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Prometheus *SPOILERS FROM POST 1538*

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  • #1922
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,679 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    jcsoulinger wrote: »
    Are we sure he done the deed?

    It was made pretty obvious in the film that they did. "My quaters in 10 minutes"


  • #1923
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,679 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    al28283 wrote: »
    was he the guy with the mohawk who showed up at the ship with his legs all bent out and crawling like a crab? That was just stupid, really stupid

    Yea it was ridiculous. But the guy I'm on about was pete vs life.


  • #1924
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    BarackPyjama wrote: »
    I'm sure Captain Janek would have found out?

    Lambert and Ripley discuss whether or not they've slept with Ash in Alien. Did either admit that they did?

    Maybe they are anatomically correct. Remember that Dave explained that they are programmed to mimic human behaviour regardless, e.g. Dave puts on the space suit despite not needing it.


  • #1925
    Mickeroo
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    Dempsey wrote: »
    Lambert and Ripley discuss whether or not they've slept with Ash in Alien. Did either admit that they did?

    Maybe they are anatomically correct. Remember that Dave explained that they are programmed to mimic human behaviour regardless, e.g. Dave puts on the space suit despite not needing it.

    A big leap from putting on a spacesuit to make folks feel comfortable to being programmed to give a good rogering to someone.


  • #1926
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Lambert and Ripley discuss whether or not they've slept with Ash in Alien. Did either admit that they did?

    Maybe they are anatomically correct. Remember that Dave explained that they are programmed to mimic human behaviour regardless, e.g. Dave puts on the space suit despite not needing it.

    Dave also does that cool thing where he plays basketball on a bike, and Bishop did the whole hand/knife thing which means androids definately have super spatial awareness and reactions. Vickers did not


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  • #1927
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    A big leap from putting on a spacesuit to make folks feel comfortable to being programmed to give a good rogering to someone.

    I believe that's been a standard of sci-fi ever since the pleasure bots in Bladerunner or when Data ****ed Tasha Yarr


  • #1928
    niallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭niallon


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    They found his corpse and the snake jumped out of his mouth at the scottish one, I think they legged it then when the **** started hitting the fan then which is why his body never made it back to the ship.

    Yup I've realised after your post, Fitfield wasn't there, it was Millburn. Still though, I thought Millburn's attack was going to be the turning point, where things would get "Alien" but in the end he lived, and died, simply to make a Scottish woman wee herself a little. Annoyed me!


  • #1929
    jcsoulinger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭jcsoulinger


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    It was made pretty obvious in the film that they did. "My quaters in 10 minutes"

    Its only pretty obvious that a proposition was made.


  • #1930
    Mickeroo
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    jcsoulinger wrote: »
    Its only pretty obvious that a proposition was made.

    The whole them getting it on was a plot device for the captain to leave the bridge while things started going bad in the temple.


  • #1931
    jcsoulinger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭jcsoulinger


    al28283 wrote: »
    Dave also does that cool thing where he plays basketball on a bike, and Bishop did the whole hand/knife thing which means androids definately have super spatial awareness and reactions. Vickers did not

    If she showed these abilities it would become obvious she is a droid once this was discovered it would make her vulnerable and or expendable.


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  • #1932
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,679 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    jcsoulinger wrote: »
    If she showed these abilities it would become obvious she is a droid once this was discovered it would make her vulnerable and or expendable.

    Even when the spaceship was falling on her?


  • #1933
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    jcsoulinger wrote: »
    If she showed these abilities it would become obvious she is a droid once this was discovered it would make her vulnerable and or expendable.

    Not at the moment of her death! An android would be able to calculate the best way to run to avoid the big bad fally spaceship, and wouldn't have shown so much fear. Shaw was able to avoid it by rolling slightly to the left so surely a super advanced robot could have figured it out, with or without blowing her cover, it wouldn't have mattered at that stage


  • #1934
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    al28283 wrote: »
    Dave also does that cool thing where he plays basketball on a bike, and Bishop did the whole hand/knife thing which means androids definately have super spatial awareness and reactions. Vickers did not

    Dave had his head ripped off, where was his super spatial awareness and reactions then! :pac:

    She could have been programmed not to show super spatial awareness and reactions and be limited to reaction times consistent with humans. Dave clearly seemed to be going off on a tangent to his orginal programming, why not Vickers?

    Look, i'm just providing a counter argument for discussion.

    I do remember her sweating whilst doing the pushups, robots dont have this trait AFAIK unless she is a completely different design. I believe the attempt at ambiguity was pointless, there was no point to her character being like that. It would have been better and kept in line with the story if she was just uncompromising of the rules and ensuring that Weyland had their money well spent and were going to get a tangible return on their investment. She didnt need to be standing in the dark in random corridors and other oddball behaviour.


  • #1935
    Eggy Baby!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Eggy Baby!


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    The whole them getting it on was a plot device for the captain to leave the bridge while things started going bad in the temple.

    Was the complex a temple or a military/secret weapons base?

    I always thought that the huge head in the main area was rather like how the Soviets put busts of Lenin etc. in public buildings- maybe that giant head is of an Engineer leader? Also why is a xenomorph represented on the wall mural? Maybe the xenomorphs are the nemesi of the Engineers? The carvings kinda looked like war propaganda.


  • #1936
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Dave had his head ripped off, where was his super spatial awareness and reactions then! :pac:

    Look, i'm just providing a counter argument for discussion. I do remember her sweating whilst doing the pushups, robots dont have this trait AFAIK. I believe the attempt at ambiguity was pointless, there was no point to her character being like that. It would have been better and kept in line with the story if she was just uncompromising of the rules and ensuring that Weyland had their money well spent and were going to get a tangible return on their investment. She didnt need to be standing in the dark in random corridors and other oddball behaviour

    Agreed, there was so much about this movie that was unneccessary.
    Most of the crew, did we ever even see all 17 of them? I cant rememebr seeing the 2 pilot guys until they were cheering that were going to die.
    Vickers being Weyland's daughter, so what? It didn't add a thing to the movie.

    And then there were those shots at the beginning were they were sending some video message to somebody but got no respinse, what was that about?

    Oh and the whole thing about Shaw not being able to have a kid and then having an alien kid. That was stupid.

    The way David told her she had an alien thing inside her, stupid.


  • #1937
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Eggy Baby! wrote: »
    why is a xenomorph represented on the wall mural?.

    Why is there a giant 4 toed statue on the island in Lost?


  • #1938
    jcsoulinger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭jcsoulinger


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    The whole them getting it on was a plot device for the captain to leave the bridge while things started going bad in the temple.

    That does make sense, where else would he be?,,,,although there was a basket ball on board:eek:


  • #1939
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    jcsoulinger wrote: »
    That does make sense, where else would he be?,,,,although there was a basket ball on board:eek:
    http://gifs.gifbin.com/sw50sw8sw578.gif


  • #1940
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    A big leap from putting on a spacesuit to make folks feel comfortable to being programmed to give a good rogering to someone.

    The idea was dropped in the original Alien film though
    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Even when the spaceship was falling on her?

    Dave is self aware that he is robot, Vickers could be designed and programmed completely different.

    Did any of the other humans do exercises when they woke up from hyper sleep? I cant remember. Do you see Vickers being woken from hyper sleep?


  • #1941
    jcsoulinger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭jcsoulinger


    al28283 wrote: »
    Not at the moment of her death! An android would be able to calculate the best way to run to avoid the big bad fally spaceship, and wouldn't have shown so much fear. Shaw was able to avoid it by rolling slightly to the left so surely a super advanced robot could have figured it out, with or without blowing her cover, it wouldn't have mattered at that stage

    just guessing but she may not react like other bots because shes not like other bots, she thinks shes human


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  • #1942
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Dempsey wrote: »

    Dave is self aware that he is robot, Vickers could be designed and programmed completely different.

    Did any of the humans do exercises when they woke up from hyper sleep? I cant remember

    No, but in a movie like this it is more likely that Vickers doing pressups was more to show something about her character. That she's tough.

    I kinda half feel that Scott wanted us to think she was the Ripley of this movie and throughout we realise she's a bitch, and her death was meant to be a big payoff where the audienece cheers or something.

    I do agree that if she is a bot she didn't know. But then ultimately what is the point. If she is a robot and nobody knows she is and she doesnt act like it then does it really make any difference?
    It's like saying Frodo was the son of an orc in LOTR but it just never came up.


  • #1943
    Mickeroo
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    Dempsey wrote: »
    The idea was dropped in the original Alien film though



    Dave is self aware that he is robot, Vickers could be designed and programmed completely different.

    Did any of the humans do exercises when they woke up from hyper sleep? I cant remember

    I had forgotten that about Ash actually. I'm still not convinced Vickers was an android though. Although someone did mention its possible a rescue crew will find her body in the next movie and switch her on to find out what happened, thats the only way her death in this film would make any sort of sense. It felt pointless to go to the trouble of having her escape prometheus only to be crushed like that, they could have at least had her killed by the tentacle monster rather than the engineer coming after them.


  • #1944
    indough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    maybe the space jockey was an android too. he did a bit of exercising after he woke up after all


  • #1945
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    It felt pointless to go to the trouble of having her escape prometheus only to be crushed like that

    Unless Scott really thought the audience would actively hate enough that her death would be a big payoff, something we wanted to see.

    You have to remember that the movie was made a year or 2 before any trailers or anything came out so at that point it's possible for a director to believe he can get away witht that kinda ****.


  • #1946
    jcsoulinger
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    Oh yeah why didnt vickers eject inside her pod instead of a half mile away?


  • #1947
    niallon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭niallon


    For the love of God, she wasn't an android, that's what Lindelof wants you to think, don't encourage the over hyped bell end!

    Also looking for an explanation of the Xenomorph on the wall here. Lindelof said in an interview that himself and Scott discussed at length how much they would and wouldn't explain in the film so as that if there was no sequel, enough was explained to satisfy the viewer and that if a sequel happened, there was loose ends to tie up. How, Damon, does this Xenomorph representation, presumably appearing before the Xeno ever even did, not count as one of the need to be explained elements.


  • #1948
    Dempsey
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    al28283 wrote: »
    No, but in a movie like this it is more likely that Vickers doing pressups was more to show something about her character. That she's tough.

    I kinda half feel that Scott wanted us to think she was the Ripley of this movie and throughout we realise she's a bitch, and her death was meant to be a big payoff where the audienece cheers or something.

    Why was dave exercising on the bike and basically testing his hand eye coordination with the basketball? Is it something robots need to do or is it just the robot mimicking human behaviour when he is obviously idle between tasks.


  • #1949
    jcsoulinger
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    al28283 wrote: »

    I do agree that if she is a bot she didn't know. But then ultimately what is the point. If she is a robot and nobody knows she is and she doesnt act like it then does it really make any difference?
    It's like saying Frodo was the son of an orc in LOTR but it just never came up.

    it could be an OMFingG moment in a sequel


  • #1950
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    niallon wrote: »
    For the love of God, she wasn't an android, that's what Lindelof wants you to think, don't encourage the over hyped bell end!

    i disagree, I think the scene where Janek asks if she was a robot was Lindelof's poor attempt to dismiss the idea that she was a bot. I think he wrote that bit in and thought the matter was dealt with. Or maybe the studio felt there was some confusion around her so wanted a scene to clarify that she wasn't so they threw that in. But i definatley think that was the idea for that scene


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  • #1951
    jcsoulinger
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    al28283 wrote: »

    The way David told her she had an alien thing inside her, stupid.

    I thought that was funny, David saying "your not pregnant in the traditional sense" in a completely deadpan expression like he was a robot or somthing:rolleyes:


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