into AnE!

Can anyone else do that? No!
Can you live without your GP? No!

And yes, 5mins is all a good GP needs. It doesn't take much for a trained GP to diagnose what's wrong with you and what needs to be done.
There are other people he needs to see too. Many of whom have more serious problems and hence the GP needs to use his time properly so that he can see all the people who're waiting outside to be seen.

Yeah, give you a wide range antibiotic such as amoxicillin.

Mr.Wemmick · 14-06-2012 09:29PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

No. They are not.

They spent 5-6 hard years in med school learning how to be a good doctor so that when you fall ill, they know what to do and when something is serious and you need to see a specialist and when something is not serious and you just need to sit tight and wait for it to go away and when you need to be rushed into AnE!

Can anyone else do that? No!
Can you live without your GP? No!

And yes, 5mins is all a good GP needs. It doesn't take much for a trained GP to diagnose what's wrong with you and what needs to be done.
There are other people he needs to see too. Many of whom have more serious problems and hence the GP needs to use his time properly so that he can see all the people who're waiting outside to be seen.

..and when they get it wrong, do you get your 50 euro back?

Or do you have to pay another 50 euro when you go back to tell them:

"Nope, wasn't what you said it was. I'm still sick"

:rolleyes:

Frank Black · 14-06-2012 09:30PM

I have a friend who's a GP.
She took out a large loan to buy her way into a practice.
Could only take 4 months maternity leave when she had a baby.
Is on call every second weekend and a few evenings during the week.
Has to regularly attend Continuing professional Development lectures in her 'time off'.
Studied hard in school to get into college and then really hard when she got to college.
And has to make important decisions every day which potentially affect people's lives.
I don't envy her, nor begrudge the relativly high salary she gets.

I wouldn't swap with her anyway.

amtw · 14-06-2012 09:31PM

thebankers wrote: »

Why?

Medicine cannot exist without Mathematics, therefore any profits derived from medical research, should in theory be paid back to people who developed the theories which underly the application of the applied medical research.

Fair?[/QUOTE]

Medicine in a vacumn is worthless, it is only when it is made accessible to people that it is of value. Yes, those who do the research should be paid their worth but so also should those who interpret (GPs) that research for others.

theg81der · 14-06-2012 09:32PM

Never had a problem properly diagnosed and treated by a gp so I don`t rate them apart from as very bad psychologists because all they seem to say to a lot of women is that they are suffering from stress before they do basic things like bloods

. There an obsticle you need to get through to access treatment or drugs - thats it!

af_thefragile · 14-06-2012 09:33PM

January wrote: »

Yeah, give you a wide range antibiotic such as amoxicillin.

Nope, you can't anymore. Antibiotics are only for when its really really necessary. Because all the people are popping antibiotics like MnMs and the bacteriae are all getting like pffft, its that same penicillin crap again, pull out your defence shields! And antibiotic resistance is increasing quite staggeringly.

Also they do a wee bit more than just prescribe antibiotics. Its just majority of people come in with cough or cold and are impatient to just sit it out and become happy and satisfied when they get some pills... Because of ethical reasons the docs can't just prescribe them vitamin pills saying they'll cure the cough/cold so they have to end up giving them the amoxicillin.

af_thefragile · 14-06-2012 09:35PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

..and when they get it wrong, do you get your 50 euro back?

Or do you have to pay another 50 euro when you go back to tell them:

"Nope, wasn't what you said it was. I'm still sick"

:rolleyes:

And so should they charge you more if what you thought was a bit of constipation turned out to be colon cancer and hence your GP saved your life by diagnosing your cancer early before it could have become really serious??

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:36PM

And yet Medicine is not a pure Science. Medicine is more akin to an Art than they would like you to believe. We are in the 21st century and can't even regrow limbs ffs!!! If less money was pumped into management of diabetes and more into research for a cure, that would be a start. Big companies are against this for obvious reasons.

Ultimately, GP's don't save lives. Biological Research does. Research is paramount and deserves more money.

af_thefragile · 14-06-2012 09:37PM

thebankers wrote: »

And yet Medicine is not a pure Science. Medicine is more akin to an Art than they would like you to believe. We are in the 21st century and can't even regrow limbs ffs!!! If less money was pumped into management of diabetes and more into research for a cure, that would be a start. Big companies are against this for obvious reasons.

Ultimately, Doctors don't save lives. Biological Research does.

Well a lot more people have diabetes than those who need a new limb... Also most people end up being fairly happy with an artificial limb.

Its like why do we now have 70" HD LED TVs with internet and crap but still can't cure all cancers? Its because more people spend money to buy TVs than they do to find a cure for cancer!

amtw · 14-06-2012 09:41PM

thebankers wrote: »

And yet Medicine is not a pure Science. Medicine is more akin to an Art than they would like you to believe. We are in the 21st century and can't even regrow limbs ffs!!! If less money was pumped into management of diabetes and more into research for a cure, that would be a start. Big companies are against this for obvious reasons.

Ultimately, GP's don't save lives. Biological Research does. Research is paramount and deserves more money.

Again without someone to interpret that research it is useless for the general populace who don't have the knowledge or training to know what applies to them.

thebankers · 14-06-2012 09:42PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Well a lot more people have diabetes than those who need a new limb... Also most people end up being fairly happy with an artificial limb.

If humans can split the atom, surely to god a cure for diabetes should be within reach? With enough time and money, this condition could be resigned to the dustbin. Insulin is a lucrative business at the moment though.

Part of me wonders if the food companies and others collude with each other to pump their products full of diabetes inducing crap, which benefits both parties through mutual interests. There is no justification for the amount of suger in the crap they process these days.

mauzo · 14-06-2012 09:47PM

Eh, anyone who freezes off my brothers skin tags deserves the euromillions...

mattjack · 14-06-2012 09:48PM

thebankers wrote: »

Why are these people so grossly overpaid? Notwithstanding the fact that alot of GP's are a product of the corporate money making field of general medicine, where research is corrupted through the influence of shady corporations intent on managing conditions, not cures, some also tend to exhibit a god complex.

Medical Research is by it's very nature, not a pure natural science. Am I on to something here, or just plain crazy? I don't understand the craze for medical places in this country. It's not the most important field by any means Medical Research is still by and large in the dark ages. Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

Look what I found ? someone's not a happy little banker.

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Terry · 14-06-2012 09:53PM

thebankers wrote: »

Why are these people so grossly overpaid? Notwithstanding the fact that alot of GP's are a product of the corporate money making field of general medicine, where research is corrupted through the influence of shady corporations intent on managing conditions, not cures, some also tend to exhibit a god complex.

Medical Research is by it's very nature, not a pure natural science. Am I on to something here, or just plain crazy? I don't understand the craze for medical places in this country. It's not the most important field by any means Medical Research is still by and large in the dark ages. Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

You (and your ilk) are one of the main reasons I miss being a mod.

I used to get great pleasure out of finding out which conspiracy theorist you were (are).

It was like detective work, but without having to leave the house.
All you have to do is click a few links and there you are.

Yeah, the tenses are mixed up there, but I understand my post and that's all that matters.

Either way, you need more fluoride in your water. Wooooooooo!

Dwellingdweller · 14-06-2012 09:58PM

mattjack wrote: »

Look what I found ? someone's not a happy little banker.

Seems like he's trying to educate himself on a medical topic in a pretty friendly, polite manner. No need for the sarcasm like. Especially when his GP wouldn't answer what is probably a simple enough medical question.

General Practitioners are overpaid?

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