conscription in ireland?

fianna saor · 08-06-2012 04:26PM #1

would it be that bad an idea for mandatory army/navy etc service for a period in ireland? it seems that the younger generation have a lack of discipline and a poor attitude to a large extent. surely a term in the forces would go some way to rectifying that not to mention the overall benefit towards health and fitness etc. i know there is an argument that we dont need a lot of personnel in the forces but we could increase the likes of the peace keeping missions and a larger naval service could possibly be used to patrol more of our waters to reduce some of the illegal drug shipments that enter our country not to mention border control.

FatherLen · 08-06-2012 04:27PM

yeah, it's a touchy one but i think i would be for it.

davet82 · 08-06-2012 04:29PM

yeah they should be made do it, mainly because i'm not the younger generation anymore and wouldnt have to do it so fcuk 'em

Shenshen · 08-06-2012 04:31PM

While most people would probably get through this reasonably unscathed, I loath the thought of members of a particular segment getting trained up in armed and unarmed combat, financed by the state....

Believe me, this is not a good idea.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-06-2012 04:31PM

Wait for the EU to introduce a common defense policy then we'll get our conscription and much more. :pac:

Battered Mars Bar · 08-06-2012 04:31PM

Yea that should be the reason why we've child benefit in the first place to support the lower classes in producing our army :pac: Money well spent to keep the Brits out.

Dangerous Man · 08-06-2012 04:32PM

Absolutely we should have it - it helps to build character in young people. I would bet everything I own that if we had a mandatory program where teens must undergo military training for a year at age 17 or so, we'd have much, much less problems with anti-social behaviour. Other countries in Europe do this with great results.

Sleepy · 08-06-2012 04:32PM

Yeah, train the scumbags to kill people... that'll end well...

ejmaztec · 08-06-2012 04:32PM

Conscripts would have to do it for nothing because there would be no money to pay for them, and they would all die of starvation.

fianna saor · 08-06-2012 04:34PM

Shenshen wrote: »

While most people would probably get through this reasonably unscathed, I loath the thought of members of a particular segment getting trained up in armed and unarmed combat, financed by the state....

Believe me, this is not a good idea.

i can kind of read between the lines of what our saying and yes its a fair point but wouldnt it increase the discipline to some extent in that 'segment' and improve society overall

MagicMarker · 08-06-2012 04:34PM

Instead of a transition year they can all fúck off to the army for the year.

Shenshen · 08-06-2012 04:34PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Absolutely we should have it - it helps to build character in young people. I would bet everything I own that if we had a mandatory program where teens must undergo military training for a year at age 17 or so, we'd have much, much less problems with anti-social behaviour. Other countries in Europe do this with great results.

Is that why places like Germany are currently doing away with conscription then?
I've heard this nonsense plenty of times, but having grown up in a small town in Germany with a large US amry base, and a sizeable German military base not far off, I can assure you that discipline will only last as long as there's someone around to shout at them. Once that person has turned his back, the civilians are best advised to run and hide - fast.

Unavailable for Comment · 08-06-2012 04:34PM

Conscript them - Train them - Hire them out as mercenaries in Africa - Profit.

Scioch · 08-06-2012 04:34PM

I dunno, the army from what I hear is just as full of scum as anywhere else. A lot of dodgy fcukers were drafted into it in times gone by.

The few I do know who are in the army dont exactly paint it in a good light and themselves wouldnt be model citizens. I've heard stories of all sorts about peace keeping missions too.

I'm not sure how much it would change anyone's attitude.

golden lane · 08-06-2012 04:35PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Yea that should be the reason why we've child benefit in the first place to support the lower classes in producing our army :pac: Money well spent to keep the Brits out.

there wont be any left soon to keep anybody out......

never mind, us ex pats are happy......

Dravokivich · 08-06-2012 04:35PM

So you want to send the people pricking about here off somewhere else to prick about is it?

Conscription isn't something that should be taken lightly. You can't just wrap up some scumbag in a uniform, boot camp their ass and ship'em off. It takes a certain mindset to be a soldier.

Bullseye1 · 08-06-2012 04:36PM

I don't see the downside in conscription.

Shenshen · 08-06-2012 04:36PM

fianna saor wrote: »

i can kind of read between the lines of what our saying and yes its a fair point but wouldnt it increase the discipline to some extent in that 'segment' and improve society overall

Why would it?
What makes you think that a anti-socially disposed person would suddenly turn into a social one, just because they were shouted at for a few months, had to get up at ungodly hours, and learned how to gain the upper hand in a fight?

Battered Mars Bar · 08-06-2012 04:37PM

golden lane wrote: »

there wont be any left soon to keep anybody out......

never mind, us ex pats are happy......

Well logically then we raise child benefit and keep our booming export industry in full swing :pac:

Scioch · 08-06-2012 04:37PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Why would it?
What makes you think that a anti-socially disposed person would suddenly turn into a social one, just because they were shouted at for a few months, had to get up at ungodly hours, and learned how to gain the upper hand in a fight?

Movies I imagine.

megaten · 08-06-2012 04:37PM

fianna saor wrote: »

it seems that the younger generation have a lack of discipline and a poor attitude to a large extent

Every generation says that about the next one. They're not particularly undisciplined you're just old.

Children have always been nasty creatures.

fianna saor · 08-06-2012 04:38PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Why would it?
What makes you think that a anti-socially disposed person would suddenly turn into a social one, just because they were shouted at for a few months, had to get up at ungodly hours, and learned how to gain the upper hand in a fight?

eh discipline, something thats missing in a lot of anti social persons

Skid · 08-06-2012 04:39PM

fianna saor wrote: »

i know there is an argument that we dont need a lot of personnel in the forces but we could increase the likes of the peace keeping missions

Conscripting unwilling teenagers and sending them into warzones with guns to keep peace between warring factions?

Worst idea ever.

golden lane · 08-06-2012 04:39PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Well logically then we raise child benefit and keep our booming export industry in full swing :pac:

great idea......you can get a loan off us ex pats.........

Shenshen · 08-06-2012 04:39PM

LordSmeg wrote: »

Movies I imagine.

Heh. You mean those portraying soldiers as diamonds in the raw, rough guys but with a heart so full of gold it would bring a tear to your eye?
The ones the US army helps finance?
Those?

mikemac1 · 08-06-2012 04:41PM

When I'm strolling around my local town I'd prefer to see a professional solider outside my Ulster Bank instead of an ill disciplined violent skanger dressed up in a uniform and handed a Steyr

Shenshen · 08-06-2012 04:41PM

fianna saor wrote: »

eh discipline, something thats missing in a lot of anti social persons

So instead of undisciplined scum you get organised scum?
Doesn't sound such a big improvement?

MaxSteele · 08-06-2012 04:43PM

The amount of tossers and muppets I know who have signed up already ... I don't think it's as good as we may think it would be. Not that I would've minded doing it myself.

Plus, compared to the conscription in Eastern Europe .. ours would be like a trip to Fort Lucan. :rolleyes:

Scioch · 08-06-2012 04:43PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Heh. You mean those portraying soldiers as diamonds in the raw, rough guys but with a heart so full of gold it would bring a tear to your eye?
The ones the US army helps finance?
Those?

Yeah thats them. Then usually when they leave the army and go home they help old ladies and take on the local gangs with the help of their army buddies and sort the whole thing out.

Dravokivich · 08-06-2012 04:44PM

fianna saor wrote: »

eh discipline, something thats missing in a lot of anti social persons

So you suggest to make the Army a domestic social policy?

Why not investigate what leads to such social issues and address that?

Battered Mars Bar · 08-06-2012 04:44PM

golden lane wrote: »

great idea......you can get a loan off us ex pats.........

Nah you're grand, we've some bailout monies behind the sofa I think.

conscription in ireland?

would you like to see conscription in ireland 220 votes

Comments