Prometheus *SPOILERS FROM POST 1538*

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm guessing its becuase you insinuated, clearly by accident, that Aliens & Prometheus had the same director.

Where in my post do I insinuate that ? and would it have made a blind bit of difference if I did , regardless of director they would still be sci fi films set in the same universe , so a qualitative comparison would still be valid.

just watched the guy pirce ted talk again and in Retrospect after seeing the film, it is interesting, he says we can create so much including androids that look just like us, so in a way "we are the Gods now". This again goes back to the reason why I said that the Engineer gets so angry with discovering David is an Android. I am sure the Engineers are arrogant and see them selves as the Gods of the Universe.

Ok.......so, ok

First off, I should point out that I feel Kingdom of the Crystal Skulled by this flick. Scott said they were preferencing practical effects over CGI. So did Spielberg. A plot synopsis leaked on this and seemed too crap to be true but it was. So was Crystal Skull. My feeling of KotCS-ness was solidified immediately with Prometheus when I saw the horrendously CGI washed Engineer at the beginning (yes I know that they were played by actors, but they seem to have had the same CGI sheen to them as Brandon Routh in Superman Returns and it p**sed me right off). This was Spielberg's fcuking gopher all over again!

So what was so bad about it? Well, just like KotCS, Prometheus just tries too damn hard. It tries too hard to not be a direct lead up to Alien and in doing so trips over itself multiple times. How much cooler would it have been if it was set on LV426 and the final shot was the Space Jockey sat in the cockpit when a proper Xenomorph bursts out of his chest? This then goes on to become the Queen that produces the eggs one of which produces the Facehugger that gets Kane, end of story. The drive for franchise and sequels killed this movie, much like it did KotCS where there had to be a replacement included, just in case, and that ridiculously cheesy ending had to be thrown in too.

Some things in particular that bother me about the movie:

- The opening. Yes, I understood it perfectly. What I didn't understand is how it was anything more than a fancy visual. I'd have gladly accepted some of the woeful exposition in the film being used for this purpose.

- The pacing. All. Over. The. Place. One minute, we're going the suspenseful route with the questions and the puzzled look on everyone's faces. Next, people are infected and stuff, cool. Next, out of nowhere, Noomi Rapace is going backstreet on herself whilst David has turned homicidal in the space of a scene transition. Theron hasn't changed at all, and then we get puzzled and suspenseful again quite suddenly when the ridiculous looking Guy Pearce enters the picture again. But then we get all actiony again when the Space Jockey gets pissed. Then we have the runaway bike wheel from space. Then we get quiet again. Then we get the most ludicrous scene in the film with the giant squid raping the Jockey. Then quiet again. Then, arg! The film hadn't a clue what it wanted to be!
- Mr. Biologist (who clearly got his degree by mail order.....on a napkin). Did I miss something? He got snaked, they went back into the ship, am I right in saying he just didn't appear after? Shouldn't he have birthed a creature? Shouldn't that creature have become an antagonist for the main cast given how much time was dedicated to him getting attacked in the first place? No, instead we get red head Turok showing up at the ship horrifically randomly and initiating a horrendously OTT action scene, that also disappears into nothing like most of the other tone shifters in the film.
- Finally what annoyed me the most, the lack of cohesion with the rest of the series. As with most prequels, VFX and technology have advanced to a point that the original looks horribly dated within the movie's universe. I would have much preferred Scott to say "What you saw in Alien/Aliens, that's the future tech of this universe" so then there'd be no 2089 iPad for David, no wonder cube for Holloway, no wonder med tube for Vickers and above all else, everything wouldn't look so goddam digital!! It's like the Star Wars prequels where nothing sits comfortably visually with the original trilogy, until the last five minutes of Episode 3 when Lucas made everything look like it was made from egg cartons again.

As a movie, Prometheus didn't bother me, it was entertaining for sure, better than everything Scott has done since Gladiator. But given the film that it is, Alien fans such as myself are going to have a second opinion on it and this is mine. As a movie, it's great. As the prequel/same universe different movie/who gives a shít anymore it is supposed to be, it disappoints.

niallon wrote: »

- Mr. Biologist (who clearly got his degree by mail order.....on a napkin). Did I miss something? He got snaked, they went back into the ship, am I right in saying he just didn't appear after? Shouldn't he have birthed a creature? Shouldn't that creature have become an antagonist for the main cast given how much time was dedicated to him getting attacked in the first place? No, instead we get red head Turok showing up at the ship horrifically randomly and initiating a horrendously OTT action scene, that also disappears into nothing like most of the other tone shifters in the film.

I believe that was the geologist Fitfield as evidenced by this picture

niallon wrote: »

- Finally what annoyed me the most, the lack of cohesion with the rest of the series. As with most prequels, VFX and technology have advanced to a point that the original looks horribly dated within the movie's universe. I would have much preferred Scott to say "What you saw in Alien/Aliens, that's the future tech of this universe" so then there'd be no 2089 iPad for David, no wonder cube for Holloway, no wonder med tube for Vickers and above all else, everything wouldn't look so goddam digital!! It's like the Star Wars prequels where nothing sits comfortably visually with the original trilogy, until the last five minutes of Episode 3 when Lucas made everything look like it was made from egg cartons again.

The way I rationalized the difference in tech was that the nostromo being basically a cargo ship was entirely utilitarian whereas the Prometheus was a ship of discovery tricked out with the latest tech .

I just saw it for the second time..brought my nephew. I was less cynical and actually enjoyed it more knowing the outcome. The alien biology made more sense when I wasn't wondering why characters were a but off....in fact the whole thing felt more coherent. Definetly think vickers is a bot and facebender deserves an Oscar. I've gone from a 6 to 9/10. Lots if ideas in this thread rang true..over the plotholes..

PhiloCypher wrote: »

I believe that was the geologist Fitfield as evidenced by this picture

No I knew who it was at the ship, what annoys me is that Mr.Biologist (Millburn, thank you IMDB) was the main target for this films Kane-like impregnation. Fitfield got burned then clearly got targeted. I dunno how to describe it, I just felt that the more natural progression given the film's mythology would have been for something to come from Mullburn being attacked, and have that thing be what caused the havoc at the ship, would've flowed much better in my book. Might be just me but his whole attack seemed to serve nothing in the long run, just to kill an already insignificant character.

The way I rationalized the difference in tech was that the nostromo being basically a cargo ship was entirely utilitarian whereas the Prometheus was a ship of discovery tricked out with the latest tech .

I'd agree, if it weren't for Aliens. The military have what can best be described as Atari monitors. Surely they would've been teched out

The way I see this film is: Religion + aliens + sex + racism + formulaic approach to movie making + fans of alien = reaction. Creationism amongst sci fi fans always sparks discussion about creation.

What more can you expect from a manipulative writer who plays with such contempt as he has done with previous franchises such as LOST.

al28283 wrote: »

Nothing about Vickers being an android makes sense to me, she got angry, she got hurt, she made stupid decisions where an android wouldn't i.e to avoid being killed she simply had to run left instead of straight ahead.
Also she did seem to fear death in those last moments when no other android in the series seemed to care.

If she is a bot then she is an extremely badly written bot

I think she is a droid who may be programmed to believe she is human, Her protocol is 1 stay alive at all costs, 2 collect information this way the company has a better chance of finding out exactly what went on, Shes like the sexiest black box ever:)

al28283 wrote: »

Well the rest of the script was **** so maybe that's true. It wouldn't make any sense in any decent movie, never mind a series of movies

The question if something makes sense or not is subjective, I really hope im making sense:)

BarackPyjama wrote: »

I'm sure Captain Janek would have found out?

Are we sure he done the deed?