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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Jernal wrote: »
    Well I'm a sucker for 24. Absolutely love it, but I cannot but cringe at their disaster assessments for Nuclear Reactor meltdowns in S4. I think the figure Curtis gave per reactor was 1 million dead in the first half hour. How? How!? How the!!?? :confused:

    I think with the artistic license they freely interchange nuclear bomb and nuclear reactor.

    Another one from one of those terrible resident evil films where they said that Umbrella corporation would drop a nuke on the city and then pass it off as an accident in the nuclear plant. How the actual ****?

    Jaysus.. there's a whole other thread of "misrepresentations of science in popular culture".


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Careful now... Don't want to hear a bad word about Prometheus - I'm booked in for Wednesday!

    And Resident Evil has yet to do wrong ( as long as they have Milla...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,838 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I often get annoyed by nonsense stereotypes about nuclear power in films real life.


    One of life's constant annoyances is that one has to continually remind onself that the media is controlled by scientifically illiterate, innumerate, arts graduates.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    For months I've been carefully avoiding every trailer, news report and tease for Prometheus. Did not expect to see it come up on the Hazards of Belief thread!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    The aliens are Kaiser Soze!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Fantastic use of 3D, imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ....I'm supposed to be going tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,890 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....I'm supposed to be going tonight.

    Oh, Oh !!

    Atheist and Regular poster here = Logical mind

    Logical Mind + Prometheus = :eek: :confused::confused::confused: :mad:

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    kylith wrote: »
    Fantastic use of 3D, imo
    Damned with faint praise?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Calibos wrote: »
    Oh, Oh !!

    Atheist and Regular poster here = Logical mind

    Logical Mind + Prometheus = :eek: :confused::confused::confused: :mad:

    :D


    One has to occassionally turn down the brain, or it would render various entertaining movies, books and the like unwatchable. Otherwise you'd be out the door or switching the channel everytime anyone said "light speed".

    I saw it, and it made me sufficiently happy in the pants.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    recedite wrote: »
    Damned with faint praise?
    It's always possible to find something nice to say about something. This happens to be the best I can do here.


  • Moderators Posts: 52,163 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Vatican attacks popular U.S. nun over sexuality book
    The Vatican criticized a popular American nun on Monday, saying her book on sexual ethics, including topics such as masturbation and homosexuality, contradicted Catholic teaching and must not be used by Catholic educators.

    The Vatican's doctrinal department, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, issued a stern "notification" about Sister Margaret A. Farley, a member of the Sisters of Mercy and a professor emeritus of Christian ethics at Yale University.

    The Congregation sharply criticized Farley, saying her writings manifest a "defective understanding of the objective nature of natural moral law".

    Should the Congregation not have said,"a defective understanding of Roman Catholic moral law"?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    koth wrote: »
    Should the Congregation not have said,"a defective understanding of Roman Catholic moral law"?

    Well the Vatican is never wrong Mm'kay?

    Edit : To be honest, haven't read the book but if what the article is saying is true then that nun can't really be considered a Catholic one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    "the objective nature of natural moral law"

    Good ol' objective natural moral law. It's the kind of law that makes it ok for worms to burrow inside your head and eat your eyes or ebola to exist but thinks sex is evil for some reason.


    I'm positive that if children are taught how to use logic and rationality in how they formulate their opinions this kind of **** will cease to exist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Jernal wrote: »
    Well the Vatican is never wrong Mm'kay?

    Edit : To be honest, haven't read the book but if what the article is saying is true then that nun can't really be considered a Catholic one.


    ...they really should have some sort of thing they can sign at the start and have to renew every year "I acknowledge that if I want to think for myself, come to my own conclusions and open my yapper about them, this Church is not for me".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Jernal wrote: »
    Not sure where exactly to post this in A&A. Would rather avoid that abomination of a thread.

    Did anyone else feel Prometheus was a little er pro ID and produced a Darwinian strawman? I know movies don't really need accuracy but this is one that is going to misleadingly resonate (wrongly imo) with a large audience. So yup Hazard!:pac:
    Can you elaborate further? Happy to take it to PM so as not to spoil things for those that, for some unknown reason, have not seen it yet.

    MrP


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,625 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Gbear wrote: »
    Good ol' objective natural moral law. It's the kind of law that makes it ok for worms to burrow inside your head and eat your eyes or ebola to exist but thinks sex is evil for some reason.
    And sure what could be more natural than celibate grown men.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dades wrote: »
    And sure what could be more natural than celibate grown men.
    Statistics from Dublin suggest that only 93.5% of them were celibate :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,838 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nodin wrote: »
    One has to occassionally turn down the brain, or it would render various entertaining movies, books and the like unwatchable.

    Sadly, that's true now even of many BBC4 documentaries, and that's supposed to be the 'intellectual' channel :(

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,838 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    robindch wrote: »
    Statistics from Dublin suggest that only 93.5% of them were celibate :)

    I thought that the 'heavily disputed infamous 6.5% figure' was for allegations of child rape etc. Sex with a consenting adult human (y'know, like what normal people do) isn't included in that.... which raises the question of just how celibate the celibates really are, seeing as most of the 'consenting adult priest-human' sex doesn't make the papers.


    Edit: read into 'priest-human' what you will, but afaic they aren't, by defintion, normal humans with normally functioning human emotions and desires.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    robindch wrote: »
    Statistics from Dublin suggest that only 93.5% of them were celibate :)
    Do you have a source for that? :p

    MrP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Interesting article about religious persecution of Heavy Metal fans:

    http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/158667-the-heavy-metal-witch-hunt-lives-on/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ninja900 wrote: »
    I thought that the 'heavily disputed infamous 6.5% figure' was for allegations of child rape etc. Sex with a consenting adult human (y'know, like what normal people do) isn't included in that.... which raises the question of just how celibate the celibates really are, seeing as most of the 'consenting adult priest-human' sex doesn't make the papers.
    Well, perhaps I should have said "Statistics from Dublin suggest that, at most, 93.5% of them were celibate".

    BTW, the US-based John Jay report on clerical abuse suggests that between 1950 and 2002, the rates of clerical abuse varied within individual dioceses from 3% to a truly unbelievable 24%. See page 30 in this:

    http://old.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/prev3.pdf

    Page 35 of the same report claims that for priests ordained between 1960 until 1980, the rate of subsequent suspected clerical abuse year was never less than 6%, and peaked at 12%, amongst diocesan priests ordained in 1970.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    http://www.care2.com/causes/catholic-hospital-denies-gay-man-hiv-medicine.html
    Care2 wrote:
    A Catholic hospital is being sued for denial of HIV medication to a gay man “for going against God’s will.”

    Trinitas Regional Medical Center, says Joao Simoes, admitted him last August but then denied him the medicine he needed and also would not let his sister see him. Denial of access to medicine for people living with HIV/AIDS, even for short periods, can have serious consequences for long term survival because of drug resistance. This can result from missing as few as five doses — which Simoes says he missed.

    The complaint says that after admittance he met Dr. Susan V. Borga. She asked him how he had acquired HIV and “closed the plaintiff’s file, put it down and looked at plaintiff with disgust on her face and asked, coldly, ‘Is that from sex with men?’” Three days later, he was finally permitted to ring his personal physician and learned that he had already told Borga about his medication, but he had not received any or been visited by any doctor.

    Borga had allegedly told his physician: “You must be gay, too, if you’re his doctor.” The complaint adds:
    Additionally, apparently realizing that plaintiff’s doctor had an accent, Dr. Borga exclaimed, “What, do you need a translator?” to which plaintiff’s doctor had again responded that Dr. Borga needed to give plaintiff his HIV medication.

    Dr. Borga responded to plaintiff’s doctor by stating, “This is what he gets for going against God’s will,” and hung up the phone on plaintiff’s doctor.

    American Medical Association (AMA) policy is that “physicians can conscientiously object to the treatment of a patient only in non-emergent situations” and that they “must provide alternative(s) which include a prompt and appropriate referral.”

    Principle I of the AMA Principles of Medical Ethics calls upon physicians to provide medical care with compassion and respect for human dignity and rights. Accordingly, physicians may not decline to accept patients based on their race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, or “any other basis that would constitute invidious discrimination”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    What a sh*tty thing to do. If that doesn't make her an ex-doctor I will be very surprised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,838 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That goes way beyond medical negligence, or misconduct, into the criminal realm imho.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Christian fundamentalists plan to tell "Good News" to American schoolkids. Specifically, how to legitimize genocide.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/30/christian-fundamentalists-plan-teach-genocide
    [...] The story of Saul and the Amalekites is a case in point. It's not a pretty story, and it is often used by people who don't intend to do pretty things. In the book of 1 Samuel (15:3), God said to Saul:
    1 Samuel wrote:
    "Now go, attack the Amalekites, and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."

    Saul dutifully exterminated the women, the children, the babies and all of the men – but then he spared the king. He also saved some of the tastier looking calves and lambs. God was furious with him for his failure to finish the job.

    [...]

    This fall, more than 100,000 American public school children, ranging in age from four to 12, are scheduled to receive instruction in the lessons of Saul and the Amalekites in the comfort of their own public school classrooms. The instruction, which features in the second week of a weekly "Bible study" course, will come from the Good News Club, an after-school program sponsored by a group called the Child Evangelism Fellowship (CEF). The aim of the CEF is to convert young children to a fundamentalist form of the Christian faith and recruit their peers to the club.

    There are now over 3,200 clubs in public elementary schools, up more than sevenfold since the 2001 supreme court decision, Good News Club v Milford Central School, effectively required schools to include such clubs in their after-school programing.

    [...]


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kate Echoing Tether


    but killing people in video games is WRONG and VIOLENT


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bluewolf wrote: »
    but killing people in video games is WRONG and VIOLENT



    ....true. Its nearly as bad as the sex.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    In 2006, Margaret Farley said that women should enjoy a good ****, that gay relationships were pretty much a-ok, that divorce had its benefits, as well as a few other things with which the Vatican disagrees to the extend that the Ms Farley recently received a personally-addressed bollocking from the Vatican which apparently stopped just short of silencing her:

    http://www.news.va/en/news/notification-from-the-congregation-for-the-doctrin

    Farley, btw, is from the US, and she's a nun, and the latest in what's turning into a fairly long line of nuns having their toes stood on by the Vatican's male gerontocracy.

    That said, few seem to be listening, since Farley's book has been propelled up the Amazon Best Sellers Rank, from something like 180,000 a few weeks ago to number 26 today:

    http://www.amazon.com/Just-Love-Framework-Christian-Sexual/dp/0826429246/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339167521&sr=8-1

    Go, sister!


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